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Pipecrew · 07-04-2003, 10:52 AM

How much are you allowing your members to download before you disable accounts? I'am pretty easy going most times, but when a Trial Members is leaching like 5 gigs a day, something isnt right

I know some pretty big sites cut most people off at 2gb a day. What do you have it set for?

and is there any software that can give Full Members more bandwidth then trial members?

wargames · 07-04-2003, 11:00 AM

Ive seen bangbus do that back in the days on the 3 day trials. They wouldnt let you download half the movies on the members area.

Brown Bear · 07-04-2003, 11:03 AM

Solution: don't use trials.

Pipecrew · 07-04-2003, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brown Bear
Solution: don't use trials.

True, but think about full members who leech like 5gigs a day, thats 150 gbs a month, even at 20 cents a gig, thats 30 bucks wasted on bandwidth.

Brown Bear · 07-04-2003, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pipecrew

True, but think about full members who leech like 5gigs a day, thats 150 gbs a month, even at 20 cents a gig, thats 30 bucks wasted on bandwidth.

Thats the exception though, not the rule. Besides, do you really have 150gb of content on your paysite?

Pipecrew · 07-04-2003, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brown Bear

Thats the exception though, not the rule. Besides, do you really have 150gb of content on your paysite?

not yet

I think I am going make my trials alot more expensive and reduce the number of days by 1. Then setup a bandwidth limit of 1.5 gigs a day.

goBigtime · 07-04-2003, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pipecrew

True, but think about full members who leech like 5gigs a day, thats 150 gbs a month, even at 20 cents a gig, thats 30 bucks wasted on bandwidth.

Think about "unlimited" cellular phones or being able to have 1.5mbits in your home for ~$50/month.....

It's the same thing... SOME of your clients will be leeches, but overall you should be quite profitable.

tootie · 07-04-2003, 12:51 PM

Believe me, I understand the whole bandwidth thing quite well since I used to run a paysite, but I never limited anyone, even trial users. I mean, honestly, if I got cut off while on a trial there is no way I'd trust a site enough to recur.

If I decide to set up my own paysites again I'm not having trials. It'll mean less affiliates, but the ones I do get will make more money in the long run.

wyvern · 07-04-2003, 02:05 PM

There was a paysite that offered free trials to surfers (the surfer had to enter only a valid e-mail to get it); the trial lasted only one hour, and during this hour the surfer could only view thumbnails (he was forbidden to view large pics).

I think limiting the trial members' traffic can protect your content from being posted on TGP. Those who steal content from paysites for their TGP galleries are too grasping to pay the full price of a membership.

We have developed the software for limiting the bandwidth and the maximum viewable file size for any group of members of your site. So if you are interested in protecting your content, just contact me: e-mail: wyvern (at) rbtechgroup (dot) com ICQ# 83300875 (nickname: Yerdnat)

FiReC · 07-04-2003, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wyvern
Those who steal content from paysites for their TGP galleries are too grasping to pay the full price of a membership.

are you serious?

Bucho · 07-04-2003, 02:31 PM

we have a lot more than 150gb of content in our memberarea - and we have at least one member pr week that uses a spider of some kind and tries to download the whole thing...

We have NO limits on downloads, and we are trying to put all spiders in our .htaccess, but still someone manages to go do their thing...

We have been thinking about setting a limit, but havent done so yet.

wyvern · 07-05-2003, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FiReC

are you serious?

Yes.

High Quality · 07-05-2003, 02:08 AM

24 hour disable at 512MB. Trial members are the only ones who ever read the limit. And its usually in 200minutes or less (i.e. 40KB/sec for 230 mins, or what not)

I've had members email to complain and I tell them to become a full member to get dl privilages. Never happens.

Sausage · 07-05-2003, 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pipecrew

True, but think about full members who leech like 5gigs a day, thats 150 gbs a month, even at 20 cents a gig, thats 30 bucks wasted on bandwidth.

Shit ... 20c a gig is pretty expensive to be running any decent sized program/site.

Paul Markham · 07-05-2003, 02:39 AM

This is very interesting.

We are about to open a plug in lease gallery and do not know whether to disbale the right click download facility or limit it. The problem comes when a site sends members that just want to download the whole thing. 1 or two we can live with, but if it's more we are going to have to limit the amount of B/W a site gets.

Brown Bear · 07-05-2003, 02:49 AM

If a member joins your site they've JOINED your site. They are entitled to everything you've promised them for the money you're asking. So either let them have it, or be prepared for a nice tasty chargeback on your cheap ass.

andi_germany · 07-05-2003, 02:50 AM

Simple solution:

Use crypted links. Those are run thru a database to load the pages and pictures.

This will effectively limit the bandwidth due to the fact that the surfer can only click links and not use offlinebrowsers at all.

