Opt-In email debate... this is what I got... - GoFuckYourself.com

StuartD · 07-07-2003, 12:06 PM

I got a random icq person... started chattin me up... got interesting. I thought I'd share.
Now, as I stated... I have nothing against other people who do this "opt-in email trading" thing... but I just personally don't. But this guy.. well, he took it personally.

PS. The last line is the best

Session Start (ICQ - 5636347:Boselecta): Mon Jul 07 10:58:19 2003
[10:58] Boselecta: hi
[10:58] StuartD: Hey
[10:58] Boselecta: What biz are you in?
[10:59] StuartD: I run an adult webmaster resource site.
[10:59] Boselecta: Oh yeah
[11:00] Boselecta: Got any Adult opt-ins for sale?
[11:00] StuartD: Nope... I've never collected any emails. I prefer to stay away from spam of any type
[11:00] Boselecta: Opt-in I said
[11:01] StuartD: Heh.. yeah, I know... but if I sell you an optin list, it's no longer optin.. it's spam... since they never opted in to anything you have.
[11:02] Boselecta: Well if it has ip stamps its opt-in.
[11:02] StuartD: Yeah but.. they didn't opt-in to you in any way... you buy the list. So if they didn't opt-in.. then.... it's not an opt-in list anymore.
[11:03] Boselecta: But its targeted
[11:03] StuartD: It's still spam.
[11:04] Boselecta: I wouldn't say so
[11:04] StuartD: Well... you're emailing people who never asked to be emailed by you.
[11:04] StuartD: That's kinda the definition of spam.
[11:04] Boselecta: But there interested in online porn though
[11:06] Boselecta: Dude If your gonna moan/complain about spam go join some organisation
[11:06] StuartD: Who's moaning and complaining?
[11:07] Boselecta: If people wanna spam thats there business
[11:07] StuartD: Yes... so go ahead and do it.
[11:07] StuartD: but you can't tell me that taking me list and emailing everyone on it isn't spamming it.
[11:08] Boselecta: You read to many nbc articles
[11:08] StuartD: tr.v. spammed, spam·ming, spams

1. To send unsolicited e-mail to.
2. To send (a message) indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups.

[11:09] Boselecta: Not a crime
[11:09] StuartD: uh huh... so why are you arguing so viamently that what you're doing isn't spamming?
[11:10] Boselecta: Dude stop crying jesus christ - sending a product/service to a targeted list isn't spamming
[11:10] Boselecta: Called opt-in mailing
[11:11] StuartD: selling something by email to a bunch of people who never asked you to email them at all... is spam.
[11:11] Boselecta: Its not the end of the world, dude
[11:11] StuartD: And I'm not crying... did you think that your teachers were crying because they were trying to teach you something too?
[11:11] Boselecta: I couldn't care less about spam
[11:12] StuartD: No, it's not the end of hte world... I have no problem with other people spamming.. by all means. But like I said... I don't share my lists for such a thing.
[11:12] StuartD: You couldn't... but millions of people do hate spam.
[11:12] Boselecta: I do care about targeted opt-in lists
[11:13] Boselecta: If people make money out of spam then well done to them - obviously they have a good business mind.
[11:13] StuartD: Yep...
[11:13] StuartD: I agree.
[11:13] StuartD: no ethics really.
[11:13] StuartD: but do good business.
[11:14] Boselecta: IF your in the email marketing business and you get a good Adult or Gambling list, that could mean a new Benz or house.
[11:14] StuartD: Still doesn't improve your code of ethics. You still emailed a whole lot of people who never asked to be emailed.
[11:15] Boselecta: ethics doesn't come into email marketing
[11:15] StuartD: It's like pissing off 10,000 people to make one person buy something so you can get a Benz... to me, that's not the best way to make me happy.
[11:16] StuartD: spamming millions of people with stuff that they didn't ask for or don't want so you can get a house... that has a lot to do with ethics.
[11:17] Boselecta: So I sent out a 100k Gambling list last month - made 200k in deposits - now I really did piss those people off didn't I.
[11:17] StuartD: how many of those 100k didn't give you any money?
[11:17] Boselecta: More of a question of how many opted out
[11:18] StuartD: yeah... how many of those, and how many didn't buy? Put those together and you have your number of pissed off people.
[11:18] Boselecta: But the main thing is you can mail an Adult opt-in list 2/3 times and make a killing regardless

