Marc, appreciate the positive feedback. I'm not sure what the plans are regarding cross sales, but I'll be happy to share the details when I receive them.

MikeAI, thank you for the congratulations! :)
IMO - the smartest and most admirable thing Larry Flynt has done, and still does, is to fight for our rights to run porn companies. Certainly, none of us would be where we are without his commitment to free speech, individual rights and civil liberties. Of course, the second smartest thing he's done is to hire Ken and his crew to run his web operations. :winkwink:

Regarding who we work with...the adult net has become more political than ever these days; but everyone can be sure of FlyntDigital, CashQuest, Vivid, WebQuest and Jettis crew's integrity and stellar dedication to working fairly with everyone!

:2 cents:

baddog...if I've inspired you, than I know I've done something good today. :)

How was the Sex.com party?

I decided to not attend the Chateau Morrisette wine festival today - there's another one next month that I can go to; and I'll be sure to not stay up all night on GFY the night beforehand either. :winkwink:

R-n you have been posting the same thing since 1996. You know I always speak my mind, it has nothing to do with promotion, just calling a spade a spade.

Oh and I do not remember piggybacking on any the threads you started. When you have an annoucement, or some good news to release, I do not jump in and dog you, or piggyback. Something I have noticed you have been doing much more often to other peoples threads.

Its easy to have a low chargeback ratio when nobody uses your program becuase you only have a few sites and they dont convert for shit. All this bullshit about a few programs raising payouts considering all that has gone on is some bottom feeding bullshit and I think people will see past it. Most of it is all smoke and mirrors anyways because the programs raising payouts are going from 20-25 bucks a join when everyone esle is dropping from $40 so they will actually be close to the same now.

Those that do go up to $40 I will gladely pass you the webmaster fraud that points itself directly to the higher paying programs and then you will see what chargeback is. Its easy not to have a chargeback problem when you only do 50 signups a day

Flynt Digital, 50 sign-ups a day??? LMAO!!! - the only person you're kidding is yourself. If you can't handle your webmaster fraud, don't blame us for having things in order.

Why all the animosity, LAMike? There really is no reason to be bitter against a program that is doing well, runs a tight ship and hasn't been fucked over by the Visa/MC crackdowns - it's certainly not a secret that we've always been successful due to honest business.

The reality is that it's easy a have low charge-back ratios when you have been doing things the right way from the start.

As I posted in another thread...anyone that doesn't want to work with one of the most legitimate companies to date on the net, and if you don't want to make honest and good money, then don't promote Flynt Digital.

I do agree with Mike on the fraud aspect, get ready for the rush. I know we will be cutting some webmaster soon, ala top bucks and nasty dollars, expect others to follow.

The post wasnt directed specifically at you.. It was meant for a few companies. And yes I have sent to your sites and they didnt convert well at all for me but I'm sure others do great. The 50 signups a day was a bit of sarcasm and again not meant for you.. sorry.. lol :)
When you get into the 1000s you'll see what I mean

I'm not saying you don't have an honest business. I'm saying that you will see some more fraud coming your way by raising payouts and then you will learn what the bigger affiliate companies have to deal with.

I do however think its funny that a few companies raise payouts at a time when others are lowering. I have learned who our allies and friends are. I know people are doing it to try and get more traffic their way but I think its a bit tacky.

It really comes down to this... send program A 5000 hits and see how much money you make and send program B the same.. It comes down to the paycheck and I feel even with our lowering of payouts that we will continue to convert the way we do now if not better and our traffic will not drop much at all.

Good luck to all

Obvious that some people are trying to gain market share, why others are looking for the long term stability of the business as a whole. Even more will jump from processor to processor and play the #'s game hoping to snag traffic from those lowering payouts.

A few companies may be able to do this tricky balancing act, but IMHO the majority of people try to be heros will fall on their face and are harming the overall business long term.

1% is a tough #. We run a tight ship, we do not do 1000's of joins a day, and it is still very very tough.

Remember, Visa went from 5-2.5-1, whats next .5?

Brad... exactly!!!

Brad, thank you for sharing your concern. Our fraud department is waiting in the wings to swoop in and block those bastards the moment they start playing their games...but it really will be business as usual for us because our fraud department does a solid job in staying on top of things.