High Quality · 07-05-2003, 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by andi_germany
Simple solution:

Use crypted links. Those are run thru a database to load the pages and pictures.

This will effectively limit the bandwidth due to the fact that the surfer can only click links and not use offlinebrowsers at all.

Interesting, never thought of that. How does one implement this sort of thing? And does it increase server load significantly?

jovigirl · 07-05-2003, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sausage

Shit ... 20c a gig is pretty expensive to be running any decent sized program/site.

Where can you get it cheaper than that?
Or at least like that?
What's the minimum usage you need to get this kind of prices?

PornBroker · 07-05-2003, 05:20 AM

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PornBroker · 07-05-2003, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sausage

Shit ... 20c a gig is pretty expensive to be running any decent sized program/site.

kidding right?

kmanrox · 07-05-2003, 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brown Bear
Solution: don't use trials.

solution, if you dont have a script to gauge xfer per user or some shit, put a bonus area that has loads of content for them that they are allowed to access after 3 days of membership only (this is very simply htaccess timestamp checking... we pioneered this on oliversmoney and it worked great

Sausage · 07-05-2003, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jovigirl

Where can you get it cheaper than that?
Or at least like that?
What's the minimum usage you need to get this kind of prices?

If you have your own tech guy, get rackshack. They are quite a bit cheaper and with so many big guys going bust and leaving the business, you would be amazed what kinda servers you can pick up for next to nothing compared to 4 months ago.

We don't use em, but we push more volume. Only pushing a hundred or so gig a day, but still enough to be paying only cents a gig. you gotta go out and make a deal. You aren't gonna get any seriously good prices if you just join up on the host's splash page.

Sausage · 07-05-2003, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PornBroker

kidding right?

Man I'm amazed that you guys are shocked at this. How the hell could you afford to do hosted galleries and make good profit if you are paying 20c a gig? Dude ... with some of the designs out there on hosted galleries I'm amazed they can turn a profit at even 10c a gig.

High Quality · 07-05-2003, 07:04 AM

This is all horseshit. If you wanna do better than 20c/gb on dedicated boxes with decent configs using non cogent bw you better be pushing into the 50Mbit+ averaged.

Some of you guys were talkin what, 100GB/day? Ha. I'd pay $.30/gb for that kinda level of commitment.

Sausage · 07-05-2003, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by High Quality
This is all horseshit. If you wanna do better than 20c/gb on dedicated boxes with decent configs using non cogent bw you better be pushing into the 50Mbit+ averaged.

Some of you guys were talkin what, 100GB/day? Ha. I'd pay $.30/gb for that kinda level of commitment.

Mate .... we only push 100gb a day and we pay cents per gb, non cognet, with a fucking reputable and stable host.

Push for a better deal.

Theres very little credibility to my post coz I aint gonna tell you who i'm with or who the host is ... so you don't have to believe me.

Cheers!

FlyingIguana · 07-05-2003, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sausage

Mate .... we only push 100gb a day and we pay cents per gb, non cognet, with a fucking reputable and stable host.

Push for a better deal.

Theres very little credibility to my post coz I aint gonna tell you who i'm with or who the host is ... so you don't have to believe me.

Cheers!

so its not managed hosting?

Sausage · 07-05-2003, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FlyingIguana

so its not managed hosting?

Strangely enough it is ... managed that is.

Pipecrew · 07-05-2003, 10:05 AM

Like the other guy said in the thread, if you do 50mbit commitment on cogent, you can get it low as 12 cents a gig, I'd use that shit for hosted galleries and what not..... 20 cents a gig is VERY reasonable, most sites are paying double that and then some..

reliable · 07-05-2003, 10:46 AM

I'd consider streaming the videos if you want to control the bandwidth. That will prevent the excessive downloads.

I changed to secure streaming in my paysite at www.adultpaid.com and the bandwidth usage dropped almost 50%.

keyDet79 · 07-05-2003, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pipecrew
Like the other guy said in the thread, if you do 50mbit commitment on cogent, you can get it low as 12 cents a gig, I'd use that shit for hosted galleries and what not..... 20 cents a gig is VERY reasonable, most sites are paying double that and then some..

You can get very decent, reliable Cogent bandwidth a lot cheaper than that. We do 13 cents a gig with 10mbit (on 100mbit burstable for peaks), P4 with dual HDD included. Cogent is actually excellent for movie and download sites.

Pornwolf · 07-05-2003, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by reliable
I'd consider streaming the videos if you want to control the bandwidth. That will prevent the excessive downloads.

I changed to secure streaming in my paysite at www.adultpaid.com and the bandwidth usage dropped almost 50%.

I agree with that outlook but tell me, how are your rebills since the switch?

cafeaulait · 07-05-2003, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by reliable
I'd consider streaming the videos if you want to control the bandwidth. That will prevent the excessive downloads.