[11:19] Boselecta: Sure they were pissed off?
[11:19] StuartD: No, because why would they write articles in nbc?
[11:19] Boselecta: about spam
[11:20] StuartD: Yes... your spam.
[11:20] Boselecta: you probably read to many papers aswell about it
[11:20] StuartD: you send emails to people that have never wanted you to have their email list.. you're spamming them.
[11:21] StuartD: Go make your money... I'm sure you've bought plenty of Benz's and houses to be crying to me all this time...
[11:21] StuartD: shoo... go bug someone else.
[11:21] Boselecta: Dude if I wanna send out email I'll send it out
[11:21] StuartD: good.
[11:21] StuartD: please do.
[11:21] StuartD: bye
[11:21] Boselecta: I don't give a ff who moans
[11:22] Boselecta: Not as if i'm selling weapons of mass destruction am i.

zzgundamnzz · 07-07-2003, 12:11 PM

You can't buy entertainment like that.

sherie · 07-07-2003, 12:15 PM

LOL how did he manage to find you of all people?

StuartD · 07-07-2003, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sherie
LOL how did he manage to find you of all people?

I dunno... would be interesting to find out now that you mention it

The thing I found really funny is the second thing I said to him was: "I run an adult webmaster resource site."

now... the only emails I would have collected from that would probably not like to be receiving porn or any other unsolicited spam.

just a hunch.

IntenseCash · 07-07-2003, 02:16 PM

very strange... is this world full of idiots??

Mr Pheer · 07-07-2003, 02:18 PM

I deleted icq over the weekend because something very similar happened to me while I was doing some graphics

Hustlin Entertainment · 07-07-2003, 02:19 PM

good stuff

XxXotic · 07-07-2003, 02:25 PM

i'll ask you to not post any more of our icq conversations thank you very much

StuartD · 07-07-2003, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by XxXotic
i'll ask you to not post any more of our icq conversations thank you very much

want me to post our cyber-fest we had instead?

pimplink · 07-07-2003, 03:04 PM

Funny stuff right there.

pornguy · 07-07-2003, 03:21 PM

It was actually worth the read.

D-man · 07-07-2003, 04:15 PM

anyone wanting opt-in member mailings can contact me - we keep our list and mail it so it's not spam -

StuartD · 07-07-2003, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornguy
It was actually worth the read.

Thanx, I thought so. I was laughing my ass off. I told him flat out that I didn't have any emails and yet he persisted.
If he really was a good salesman, he'd have taken that hint and moved on to the next icq # that he had gotten from somewhere (probably bought)

XxXotic · 07-07-2003, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MaskedMan

want me to post our cyber-fest we had instead?

tease!

jact · 07-08-2003, 12:46 AM

What some people won't do to defend their spammy ways.

