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Theo · 07-11-2003, 06:29 PM

Hello:
During a recent routine scan of TopBucks accounts, we noticed that your
account has an unusually high rate of credits/refunds. Regrettably,
although we have not been able to identify anything specific in the way
that you advertise or promote our sites that would contribute to a higher
than normal refund/credit rate, we cannot continue to accept your traffic,
in light of the high rate of refunds.

You will be paid for all sales made through Sunday July 13th, but the
account will be deactivated as of that day, and will not receive further
credit for sales made. Please remove all links to TopBucks sites as soon as
possible.

We apologize for the inconvenience, and regret that closing your account
has been deemed necessary. With the major credit card companies getting
more and more strict about refund, credit and chargeback thresholds,
however, we have no choice but to take preventative measures in reducing
our overall ratios.

Please contact [email protected] with any questions or concerns that you
have.

Thank you and best regards,
TopBucks Support

That's the result when you decide to advertise milfseeker

BluMedia · 07-11-2003, 06:36 PM

That sucks!

twistyneck · 07-11-2003, 06:38 PM

Of course their cookie cutter sites have nothing to do with the chargebacks, it is all your fault.

ldinternet · 07-11-2003, 06:40 PM

Rejected.... again?

TheProfessor · 07-11-2003, 06:40 PM

How were you promoting them?
Are your chargeback rates higher
than normal for other sites you promote?
Can you figure out which traffic is
your "bad" traffic then filter it out?

Swoit · 07-11-2003, 06:41 PM

*ouch*... it begins

Ray@TastyDollars · 07-11-2003, 06:42 PM

fuck me that sucks

eRock · 07-11-2003, 06:48 PM

Their SU ratio went to complete shit & now they're pullin' this crap!?

Theo · 07-11-2003, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheProfessor
How were you promoting them?
Are your chargeback rates higher
than normal for other sites you promote?
Can you figure out which traffic is
your "bad" traffic then filter it out?

well,im not an an active affiliate, near all traffic sent came from adwords. Overal 96 or 98 sales. I cannot figure what part of the traffic was bad or what my cb ratio was. I don't really care. What I see is that the math brains of TB estimated my percententage with less than 100 sales. No big deal though.

Ray@TastyDollars · 07-11-2003, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel

well,im not an an active affliate, near all traffic sent came from adwords. Overal 96 or 98 sales. I cannot figure what part of the traffic was bad or what my cb ratio was. I don't really care. What I see is that the math brains of TB estimated my percententage with less than 100 sales. No big deal though.

By "adwords" you mean Google Adwords? If you did send google traffic and they closed your acount, cant wait to see what they do with my 100% TGP traffic. Unreal!!

bigdog · 07-11-2003, 06:51 PM

if google traffic charges back a lot what hope is their for tgp traffic

JamesK · 07-11-2003, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel

well,im not an an active affiliate, near all traffic sent came from adwords. Overal 96 or 98 sales. I cannot figure what part of the traffic was bad or what my cb ratio was. I don't really care. What I see is that the math brains of TB estimated my percententage with less than 100 sales. No big deal though.

not an active affiliate and 98 sales? dude, let's be friends

JamesK · 07-11-2003, 06:53 PM

I mean, can u be not active under my referal links? would be cool

Bill8 · 07-11-2003, 06:53 PM

It's the Nasty Dollars dump all over again.

This is probably a trend, and we'll see more of it.

Theo · 07-11-2003, 06:54 PM

no no that was overall sales.

JamesK · 07-11-2003, 06:56 PM

mmkay

Swoit · 07-11-2003, 07:00 PM

Mate if you need somewhere to park your traffic till you get it sorted, hit me up and i'll get you up and running over the weekend.

We can do some pretty custom stuff with keyword tracking and reporting for you.

Steve

eRock · 07-11-2003, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ray

If you did send google traffic and they closed your acount, cant wait to see what they do with my 100% TGP traffic. Unreal!!

Exactly!

Juicy D. Links · 07-11-2003, 07:04 PM

Googleguy is an tranny

DTK · 07-11-2003, 07:05 PM

Topbucks lost an honest affiliate

Ray@TastyDollars · 07-11-2003, 07:06 PM

How many webmaster you ASSume TB will lose due to this tread?
Closing honest webmaster accounts sucks!! That is so fucked up, Instead of shutting you down , why dont did just switch your account to partnership? Whould be less of a dramatic blow.