Amber, my concern was not for you guys, I know Ken runs a tight ship. I was making a general statement. When we cancel and email affilates this week for having high cb's, I can send them your way if you wish;-)

LAMike, thank you for clarifying.

Between all of the WQ programs, we've been dealing with webmaster fraud on a daily basis dating back to 1996. There is always room for improvement in every area of all of our online businesses...and of course, once you think there isn't, you may as well close up shop.

I disagree that it's "tacky" to raise payouts though. Especially when you have the honest numbers and financial stability to back it up.

I agree that it all comes down to the paycheck. If you have tried promoting us in the past and weren't successful...let's get together and work something out that'll be mutually beneficial. My ICQ is 3742113, phone 800-483-3161.

As you know, Hustler's legal eagles are a huge powerhouse and I wouldn?t be surprised if our low charge-back ratios are due in part to having Larry Flynt's attorneys behind us. Of course, we've got the best legal representation in the industry and I wonder if that has kept some of the scammers from knocking on our doors.

We will have no problem turning the tables and putting the heat directly into fraudulent webmasters laps (oh! that actually sounds kinda fun...but I won?t go there right now ;>).

Thanks again LAMike and my apologies that I misinterpreted your original post.

Right on, Brad.

LOL - NO! Please don't even whisper FD to your bad affiliates! But it would be great if you would email your good ones about us. :Graucho

We too are always addressing specific webmasters with high charge-back ratios and won't allow anyone to stay in the program that's a bad apple. But again, that is business as usual on this end.

Amber.. no worries.

Just when people have had years to raise payouts and wait til this weekend to do it just seems low to me. I can understand if you dont want to lower but raise at the same time?

Anyways.. I'm outa here.... see you all monday :)

You all sound worried thought you all look happy..

There is money for everybody!

diesel you are experienced, these shouldn't surprise you anymore :-)

LAMike, I really don't appreciate talking down to us raising payouts. We've consistently increased payouts when the numbers afforded it throughout the two years that the Flynt Digital program has been live.

To clear up the confusion, here are the exact payout increases and additions to the FD program along the way:

May 1st, 2001 - released the Flynt Digital program paying $30.00 per sign-up

September 2001 - increased to $33.00 per sign up for affiliates that sent more than 100 sign ups in any one month (on all sites combined of course)

April 2002 ? added VIP free membership option that pays $20.00 per free sign-up.

December 2002 - increased payouts as follows:
- 1 through 25 members pays out $30.00 per sign up
- 26 through 49 members pays out $33.00 per sign up
- 50 or more members pays out $35.00 per sign up

February 2003 ? added 60% plus recurring revenue share option

March 2003 - added Hustler Platinum and raised the payout on this site to $40.00 per sign-up

March 2003 ? increased Hustler Platinum revenue share from 60% to 70%

July (16th) 2003 ? increasing payout on all paid trial sites to $40.00 per sign-up

We've also run several high payout bonus days, specials, etc. but I won't bother listing all of those dates. Certainly you don't question that we know what we're doing and can afford to pay an honest $40 per sign-up.

I'm not sure why you are so against us increasing payouts, LAMike...but I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Enjoy your weekend!

Yes you did, and here is the inspiration

It is not even 3:30 here yet. Party does not start for another 3 1/2 hours. A 2 hour drive for me (each way) so I will have to start thinking about getting ready in another couple of hours.

Sorry about the wine festival, you youngsters need to learn to pace yourselves so you can do it all :winkwink:

Go Flynt Digital, you can expect traffic from me. You too CE. :)

I think FD is large enough to experience a certain level of fraud....lol...just ask our fraud dept. ;)

I have to agree with Amber, Mike, why the bitterness? I could say that I find it funny that a few programs are lowering their payouts at a time when we are raising them! Hmmmm.....

Your friends and allies are those who are also lowering payouts? That certainly doesn't leave you much wiggle room for future business. :(

I'm sorry you feel negatively towards others raising their payouts, however in our case (FD) it's far from the 'bottom feeding' scenario you have created here.

I sincerely wish you the best with your business Mike. :)

Hey mike, how come no word of you lowering payouts on the silvercash homepage? It still says:

Per Signup
Receive up to $40 any time a surfer signs up for one of our sites at no risk to you. They may sign up for a trial membership and cancel without renewing -- but you still get paid as soon as the signup occurs!

