I just realized something about Acacia - GoFuckYourself.com

FillmoreSlim · 07-04-2003, 12:10 AM

Acacia is on the verge of becoming one of the richest media organizations on the planet.

In the near future, Acacia may be in a position to receive a monetary percentage of every single multimedia broadcast in existence.

Think about Tivo. Think about digital cable-on-demand....

All these technologies are eventually going to be coming from one pipe....

And guess who gets a piece?

Mike AI · 07-04-2003, 12:13 AM

That is why they have some many investors putting money in. It is a controled gamble. If they win, investors will turn millions into billions over night.

FillmoreSlim · 07-04-2003, 12:15 AM

Fucking Billions.

This is real multi level marketing in action. Its a guaranteed win.

THEY WILL HAVE A PERCENTAGE OF EVERY FUCKING BROADCAST

KRL · 07-04-2003, 12:17 AM

If someone doesn't take them out by then.

Serious jd · 07-04-2003, 12:18 AM

I would say it is quite a risk as if they lose thier patents the stock price isn't going anywhere. however if they get away with it...... wow

John3 · 07-04-2003, 12:27 AM

I love domain names with acacia in them

FillmoreSlim · 07-04-2003, 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by Serious jd
I would say it is quite a risk as if they lose thier patents the stock price isn't going anywhere. however if they get away with it...... wow

Billions.

Brujah · 07-04-2003, 01:38 AM

Would it be wrong if I were to buy Acacia Research stock ?

Kimmykim · 07-04-2003, 01:46 AM

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Originally posted by Brujah
Would it be wrong if I were to buy Acacia Research stock ?

yes, it's a front for Al Qaeda I have read.

funkmaster · 07-04-2003, 01:51 AM

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Originally posted by Brujah
Would it be wrong if I were to buy Acacia Research stock ?

... no, as a matter of the fact I am currently taking a look at:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=ACTG&d=t
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CBMX&d=t

funkmaster · 07-04-2003, 01:52 AM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

yes, it's a front for Al Qaeda I have read.

... didn´t it say fund ??

Theo · 07-04-2003, 02:02 AM

real networks provides streaming video as well and i dont think they'll be an easy target.

Mr.Fiction · 07-04-2003, 02:09 AM

These guy's fake patent needs to be stomped on.

Kimmykim · 07-04-2003, 02:12 AM

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Originally posted by funkmaster

... didn´t it say fund ??

LOL I read it on GFY, not Yahoo ;)

Tipsy · 07-04-2003, 04:53 AM

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Originally posted by FillmoreSlim
Fucking Billions.

This is real multi level marketing in action. Its a guaranteed win.

THEY WILL HAVE A PERCENTAGE OF EVERY FUCKING BROADCAST

It's a very long way from being a certainty yet.

Carrie · 07-04-2003, 05:15 AM

From CBS Market Watch

Quote:

Theoretically, shareholders would also be able to use insider trades as a way to screen for Russell rejects that are likely to outperform. But there was only one company from this year's likely pile of rejects that had insiders buying stock in recent months: Newport Beach, Calif.-based Acacia Technologies Group (ACTG: news, chart, profile).

Acacia is known for holding patents on the V-chip, which is used in TV sets to selectively block out programming that's not suitable for children. The company also holds patents for sending digital media content.

Paul Ryan, Acacia's chief executive, bought 81,800 shares of his company's stock from the end of February through mid-March at prices ranging from $1.04 to $1.33 a share. The stock now trades at about $1.20 a share.

Ryan acknowledges that the V-chip market has flopped -- partly due to competition. The company reported $222,000 in sales, and a loss of about $7 million in its March quarter. But he says the company will turn around once licenses start rolling in for its digital media technology, which it just started selling this year.

Acacia has a book value of more than $2 a share, and more than $1.60 in cash per share. According to Ryan, the company has already entered 24 licensing deals for its digital media technology; he hopes the company will start generating cash next year.