FlyingIguana · 07-11-2003, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ray
How many webmaster you ASSume TB will lose due to this tread?
Closing honest webmaster accounts sucks!! That is so fucked up, Instead of shutting you down , why dont did just switch your account to partnership? Whould be less of a dramatic blow.

they can pick and choose who they work with. at least they're paying him up to now and telling him to stop sending traffic. it sux, but they have to make money too

BluMedia · 07-11-2003, 07:12 PM

Everyone is losing their minds. Now honest webmasters are being terminated. We would never terminated a webmaster that has been with us for awhile for something so ridiculous. Why didn't they give you a warning or something like that these visa limits are not even in effect yet.

Mark

basschick · 07-11-2003, 07:13 PM

switching people with high chargeback rates to partner won't really solve the problem... either way the program will have a higher percentage of chargebacks, and there will be fines and finally the program will be shut down entirely.

btw, google guys are a lot smarter and more cautious than other surfers... they always unclick our clicked cross sale boxes and cancel the second they join. we do better with other search engine traffic or regular adult traffic than with google as far as those things go.

Drake · 07-11-2003, 07:20 PM

I wonder if this is the beginnings of a larger trend to come.

DaLord · 07-11-2003, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by juicylinks
Googleguy is an tranny

I didn't know that... oh well, you live and learn...

Lickshots · 07-11-2003, 07:27 PM

They closed my account a few days ago too. I see their emails are generic as hell. I've been an active webmaster w/ them over the past year and they were becoming my best sponsor in terms of sales. Hell if it wasn't for them, I wouldn't have gotten my new car. But oh well, if they wanna start cancelling accounts because of the new regulations and not coming up with better solutions for the issue then so be it. I just find it pretty shady not to give anyone a warning or at least recommending other alternatives. Sooner or later all webmasters in their program will be on that list of high chargebacks.

Ray@TastyDollars · 07-11-2003, 07:30 PM

Sumtin smells fishy

SetTheWorldonFire · 07-11-2003, 07:33 PM

Just got my email

Tuzz · 07-11-2003, 07:34 PM

They're already running scared, and willing to kill anything
in their path...

Hooper · 07-11-2003, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Everyone is losing their minds. Now honest webmasters are being terminated. We would never terminated a webmaster that has been with us for awhile for something so ridiculous.

Bottom feeder. At least have the balls to just spam your shitty sites rather than sitting here hoping that your negativity will attract webmasters.

inthestars · 07-11-2003, 07:36 PM

I thought I was the only one whose TB sign up ratios went to shit all of a sudden ... 1:4107.. what the fuck?

BlackCrayon · 07-11-2003, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ray
How many webmaster you ASSume TB will lose due to this tread?
Closing honest webmaster accounts sucks!! That is so fucked up, Instead of shutting you down , why dont did just switch your account to partnership? Whould be less of a dramatic blow.

i would imagine webmasters will avoid programs like the plague who terminate their honest webmasters. very bad publicity... if they are going to start doing that they should show chargebacks/refunds in the stats so webmasters can realize they are doing something wrong, or that the site they are advertising, blows

BlackCrayon · 07-11-2003, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by inthestars
I thought I was the only one whose TB sign up ratios went to shit all of a sudden ... 1:4107.. what the fuck?

i think processors are scrubbing like a motherfucker, my ratios seem to have doubled across all my sponsors for no apparent reason.

Ray@TastyDollars · 07-11-2003, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SetTheWorldonFire
Just got my email

No shit?

Manga1 · 07-11-2003, 07:48 PM

Wow, big loss for Topbucks cancelling Soul_Rebel. I've known Soul for a long time and done a lot of business with him and he is one of the most honest webmasters around. He also has a ton of kickass SE traffic. If that traffic isn't good enough for Topbucks then I don't know what is. Talk about a knee jerk reaction!

BluMedia · 07-11-2003, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper

Bottom feeder. At least have the balls to just spam your shitty sites rather than sitting here hoping that your negativity will attract webmasters.

Ok I will. Soul Rebel sorry to hear about TopBucks. Give IntenseCash a try. We won't ban you for fucking bullshit and we convert better than TopBucks.

Mark

Jake · 07-11-2003, 07:58 PM

If any of you guys are looking for a place to send your traffic where your account won't be cancelled for some bullshit reason just check sig!

Mr.Fiction · 07-11-2003, 07:59 PM

Damn.

BradShaw · 07-11-2003, 08:02 PM

You are going to see alot more of this. Also, you are going to see processors stop taking new transactions from certain affiliates.