Trying to squeeze in every last webmaster you can before the bomb drops, eh? That's a good way to make friends.

`cool :thumbsup

docjohnson, our homepage reflects our current payout, once the payouts do lower our homepage will reflect that change. There's no tricks or scams going on, you think we should advertise innacurate payouts just because they're expected to change? That makes no sense to me.

If you look at our webmasters board you'll see plenty of threads discussing the upcoming changes.

I didn't say it was a scam, I said sarcasticaly it was a good way to make friends. Please don't give me the bull about you advertising inaccurrate payouts. By the time any webmaster signs up and starts to send traffic it will have been switched to $25 without their knowledge. BTW I see one tiny thread on your message board. I see no other notice, I didn't even receive a newsletter. I had to learn about this on GFY. No wonder you have to lower your payouts with practices like this.

So a better way to make friends would be to advertise $25 payouts when we currently pay $35? The advertised payouts reflect current payouts.

This is highly unlikely. If a webmaster joins today he's going to login with his new account, check the board to see what's up and learn of our upcoming payout changes. If he doesn't read the board he'll surely recieve our upcoming newsletter about it. Nobody's going to sign up and start to blindly send traffic without looking into it.

Email notices are going out within the next day or two, the payout changes were NOT effective immediately, nobody said they were. Once we decide on a date the changes will go into effect we will email all webmasters. What you learned about here on GFY is our intentions, not our official webmaster notice.

Amber - are you paying upt to $40 on all those sites or any sign up volume is $40 (are there any other stipulations)

Also I have to agree with Mike on this. Its true we are all competitors, but when a group attempts to undo some 'dumb' shit by lowering mothly rebill prices, killing free excessive cross sells and lower payouts and some sponsors come and say they are increasing payouts is doing anything but sending 'good vibes' to those programs. Those vibes get even worse if to keep these extremely high payouts they have to continue to charge over $30 per month and have 2 pre checked free cross sells.

That said, its just my opinion and you know business is business and is not a social function where we try to make friends :)

Yes, we are paying exactly $40.00 per paid trial sign-up on all of our regular membership sites - there will not be a graduated pay scale as there has been in the past. I haven't received the details yet about whether we'll be increasing payouts on the No Pop-up versions of the sites and/or on the free membership sites too. But you'll receive the specifics on Monday when we send out the payout increase details to all of our affiliates.

Marc, as you and I have discussed once before, IMO, business is business and also friendship...in that you treat everyone fairly in all of your business dealings, just like you would treat a friend.

No one is going to apologize that Flynt Digital is in a position to be able to offer $40.00 per sign-up. It's unfortunate for both webmasters and program owners alike that some companies have to lower their payouts; but Flynt Digital is certainly not to blame for that.

The "good vibes" will be revealed in our webmaster's payout checks.

I'm off to play with my children...I'll follow up on this thread tomorrow.

Have a good night ya'll.

Its everysignup, i've been using hustler platinum since it was annouced.. Converts great with my traffic, and with hustler i know im getting my wires every two weeks for sure ;) Great program Amber!

Flynt Digital doesn't have to apologize for anything... ARS is in the position to pay $40 per sign up too if we charge over $30 for a monthly rebill and offer 2 pre checked FREE cross sells on our join forms too - however, we're trying to take some corrective action :)

As far as good vibes, I wasn't speaking in terms of the vibes webmasters get. I'm still confident at our lower payouts we'll still out perform almost every program out there, paying $30, 35, 40, 45 whatever and of course the best support in the biz. Weekly payouts (direct deposit, wire, epassporte, pay pal, overnights), rewards points (still the highest valued rewards points in the game and giving 15 per sale), FREE health insurance, over 500 tours and many other things will also continue to give us a competitive advantage and give off 'good vibes'.

I'm off to watch a movie with the fam too...

Here is to friends in biz even when business is cut throat :)

that's surely true :thumbsup

NICE!!! :thumbsup

Very cool, kris242! :)

Marc, cut throat is definitely not my style...but whatever works for ya. LOL :winkwink: Seriously, pointing fingers is not how I play. We've done a lot of good business with ARS over the years. The lower payout surely is not happy-making news, but either are the new Visa regulations. To me, that's just more reason for everyone to focus on working together because we're all riding the same train. I have no doubt that you will remain competitive and that we'll continue working with ARS well into the future.