But the company burned through more than $3 million in its most recent quarter. Future growth will depend on Acacia's ability to enforce technology patents that are 13 years old. Ryan claims that the "vast majority" of companies that are streaming media on the Internet and through cable lines are violating his patents.

Ryan hopes to enforce his patents with lawsuits, if necessary. He's filed claims against 39 adult-entertainment companies to try to force them to license his company's technology. About 10 have settled with Acacia so far, he says.

The long-term risk to the company, Ryan acknowledges, is if the lawsuit strategy fails, and one of the companies Ryan sues can invalidate a group of Acadia's patents. So far, the validity of Acacia's patents hasn't been challenged in court, Ryan said.

So when *will* they be challenged in court? When are the Homegrown etc. challenges scheduled to take place?

Carrie · 07-04-2003, 05:28 AM

I know that courts frequently smack down cases due to inaction.
For example, let's say you've got a big plot of land and your neighbor goes ahead and mows a chunk of it every few days and sets up a picnic table there, etc. You allow this to go on for years.
Then your wife and the neighbor's wife get into a spat and you take the neighbor to court for trespassing on your land.

The court would look at the amount of time in which you took no action against the neighbors for their activities, and by way of inaction, you allowed them to continue. If it went on long enough, then the court can rule that you set a precedent that the neighbor had due right to use that land even though you owned it and your tresspass charges are ruled invalid.
In some cases that I've read about, the court has actually ruled that the piece of land in question be awarded to the defendant, since he had been mowing it, using it, and taking care of it for so many years.

Acacia has been sitting on these patents for 13 years without doing anything - allowing, by their inaction, the technology to be used freely. Wouldn't that follow the same precedent as above?

Also, I'm curious if IMPA has contacted Microsoft and Real and tried to get them involved, since they are using those companies' technologies to stream (unless they're doing purely mpeg transmissions) and these challenges from Acacia basically say that this technology is illegal. That involves M$ and Real by way of association.
It shouldn't be necessary to wait for Acacia to go after M$ and Real Networks (which they won't do until they've got a long list of companies who have already bowed down to them and who set a precedent of "these companies recognize the legality of our claims")... the defendants should be able to bring in M$ and Real because it's their technology that is being used to deploy the streaming, the format for the videos, etc.

Mutt · 07-04-2003, 07:00 AM

Microsoft and Real have nothing to do with this at this point. Acacia's patents are for video transmission on the Internet, the tools/software used to do it aren't important. Microsoft and Real will come into this when they are sued, not for their software, but for transmitting video on the Internet.

Undutchable · 07-04-2003, 07:06 AM

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Originally posted by Carrie
I know that courts frequently smack down cases due to inaction.
For example, let's say you've got a big plot of land and your neighbor goes ahead and mows a chunk of it every few days and sets up a picnic table there, etc. You allow this to go on for years.
Then your wife and the neighbor's wife get into a spat and you take the neighbor to court for trespassing on your land.

The court would look at the amount of time in which you took no action against the neighbors for their activities, and by way of inaction, you allowed them to continue. If it went on long enough, then the court can rule that you set a precedent that the neighbor had due right to use that land even though you owned it and your tresspass charges are ruled invalid.
In some cases that I've read about, the court has actually ruled that the piece of land in question be awarded to the defendant, since he had been mowing it, using it, and taking care of it for so many years.

Acacia has been sitting on these patents for 13 years without doing anything - allowing, by their inaction, the technology to be used freely. Wouldn't that follow the same precedent as above?

Also, I'm curious if IMPA has contacted Microsoft and Real and tried to get them involved, since they are using those companies' technologies to stream (unless they're doing purely mpeg transmissions) and these challenges from Acacia basically say that this technology is illegal. That involves M$ and Real by way of association.
It shouldn't be necessary to wait for Acacia to go after M$ and Real Networks (which they won't do until they've got a long list of companies who have already bowed down to them and who set a precedent of "these companies recognize the legality of our claims")... the defendants should be able to bring in M$ and Real because it's their technology that is being used to deploy the streaming, the format for the videos, etc.