07-07-2003, 12:06 PM	#1
StuartD Sofa King Band Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Outside the box Posts: 29,903	Opt-In email debate... this is what I got... I got a random icq person... started chattin me up... got interesting. I thought I'd share. Now, as I stated... I have nothing against other people who do this "opt-in email trading" thing... but I just personally don't. But this guy.. well, he took it personally. PS. The last line is the best Session Start (ICQ - 5636347:Boselecta): Mon Jul 07 10:58:19 2003 [10:58] Boselecta: hi [10:58] StuartD: Hey [10:58] Boselecta: What biz are you in? [10:59] StuartD: I run an adult webmaster resource site. [10:59] Boselecta: Oh yeah [11:00] Boselecta: Got any Adult opt-ins for sale? [11:00] StuartD: Nope... I've never collected any emails. I prefer to stay away from spam of any type [11:00] Boselecta: Opt-in I said [11:01] StuartD: Heh.. yeah, I know... but if I sell you an optin list, it's no longer optin.. it's spam... since they never opted in to anything you have. [11:02] Boselecta: Well if it has ip stamps its opt-in. [11:02] StuartD: Yeah but.. they didn't opt-in to you in any way... you buy the list. So if they didn't opt-in.. then.... it's not an opt-in list anymore. [11:03] Boselecta: But its targeted [11:03] StuartD: It's still spam. [11:04] Boselecta: I wouldn't say so [11:04] StuartD: Well... you're emailing people who never asked to be emailed by you. [11:04] StuartD: That's kinda the definition of spam. [11:04] Boselecta: But there interested in online porn though [11:06] Boselecta: Dude If your gonna moan/complain about spam go join some organisation [11:06] StuartD: Who's moaning and complaining? [11:07] Boselecta: If people wanna spam thats there business [11:07] StuartD: Yes... so go ahead and do it. [11:07] StuartD: but you can't tell me that taking me list and emailing everyone on it isn't spamming it. [11:08] Boselecta: You read to many nbc articles [11:08] StuartD: tr.v. spammed, spam·ming, spams 1. To send unsolicited e-mail to. 2. To send (a message) indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups. [11:09] Boselecta: Not a crime [11:09] StuartD: uh huh... so why are you arguing so viamently that what you're doing isn't spamming? [11:10] Boselecta: Dude stop crying jesus christ - sending a product/service to a targeted list isn't spamming [11:10] Boselecta: Called opt-in mailing [11:11] StuartD: selling something by email to a bunch of people who never asked you to email them at all... is spam. [11:11] Boselecta: Its not the end of the world, dude [11:11] StuartD: And I'm not crying... did you think that your teachers were crying because they were trying to teach you something too? [11:11] Boselecta: I couldn't care less about spam [11:12] StuartD: No, it's not the end of hte world... I have no problem with other people spamming.. by all means. But like I said... I don't share my lists for such a thing. [11:12] StuartD: You couldn't... but millions of people do hate spam. [11:12] Boselecta: I do care about targeted opt-in lists [11:13] Boselecta: If people make money out of spam then well done to them - obviously they have a good business mind. [11:13] StuartD: Yep... [11:13] StuartD: I agree. [11:13] StuartD: no ethics really. [11:13] StuartD: but do good business. [11:14] Boselecta: IF your in the email marketing business and you get a good Adult or Gambling list, that could mean a new Benz or house. [11:14] StuartD: Still doesn't improve your code of ethics. You still emailed a whole lot of people who never asked to be emailed. [11:15] Boselecta: ethics doesn't come into email marketing [11:15] StuartD: It's like pissing off 10,000 people to make one person buy something so you can get a Benz... to me, that's not the best way to make me happy. [11:16] StuartD: spamming millions of people with stuff that they didn't ask for or don't want so you can get a house... that has a lot to do with ethics. [11:17] Boselecta: So I sent out a 100k Gambling list last month - made 200k in deposits - now I really did piss those people off didn't I. [11:17] StuartD: how many of those 100k didn't give you any money? [11:17] Boselecta: More of a question of how many opted out [11:18] StuartD: yeah... how many of those, and how many didn't buy? Put those together and you have your number of pissed off people. [11:18] Boselecta: But the main thing is you can mail an Adult opt-in list 2/3 times and make a killing regardless [11:19] Boselecta: Sure they were pissed off? [11:19] StuartD: No, because why would they write articles in nbc? [11:19] Boselecta: about spam [11:20] StuartD: Yes... your spam. [11:20] Boselecta: you probably read to many papers aswell about it [11:20] StuartD: you send emails to people that have never wanted you to have their email list.. you're spamming them. [11:21] StuartD: Go make your money... I'm sure you've bought plenty of Benz's and houses to be crying to me all this time... [11:21] StuartD: shoo... go bug someone else. [11:21] Boselecta: Dude if I wanna send out email I'll send it out [11:21] StuartD: good. [11:21] StuartD: please do. [11:21] StuartD: bye [11:21] Boselecta: I don't give a ff who moans [11:22] Boselecta: Not as if i'm selling weapons of mass destruction am i. __________________ This is me on facebook This is me on twitter

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