I changed to secure streaming in my paysite at www.adultpaid.com and the bandwidth usage dropped almost 50%.

Is that because half your members got pissed off and left

07-04-2003, 10:52 AM	#1
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	Member Bandwidth How much are you allowing your members to download before you disable accounts? I'am pretty easy going most times, but when a Trial Members is leaching like 5 gigs a day, something isnt right I know some pretty big sites cut most people off at 2gb a day. What do you have it set for? and is there any software that can give Full Members more bandwidth then trial members?

07-04-2003, 11:00 AM	#2
wargames Kliris Join Date: May 2003 Location: ca Posts: 10,423	Ive seen bangbus do that back in the days on the 3 day trials. They wouldnt let you download half the movies on the members area. __________________ ICQ 212-115-582 Email Steve at Vas Media Group .com

07-04-2003, 11:03 AM	#3
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07-04-2003, 12:51 PM	#8
tootie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Planet Earp Posts: 6,041	Believe me, I understand the whole bandwidth thing quite well since I used to run a paysite, but I never limited anyone, even trial users. I mean, honestly, if I got cut off while on a trial there is no way I'd trust a site enough to recur. If I decide to set up my own paysites again I'm not having trials. It'll mean less affiliates, but the ones I do get will make more money in the long run. __________________

07-04-2003, 02:31 PM	#11
Bucho Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 578	we have a lot more than 150gb of content in our memberarea - and we have at least one member pr week that uses a spider of some kind and tries to download the whole thing... We have NO limits on downloads, and we are trying to put all spiders in our .htaccess, but still someone manages to go do their thing... We have been thinking about setting a limit, but havent done so yet. __________________ ICQ: 4646141

07-04-2003, 02:05 PM	#9
wyvern Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 39	There was a paysite that offered free trials to surfers (the surfer had to enter only a valid e-mail to get it); the trial lasted only one hour, and during this hour the surfer could only view thumbnails (he was forbidden to view large pics). I think limiting the trial members' traffic can protect your content from being posted on TGP. Those who steal content from paysites for their TGP galleries are too grasping to pay the full price of a membership. We have developed the software for limiting the bandwidth and the maximum viewable file size for any group of members of your site. So if you are interested in protecting your content, just contact me: e-mail: wyvern (at) rbtechgroup (dot) com ICQ# 83300875 (nickname: Yerdnat)

07-05-2003, 02:08 AM	#13
High Quality Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 5,741	24 hour disable at 512MB. Trial members are the only ones who ever read the limit. And its usually in 200minutes or less (i.e. 40KB/sec for 230 mins, or what not) I've had members email to complain and I tell them to become a full member to get dl privilages. Never happens. __________________ RecurCash.com - Averaging $38/sale with 60% revshare in the first 4 months alone! Convert your TEEN traffic today @ better than 1:500 guaranteed. ICQ me: 18287590!

07-05-2003, 02:39 AM	#15
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07-05-2003, 02:49 AM	#16
Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	If a member joins your site they've JOINED your site. They are entitled to everything you've promised them for the money you're asking. So either let them have it, or be prepared for a nice tasty chargeback on your cheap ass. __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

07-05-2003, 02:50 AM	#17
andi_germany Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 768	Simple solution: Use crypted links. Those are run thru a database to load the pages and pictures. This will effectively limit the bandwidth due to the fact that the surfer can only click links and not use offlinebrowsers at all. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

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07-05-2003, 07:04 AM	#25
High Quality Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 5,741	This is all horseshit. If you wanna do better than 20c/gb on dedicated boxes with decent configs using non cogent bw you better be pushing into the 50Mbit+ averaged. Some of you guys were talkin what, 100GB/day? Ha. I'd pay $.30/gb for that kinda level of commitment. __________________ RecurCash.com - Averaging $38/sale with 60% revshare in the first 4 months alone! Convert your TEEN traffic today @ better than 1:500 guaranteed. ICQ me: 18287590!

07-05-2003, 10:05 AM	#29
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	Like the other guy said in the thread, if you do 50mbit commitment on cogent, you can get it low as 12 cents a gig, I'd use that shit for hosted galleries and what not..... 20 cents a gig is VERY reasonable, most sites are paying double that and then some..

07-05-2003, 10:46 AM	#30
reliable Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Plantation Florida Posts: 243	I'd consider streaming the videos if you want to control the bandwidth. That will prevent the excessive downloads. I changed to secure streaming in my paysite at www.adultpaid.com and the bandwidth usage dropped almost 50%. __________________ ICQ# 63881097 Skype: Reliablehosting http://www.xxxwebhosting.com - For Quality Managed Hosting http://www.xxxvpn.com - For Secure Net Connectivity and USA IP http://www.Camsturbate.com - Independent Web Cam Girl Listings http://www.StrongStreams.com - Secure Windows Media Streaming