Excellent post.

goBigtime · 07-04-2003, 07:18 AM

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Originally posted by Carrie

Also, I'm curious if IMPA has contacted Microsoft and Real and tried to get them involved, since they are using those companies' technologies to stream (unless they're doing purely mpeg transmissions) and these challenges from Acacia basically say that this technology is illegal. That involves M$ and Real by way of association.

I don't think them being "purely mpeg transmissions" lets them be exempt from the claims does it?

I didn't think this only applied to streaming media. From what I've read it applies to downloaded audio/video too.

... and doesn't mpeg have their own patents?

Karson · 07-04-2003, 07:31 AM

Does this patent apply only to real time streaming video?

For example, can Acacia try to get you to buy a license from them if all your video is downloadable to the users hard drive, then the user uses Media Player...etc. to play the video from their hard drive.

Mutt · 07-04-2003, 07:37 AM

i think it covers downloadable video files as well, not just streaming. that's the crazy part, streaming i wouldn't be shocked to hear somebody believed they had a patent on that. But they don't own MPEG video compression, or any other video format. They are contending that their patent also covers downloading any type of video file from the Internet. Crazy.

Karson · 07-04-2003, 07:54 AM

Wow...ALL video?

Hum...since nobody seems to be claiming a patent on .jpg/images downloads, I now hereby claim FULL RIGHTS to ALL images downloads.

Look out...cause...I'll be comin' for your ass!

Cassie · 07-04-2003, 09:21 AM

lets see what ted turner has to say about that!

FillmoreSlim · 07-04-2003, 09:28 AM

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Originally posted by Cassie
lets see what ted turner has to say about that!

ted turner is far from the wealthiest person in the media.

Loch · 07-04-2003, 09:30 AM

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Originally posted by Karson
Hum...since nobody seems to be claiming a patent on .jpg/images downloads, I now hereby claim FULL RIGHTS to ALL images downloads.

This has already been done by a company similar to Acasia, but was fought down by the courts.
Was a huge and long fight and they almost succeded!

MegaPussy · 07-04-2003, 09:35 AM

There is a company (German I believe?) who owns the patent on CD technology. They get a small royalty as far as I am aware when CDs are made. I'd have to find the article I read about it, but it was in relation to this case.

Patents and trademarks can be challenged directly, like Acacia's V-chip patent was.

Acacia has a recent history of ripping people off, hence a 10.8 million settlement that was handed down AGAINST their biotech wing by a company they apparently stole either ideas or technology from.

They made $800k+ last year, down from 24 MILLION the year prior.

I can't see this company going far and I can't see intelligent investors getting in this late in the game. Their shareholders are allegedly trying to stage a takeover as well. I would if the company was valued so horribly and had taken a 3000% hit.

Read that Forbes article, that's where I got the most recent info on the company itself, prior to that all I had was past statute from other similar cases.

They say that the patent office is millions under-funded every year, horribly understaffed, and the approach they take in many cases is to issue patents on things with the assumption that if they are too broad and ridiculous they will simply be challenged and struck down. This would be one of those obvious cases.

And Microsoft and Silicon Valley have gone to bat for smaller folks, they went in front of the Supreme Court vs. the other media companies on recent copyright extension rulings (Disney just bought themselves another few decades on Mickey). They might play ball, so might Real, you never know till you try. Many of those guys have their hearts and heads in the right place, i.e. Yahoo.

StacyCat · 07-04-2003, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
real networks provides streaming video as well and i dont think they'll be an easy target.

Thats the point of going after porn first. Once they have a judgement for the patents (because the jury may not want to award a victory to a group of pornographers) they can go after the larger entities.

