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bigdog · 07-10-2003, 06:04 PM

Since all sponsers will be lowering payouts and there will be basically no more free trials Won't the payouts on join4free type sites be cut in half?

BossHawg · 07-10-2003, 07:35 PM

Not cut in half, but payouts will obviously have to be lowered as the revenue we have just been earning via sponsors will be cut by 20% minimum when these new payotus go into effect...

bigdog · 07-10-2003, 07:41 PM

i know you guys and some others rely heavily on ifriend sales do you think they will be lowering their payouts

BossHawg · 07-10-2003, 07:50 PM

Dont know if they will or not..Only time will tell..Ifriends does make up a good portion but still they are only a PIECE of our revenue stream..The rest is all the other PPS sponsors..

With them dropping payouts our revenue is down 20% right off the top

Also the fact that our ezines stress "FREE" so much FREE trials conveert a lot better on our traffic and that will be done away with as well, so our total signups will be even lower..

I haven't determined what the cost per email will be but it will NOT be $1 anymore after these major companies drop their PPS rates ..I wish I could keep paying it but it just isnt feasible

BossHawg · 07-10-2003, 07:52 PM

Any other 4free programs have any comment on this?

Might as well step up to the plate and prepare webmasters now of the inevitable IMO

Emails just aint worth $1 after these new VISA changes!

triumph · 07-10-2003, 07:54 PM

BossHawg, what do you think the payout and structure will be with LoverCash?

BTW I think even if freeezine pays out .75cents it is still a hot program.

BossHawg · 07-10-2003, 07:58 PM

LoverCash we will most likely raise payouts

It will be converted to a paid trial program with the trial being anywhere from $1 to $4.95..havent determined the billing model on the trials yet..

Payouts will be in the 30-40 range I THINK...gonna run some more numbers tomorrow on this

Should have an announcement about all our programs soon though in regards to payout changes (FEB, FTC, HC, and LC)

12clicks · 07-11-2003, 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by BossHawg
Dont know if they will or not..Only time will tell..Ifriends does make up a good portion but still they are only a PIECE of our revenue stream..The rest is all the other PPS sponsors..

With them dropping payouts our revenue is down 20% right off the top Also the fact that our ezines stress "FREE" so much FREE trials conveert a lot better on our traffic and that will be done away with as well, so our total signups will be even lower..

I haven't determined what the cost per email will be but it will NOT be $1 anymore after these major companies drop their PPS rates ..I wish I could keep paying it but it just isnt feasible

BossHawg, I reached into my hat today and pulled your name out.
How about I make you some money?

Hit me up on icq #15600219
or email me at [email protected]

bigdog · 07-11-2003, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

BossHawg, I reached into my hat today and pulled your name out.
How about I make you some money?
Hit me up on icq #15600219
or email me at [email protected]

lol

Moose · 07-11-2003, 12:29 PM

This is going to affect alot of things down the line..all the free site traffic genrators. Thing that might be affected like hun spots dropping in price? Spotbrokers,Chocker etc... Where will it all end up.

Nothing will stop this business but we are in for a ride , a ride that started a couple years ago gettng bumpy.

I do remember though when i first got into the business free trials had just been "stopped" as well and everyone was crying the "game is over" blah blah and here we are years later with free trials again. So it is a constant change that you have to roll with.

FabianC · 07-11-2003, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by BossHawg
Any other 4free programs have any comment on this?

Might as well step up to the plate and prepare webmasters now of the inevitable IMO

Emails just aint worth $1 after these new VISA changes!

CECash will NOT be lowering any payouts!

CEMag and XXXAllAccessPass continue to pay the highest payout available for any email program!!

CEMag pays $1.50 per confirmed email, $15 per upsell, $5 per outside upsell, and 50% of all dialer revenue!!

XXXAllAccessPass pays $1.30 per confirmed email, no deductions, $15 per upsell and 50% of all dialer revenue!!

So, webmasters looking to make the most money with their traffic, hit me up - [email protected] -or- ICQ @ 99523787

flashfire · 07-11-2003, 02:24 PM

Good to hear CE!

easyfun · 07-11-2003, 02:30 PM

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Nothing will stop this business but we are in for a ride , a ride that started a couple years ago gettng bumpy.

I started in 1996 - Free trials then were from CE Cash - But they were not free trials - A surfer joined and was billed for a month, but had 5 weeks access - I tried out the system, and when I tried to cancel was told by the billing company "I had to pay for one month" (DMR I think)

In another thread today, ce state that paid trials are exploited by corrupt webmasters. I questioned this by stating surely this can happen with free trials.

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The same does not apply - why would a Webmaster use their own credit card to be charged $49.95 to make $55 - there is no economy there. Furthermore, long ago CECash installed fraud protection filters to pick up this type of abuse.