Theo · 07-11-2003, 08:37 PM

thanks manga, i made this thread to point a wrong business decision according to me. I didn't mind getting termed this way from TB since their program lost value from me long time ago. I see I'm not the only one on this. It's up to them to decide with who they want to do business.

Brad,what's the standard shaving of the industry? 30% ? Who knows, under certain circumstances my account would have a different cb %.

It's my belief that some sponsors got scared a lot with the new visa rules and without research started taking decisions.

Some of them were pulling a lot of shits and now they are puzzled. In less than a month things will be clear again and then we'll notice if poor business decisions affect your business in a serious degree or not.

BradShaw · 07-11-2003, 08:40 PM

Soul_Rebel, I am sure some sponsors shave, could not tell you who as I am too busy doing biz with people I know. I try to do business with trusted companies that I know such as ARS, Max Cash, Top Bucks, Plat Bucks, etc etc.

lets just say for arguments sake that you sent top bucks 100 joins, and 10 of those chargebacked. Can you blame them for canning your account for having a 10% ratio? They have to get under 1%, as we all do.

Theo · 07-11-2003, 08:49 PM

Brad, i understand,that's why i said who knows.

I don't know,it's the 2nd time i get terminated for cb issue. Few months ago I received a similar email because it happened my 1st sale on a sponsor to be a potential chargeback. They weren't even sure if it was fraudulent transaction when they sent me the email. My account after some emails was reactivated though.

Maybe i'm a high risk webmaster.

kronic · 07-11-2003, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradShaw
lets just say for arguments sake that you sent top bucks 100 joins, and 10 of those chargebacked. Can you blame them for canning your account for having a 10% ratio? They have to get under 1%, as we all do.

Interesting. I would think if the sponsor is getting chargedback 10% of the time, they need to look at themselves as opposed to the webmaster who's sending them the traffic.

UNLESS, that webmaster is blatently lying to get them that traffic.

Webmasters don't control what's inside a members area. We're only responsible for sending them as far as their tour.

Playboy · 07-11-2003, 09:30 PM

Yup its an awful shame when they cut the honest webmasters and then you see someone spamming the same program in your email box

I got a similair letter from FLASHCASH recently but they didnt pay me any of the money they owed me. ( i bet the owner is having a vacation on all of our money ).

if you promote www.flashcash.com or www.offshoreclicks.com dont be suprised to wake up one day and find all your money stolen by the owners.

chowda · 07-11-2003, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
Brad, i understand,that's why i said who knows.

I don't know,it's the 2nd time i get terminated for cb issue. Few months ago I received a similar email because it happened my 1st sale on a sponsor to be a potential chargeback. They weren't even sure if it was fraudulent transaction when they sent me the email. My account after some emails was reactivated though.

Maybe i'm a high risk webmaster.

this is the second time a program did that to u.. whats going on with ur signups man!

archer · 07-11-2003, 10:13 PM

i've always like topbucks...their sites do well.

i guess we'll all to live with the 'fear' of getting those letters for the next little while.

Ray@TastyDollars · 07-11-2003, 10:16 PM

Intersting how most program owners blame the webmaster for high charge backs. Maybe if the sponsor would actually have content worth 30bucks a month they'd get less charge backs.
Maybe

Some sponsors have given me access to their members area(not TobBucks, never seen their members area) and 90% of them I would not join for 10bucks a month. I have some AVS sites with better content than some of the crap ive seen, lol. Everyone has the same crappy feeds, "Join now. get access to 50,000 movies" LOL gimme a fucking break!! You want less charge backs? Try having some origional content, quality content, contant that the horny surfer can actually get off on.

Note to all program owners: STOP CRYING AND GO UPDATE YOUR MEMBERS AREA.

SKULL · 07-11-2003, 10:22 PM

They did this to me about a year ago... at least you are getting paid... I didn't get paid some of the moneys...

Pornwolf · 07-11-2003, 10:26 PM

Blame it on Tupac. You are sending too much 'thug traffic' that likes to chargeback.