OK you Wild-N-Crazy-GFYers, I'm off to enjoy a bit of sunshine - and see about finding my religion on the jet-ski! :)

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Marc,

Thanks for the congrats!

We will probably be making some changes to how we handle cross sells. I anticipate we'll be going to 1 cross sell and we'll keep it at a lower price point. Some of this depends on what Jettis will allow, as we cross sell to other Jettis clients who will need to abide by any new Jettis policies. In fact I think we're sending some of those cross sells to you and I think you're charging 39.99 on them so that will probably have to change at some point soon ;)

The bottom line is that FlyntDigital has low chargebacks and higher than normal conversion and retetion numbers due to it's enourmous library of exclusive pics and video. We offer a great value to the surfer, great customer support, easy to cancel memberships and we have a very sharp fraud control team.

These things combined allowed us to raise payouts. The truth is we could drop both cross sells and still maintain our payouts without any problem at all.

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Mike,

We were dealing with fraud control before SilverCash existed. Thanks for your concern, but we have very good systems in place to deal with fraud. I would put our systems up against anyone......bar none.

Business is business Mike. We didn't make a decesion to get aggresive and raise payouts to make friends or to keep some of our competitors happy. We raised payouts because it was the BEST business decesion for FlyntDigital....period.

We are still good friends with most of our competitors and we work hand and hand with them on a daily basis. However, we will always compete to the best of our ability. You're a big boy and a good business person, so I'm sure you can understand that....can't you?

The truth is that FD COULD raise payouts because we focus on a HIGH QUALITY product. We have MUCH higher trial/conversion ratios and retention than most major sites....which equals more profit....which allows us to pay more. Pretty simple if you asked me......

On that note....I'm headed to the Larry Flynt Roast for the evening! Should be fun....

Damn! I thought I was the only one who received an invitation!

Ken - have a good time.. it seems like this one is going to be a good one! I'm only sorry I can't make it:-(

I am going to frame the invite though!

Uh-oh. Unforseen.

Sites with good quality, exclusive content that focus on providing a quality product can now pay more than people with 100 niche tours all leading to the same set of cookie cutter leased feeds.

How odd.

Ken, and the rest of the WEBQUEST crew congrats on being consistent, reliable, and of course forthright-

Anyone who doesn't believe that Larry is a true pioneer and an Icon for our business and free speech is definitely not in the "know"

Larry makes smart business decisions, and is very methodical in how he carefully guards his brand.

Another reason why he chose WEBQUSET to run their sites :-))

Kudo's to Hustler-

K-to-the-Bizzzzzle, thank you for the kind words! :)

And as luck would have it, Visa claims that overall US chargebacks in April of this year fell again to .05, down from .07 in 2000.

Processing is definitely an Achilles heel in this business.

Amber, if you are still up, please turn on ICQ for a sec, message left.

Hi KimmyKim, it was a pleasure meeting you. :)

Long live Larry Flynt!

The man was breaking barriers when most of us were in diapers and he'll be doing the same when we're old and back in diapers. Not only that, he's raising payouts! Show some respect for the king of porn free speech! :)

Nice sig Mr. Fiction! :thumbsup

indeed

2pac and me support Larry

:thumbsup

07/13/2003 109 2 0 2 1:54 $80.00

hustler platinum,1st page clicks

73cents/click

That's a beautiful thing, Soul_Rebel. :)

Instead of starting a new thread...I wanted to let you know that we sent out our webmaster announcement to Flynt Digital affiliates today regarding the payout increase, and the news is even better than once expected...

We've announced today that we're raising payouts as follows:
- $40 per paid trial sign-up
- 70% plus recurring revenue share
- Still paying $20 per Free sign-up.

The official announcement was sent out to our affiliates today - here it is uploaded to my server:
http://www.url4you.com/flyntdigital/40perall.html

I understand that some other companies are keeping their payouts the same and a handfull are increasing them too. This is a good thing for everyone! :)

I am not sure about Larry, but smart people should follow Ken's lead in this industry!

MikeAI...I completely agree - the smart people should follow Ken's lead. :)

So tell me about http://www.purecash.com/ - is this your new program? With your knowledge and solid experience I'm sure it'll be a huge success. Can you share any of the details...?