Surely, a free trial costs the surfer ) and a paid trial costs the surfer the cost of a paid trial -

He is clearly stating a trial (free or paid) is going to result in a $49.95 charge to the surfer.

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Furthermore, long ago CECash installed fraud protection filters to pick up this type of abuse

Which, of course, defeats there own argument.

flashfire · 07-11-2003, 02:41 PM

Hey Bosshawg what does this mean for FEB ver 2? Lower payouts now instead of higher ones I expected...I love your programs but CE is already paying 50 cents more (with deductions I know) but if you guys slip under $1 dollar my PPC traffic wont make a profit so I'll have to move it over.

BossHawg · 07-11-2003, 02:47 PM

flashfire..I have yet to make a final decision. Gonna see how everything plays out and see how our revenue goes on the first few days after paysite programs drop payouts and see our margins...

Cant promise anything but I CAN say unfortunately due to what happen with VISA FEB v2 will not have higher payouts

This was out of my hands as we were fully prepared to pay 1.10-1.15 before any of this happened! I will email our webmasters when we decide on what changes, if any, we will make!

07-11-2003, 12:29 PM	#10
Moose Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Here Posts: 1,548	This is going to affect alot of things down the line..all the free site traffic genrators. Thing that might be affected like hun spots dropping in price? Spotbrokers,Chocker etc... Where will it all end up. Nothing will stop this business but we are in for a ride , a ride that started a couple years ago gettng bumpy. I do remember though when i first got into the business free trials had just been "stopped" as well and everyone was crying the "game is over" blah blah and here we are years later with free trials again. So it is a constant change that you have to roll with. Last edited by Moose; 07-11-2003 at 12:31 PM..

07-10-2003, 06:04 PM	#1
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	4free sites and visa Since all sponsers will be lowering payouts and there will be basically no more free trials Won't the payouts on join4free type sites be cut in half?

07-10-2003, 07:35 PM	#2
BossHawg Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 549	Not cut in half, but payouts will obviously have to be lowered as the revenue we have just been earning via sponsors will be cut by 20% minimum when these new payotus go into effect...

07-10-2003, 07:41 PM	#3
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	i know you guys and some others rely heavily on ifriend sales do you think they will be lowering their payouts

07-10-2003, 07:50 PM	#4
BossHawg Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 549	Dont know if they will or not..Only time will tell..Ifriends does make up a good portion but still they are only a PIECE of our revenue stream..The rest is all the other PPS sponsors.. With them dropping payouts our revenue is down 20% right off the top Also the fact that our ezines stress "FREE" so much FREE trials conveert a lot better on our traffic and that will be done away with as well, so our total signups will be even lower.. I haven't determined what the cost per email will be but it will NOT be $1 anymore after these major companies drop their PPS rates ..I wish I could keep paying it but it just isnt feasible

07-10-2003, 07:52 PM	#5
BossHawg Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 549	Any other 4free programs have any comment on this? Might as well step up to the plate and prepare webmasters now of the inevitable IMO Emails just aint worth $1 after these new VISA changes!

07-10-2003, 07:54 PM	#6
triumph Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,433	BossHawg, what do you think the payout and structure will be with LoverCash? BTW I think even if freeezine pays out .75cents it is still a hot program.

07-10-2003, 07:58 PM	#7
BossHawg Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 549	LoverCash we will most likely raise payouts It will be converted to a paid trial program with the trial being anywhere from $1 to $4.95..havent determined the billing model on the trials yet.. Payouts will be in the 30-40 range I THINK...gonna run some more numbers tomorrow on this Should have an announcement about all our programs soon though in regards to payout changes (FEB, FTC, HC, and LC)

07-11-2003, 02:24 PM	#12
flashfire ICQ 1 6 7 8 5 3 4 9 2 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 13,098	Good to hear CE!

07-11-2003, 02:41 PM	#14
flashfire ICQ 1 6 7 8 5 3 4 9 2 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 13,098	Hey Bosshawg what does this mean for FEB ver 2? Lower payouts now instead of higher ones I expected...I love your programs but CE is already paying 50 cents more (with deductions I know) but if you guys slip under $1 dollar my PPC traffic wont make a profit so I'll have to move it over.

07-11-2003, 02:47 PM	#15
BossHawg Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 549	flashfire..I have yet to make a final decision. Gonna see how everything plays out and see how our revenue goes on the first few days after paysite programs drop payouts and see our margins... Cant promise anything but I CAN say unfortunately due to what happen with VISA FEB v2 will not have higher payouts This was out of my hands as we were fully prepared to pay 1.10-1.15 before any of this happened! I will email our webmasters when we decide on what changes, if any, we will make!