07-11-2003, 06:29 PM	#1
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	thanks topbucks and visa Hello: During a recent routine scan of TopBucks accounts, we noticed that your account has an unusually high rate of credits/refunds. Regrettably, although we have not been able to identify anything specific in the way that you advertise or promote our sites that would contribute to a higher than normal refund/credit rate, we cannot continue to accept your traffic, in light of the high rate of refunds. You will be paid for all sales made through Sunday July 13th, but the account will be deactivated as of that day, and will not receive further credit for sales made. Please remove all links to TopBucks sites as soon as possible. We apologize for the inconvenience, and regret that closing your account has been deemed necessary. With the major credit card companies getting more and more strict about refund, credit and chargeback thresholds, however, we have no choice but to take preventative measures in reducing our overall ratios. Please contact [email protected] with any questions or concerns that you have. Thank you and best regards, TopBucks Support That's the result when you decide to advertise milfseeker

07-11-2003, 06:36 PM	#2
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07-11-2003, 06:40 PM	#5
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07-11-2003, 06:41 PM	#6
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07-11-2003, 06:42 PM	#7
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07-11-2003, 06:38 PM	#3
twistyneck So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hanging by the neck until dead. Posts: 4,660	Of course their cookie cutter sites have nothing to do with the chargebacks, it is all your fault.

07-11-2003, 06:40 PM	#4
ldinternet Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 8,245	Rejected.... again?

07-11-2003, 06:48 PM	#8
eRock Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Chi-town Posts: 3,112	Their SU ratio went to complete shit & now they're pullin' this crap!? __________________ Swiftwill Hosting

07-11-2003, 06:51 PM	#11
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	if google traffic charges back a lot what hope is their for tgp traffic

07-11-2003, 06:53 PM	#13
JamesK hi Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 16,731	I mean, can u be not active under my referal links? would be cool __________________ M3Server - NATS Hosting

07-11-2003, 06:53 PM	#14
Bill8 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,901	It's the Nasty Dollars dump all over again. This is probably a trend, and we'll see more of it.

07-11-2003, 06:54 PM	#15
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	no no that was overall sales.

07-11-2003, 06:56 PM	#16
JamesK hi Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 16,731	mmkay __________________ M3Server - NATS Hosting

07-11-2003, 07:00 PM	#17
Swoit Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: www.Swoit.com Posts: 256	Mate if you need somewhere to park your traffic till you get it sorted, hit me up and i'll get you up and running over the weekend. We can do some pretty custom stuff with keyword tracking and reporting for you. Steve __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

07-11-2003, 07:04 PM	#19
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	Googleguy is an tranny

07-11-2003, 07:05 PM	#20
DTK Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The 510 Posts: 4,545	Topbucks lost an honest affiliate

07-11-2003, 07:06 PM	#21
Ray@TastyDollars www.TastyDollars.com Join Date: May 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 6,797	How many webmaster you ASSume TB will lose due to this tread? Closing honest webmaster accounts sucks!! That is so fucked up, Instead of shutting you down , why dont did just switch your account to partnership? Whould be less of a dramatic blow. __________________ The nets best interracial and cuckold site The nets hottest teen site ICQ me: 161 375 873

07-11-2003, 07:12 PM	#23
BluMedia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,973	Everyone is losing their minds. Now honest webmasters are being terminated. We would never terminated a webmaster that has been with us for awhile for something so ridiculous. Why didn't they give you a warning or something like that these visa limits are not even in effect yet. Mark __________________ IntenseCash - If you can't convert us then you might want to look for a new job . BrokeStraightBoys.com converting 1:124 stats counted by Nats

07-11-2003, 07:13 PM	#24
basschick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: el lay, ca usa Posts: 2,540	switching people with high chargeback rates to partner won't really solve the problem... either way the program will have a higher percentage of chargebacks, and there will be fines and finally the program will be shut down entirely. btw, google guys are a lot smarter and more cautious than other surfers... they always unclick our clicked cross sale boxes and cancel the second they join. we do better with other search engine traffic or regular adult traffic than with google as far as those things go.

07-11-2003, 07:20 PM	#25
Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	I wonder if this is the beginnings of a larger trend to come.

07-11-2003, 07:27 PM	#27
Lickshots Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: FTL Posts: 271	They closed my account a few days ago too. I see their emails are generic as hell. I've been an active webmaster w/ them over the past year and they were becoming my best sponsor in terms of sales. Hell if it wasn't for them, I wouldn't have gotten my new car. But oh well, if they wanna start cancelling accounts because of the new regulations and not coming up with better solutions for the issue then so be it. I just find it pretty shady not to give anyone a warning or at least recommending other alternatives. Sooner or later all webmasters in their program will be on that list of high chargebacks.

