:1orglaugh I must agree:thumbsup

Speaking of which, not exactly an "underdog" but definitely running a tight ship :)

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Here Here, I stand up say You's right. With my main sponsor, there use to be like 15 companies 5 big ones doing what he does, now there are like 40 and 15 big ones, At least people still stay for an un-believable long time as memebers thank the Internet god's that hasn't changed. But it's like 10 times harder just to get the surfer to the dam site. I'm at 1/120 and have been for years. To top it off the guy that owns it really worries and doesn't want anyone to think he's a cheat great person. It's a real joy to chat with him ever so often on ICQ. I dam sure can't say the same thing about most of the pay site owners I've seen on this board, just two, off the top off my head
the owner of FTV and that Goth'e guy. :Graucho

"This will level the field for those smaller sponsors who have been running a tight ship since the ghetgo and can afford to keep up the payments. I know I'll be sending much more traffic to them."

We're right over here: :)

Nah. It wont level the playing field. The playing field will always be in favor of the guy with the most money.

Mom & Pop might run one good site and they might have even sprung for a few good banner ads.

It's unlikely they are going to have full time design staff, full time support staff, full time content management staff, all there just to make conversions and retention that much better.

That's just my rant though.

To compete effectively you need to have 400k plus in cash.

this thread sounds like whineing to me, who gives a fuck.. theres still programs that pay 50, 40, etc.

How many of those ma and pa sites that you say are "making a killing" pay $35 per trial signup?

How many of the people whining about the lower payouts send traffic to the ma and pa sites? NONE of them....the ma and pa sites are partnerships and none of the partnership programs have lowered payouts, they still pay 50-60% of the membership fees.

Understood Lenny...but a better question is, why would they want to???

Some have all the traffic they need generated inhouse, so why even involve webmasters? Why give up $35 bucks when you don't need to, and take home all the profits? And the ones that do, webmasters are hand selected.

Sure there are plenty of operations out there like that.

But what do they have to do with this discussion?

Because of the biggest myth in this industry which is "we don't have enough to pay-out webmasters and meet their demands, without ass pounding the surfer with triple cross sells and hundreds of popups."

Nothing more, just simple statement Lenny. All these people talking about longevity all of a sudden...it's humorous.

But, then again, that's why different business models exists.

The only affiliates that are going to be concerned about their sponsors lowering payouts are guys that have been sending a lot of steady signups to the same sponsor for awhile, and will see an instant drop in income once the payouts are lowered. Guys like that have a legitimate concern in asking if their sponsor is planning to lower their payouts.


The ONLY reason I started a thread to ask about which sponsors might be lowering their payouts is because I looked around earlier today and saw a lot of webmasters talking about it, but I couldn't find any official news from any actual sponsors as to who would be doing it (or not), so I wanted to know if any of it was substantiated or not. I did not start the thread in order to cast anyone in a negative light or that I intend to *drop* any sponsors that are going to lower payouts.


Fact is, in choosing which paysites to promote, I have and always will base my decisions on whether or not I can convert them with my traffic, NOT whether they pay $25 or $40 per signup. Forty bucks per signup means fuck all if you only get 1 signup a month with them. If I can get 10 signups on the $25 program with the same amount of traffic I will take the lower payout any time.

Makes sense

Well said :thumbsup

That same reasoning is why I send over 80% of my traffic to partnership programs.

I agree as well, this may not be the truth 100% of the time, more like 90-95% :)

i agree. problem is, maybe more noobs will start to look elsewhere instead of the larger programs. meaning the smaller ones start to get saturated.