07-11-2003, 07:30 PM	#28
Ray@TastyDollars www.TastyDollars.com Join Date: May 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 6,797	Sumtin smells fishy __________________ The nets best interracial and cuckold site The nets hottest teen site ICQ me: 161 375 873

07-11-2003, 07:33 PM	#29
SetTheWorldonFire Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: California Posts: 7,444	Just got my email __________________ www.STWOFDesign.com hit me up on icq 154206276 or Skype: JaimeGizzle

07-11-2003, 07:34 PM	#30
Tuzz Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sunny Florida Posts: 171	They're already running scared, and willing to kill anything in their path...

07-11-2003, 07:36 PM	#32
inthestars Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 2,021	I thought I was the only one whose TB sign up ratios went to shit all of a sudden ... 1:4107.. what the fuck?

07-11-2003, 07:48 PM	#36
Manga1 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Malakiaville Posts: 952	Wow, big loss for Topbucks cancelling Soul_Rebel. I've known Soul for a long time and done a lot of business with him and he is one of the most honest webmasters around. He also has a ton of kickass SE traffic. If that traffic isn't good enough for Topbucks then I don't know what is. Talk about a knee jerk reaction!

07-11-2003, 07:58 PM	#38
Jake Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: CO, US Posts: 3,056	If any of you guys are looking for a place to send your traffic where your account won't be cancelled for some bullshit reason just check sig! __________________

07-11-2003, 07:59 PM	#39
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Damn.

07-11-2003, 08:02 PM	#40
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	You are going to see alot more of this. Also, you are going to see processors stop taking new transactions from certain affiliates. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

07-11-2003, 08:37 PM	#41
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	thanks manga, i made this thread to point a wrong business decision according to me. I didn't mind getting termed this way from TB since their program lost value from me long time ago. I see I'm not the only one on this. It's up to them to decide with who they want to do business. Brad,what's the standard shaving of the industry? 30% ? Who knows, under certain circumstances my account would have a different cb %. It's my belief that some sponsors got scared a lot with the new visa rules and without research started taking decisions. Some of them were pulling a lot of shits and now they are puzzled. In less than a month things will be clear again and then we'll notice if poor business decisions affect your business in a serious degree or not.

07-11-2003, 08:40 PM	#42
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	Soul_Rebel, I am sure some sponsors shave, could not tell you who as I am too busy doing biz with people I know. I try to do business with trusted companies that I know such as ARS, Max Cash, Top Bucks, Plat Bucks, etc etc. lets just say for arguments sake that you sent top bucks 100 joins, and 10 of those chargebacked. Can you blame them for canning your account for having a 10% ratio? They have to get under 1%, as we all do. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

07-11-2003, 08:49 PM	#43
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Brad, i understand,that's why i said who knows. I don't know,it's the 2nd time i get terminated for cb issue. Few months ago I received a similar email because it happened my 1st sale on a sponsor to be a potential chargeback. They weren't even sure if it was fraudulent transaction when they sent me the email. My account after some emails was reactivated though. Maybe i'm a high risk webmaster.

07-11-2003, 09:30 PM	#45
Playboy GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: The Mansion Posts: 83,746,324	Yup its an awful shame when they cut the honest webmasters and then you see someone spamming the same program in your email box I got a similair letter from FLASHCASH recently but they didnt pay me any of the money they owed me. ( i bet the owner is having a vacation on all of our money ). if you promote www.flashcash.com or www.offshoreclicks.com dont be suprised to wake up one day and find all your money stolen by the owners.

07-11-2003, 10:13 PM	#47
archer Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,721	i've always like topbucks...their sites do well. i guess we'll all to live with the 'fear' of getting those letters for the next little while. __________________ Looking to promote uncut cock? Check out Uncut Cash. It rocks.

07-11-2003, 10:16 PM	#48
Ray@TastyDollars www.TastyDollars.com Join Date: May 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 6,797	Intersting how most program owners blame the webmaster for high charge backs. Maybe if the sponsor would actually have content worth 30bucks a month they'd get less charge backs. Maybe Some sponsors have given me access to their members area(not TobBucks, never seen their members area) and 90% of them I would not join for 10bucks a month. I have some AVS sites with better content than some of the crap ive seen, lol. Everyone has the same crappy feeds, "Join now. get access to 50,000 movies" LOL gimme a fucking break!! You want less charge backs? Try having some origional content, quality content, contant that the horny surfer can actually get off on. Note to all program owners: STOP CRYING AND GO UPDATE YOUR MEMBERS AREA. __________________ The nets best interracial and cuckold site The nets hottest teen site ICQ me: 161 375 873