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FillmoreSlim Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: streetz Posts: 1,236	I just realized something about Acacia Acacia is on the verge of becoming one of the richest media organizations on the planet. In the near future, Acacia may be in a position to receive a monetary percentage of every single multimedia broadcast in existence. Think about Tivo. Think about digital cable-on-demand.... All these technologies are eventually going to be coming from one pipe.... And guess who gets a piece? __________________ New and Improved Chameleon Submitter 2.0 - Submit to TGP and MGP sites - GET YOURS TODAY!

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FillmoreSlim Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: streetz Posts: 1,236	Fucking Billions. This is real multi level marketing in action. Its a guaranteed win. THEY WILL HAVE A PERCENTAGE OF EVERY FUCKING BROADCAST __________________ New and Improved Chameleon Submitter 2.0 - Submit to TGP and MGP sites - GET YOURS TODAY!

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Serious jd Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 103	I would say it is quite a risk as if they lose thier patents the stock price isn't going anywhere. however if they get away with it...... wow

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Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	real networks provides streaming video as well and i dont think they'll be an easy target.

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Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	These guy's fake patent needs to be stomped on.

07-04-2003, 05:28 AM	#17
Carrie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Virgin - nee Posts: 3,162	I know that courts frequently smack down cases due to inaction. For example, let's say you've got a big plot of land and your neighbor goes ahead and mows a chunk of it every few days and sets up a picnic table there, etc. You allow this to go on for years. Then your wife and the neighbor's wife get into a spat and you take the neighbor to court for trespassing on your land. The court would look at the amount of time in which you took no action against the neighbors for their activities, and by way of inaction, you allowed them to continue. If it went on long enough, then the court can rule that you set a precedent that the neighbor had due right to use that land even though you owned it and your tresspass charges are ruled invalid. In some cases that I've read about, the court has actually ruled that the piece of land in question be awarded to the defendant, since he had been mowing it, using it, and taking care of it for so many years. Acacia has been sitting on these patents for 13 years without doing anything - allowing, by their inaction, the technology to be used freely. Wouldn't that follow the same precedent as above? Also, I'm curious if IMPA has contacted Microsoft and Real and tried to get them involved, since they are using those companies' technologies to stream (unless they're doing purely mpeg transmissions) and these challenges from Acacia basically say that this technology is illegal. That involves M$ and Real by way of association. It shouldn't be necessary to wait for Acacia to go after M$ and Real Networks (which they won't do until they've got a long list of companies who have already bowed down to them and who set a precedent of "these companies recognize the legality of our claims")... the defendants should be able to bring in M$ and Real because it's their technology that is being used to deploy the streaming, the format for the videos, etc.

07-04-2003, 07:00 AM	#18
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	Microsoft and Real have nothing to do with this at this point. Acacia's patents are for video transmission on the Internet, the tools/software used to do it aren't important. Microsoft and Real will come into this when they are sued, not for their software, but for transmitting video on the Internet. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

07-04-2003, 07:31 AM	#21
Karson Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 6	Does this patent apply only to real time streaming video? For example, can Acacia try to get you to buy a license from them if all your video is downloadable to the users hard drive, then the user uses Media Player...etc. to play the video from their hard drive.

07-04-2003, 07:37 AM	#22
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	i think it covers downloadable video files as well, not just streaming. that's the crazy part, streaming i wouldn't be shocked to hear somebody believed they had a patent on that. But they don't own MPEG video compression, or any other video format. They are contending that their patent also covers downloading any type of video file from the Internet. Crazy. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

07-04-2003, 07:54 AM	#23
Karson Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 6	Wow...ALL video? Hum...since nobody seems to be claiming a patent on .jpg/images downloads, I now hereby claim FULL RIGHTS to ALL images downloads. Look out...cause...I'll be comin' for your ass!

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07-04-2003, 09:35 AM	#27
MegaPussy Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 243	There is a company (German I believe?) who owns the patent on CD technology. They get a small royalty as far as I am aware when CDs are made. I'd have to find the article I read about it, but it was in relation to this case. Patents and trademarks can be challenged directly, like Acacia's V-chip patent was. Acacia has a recent history of ripping people off, hence a 10.8 million settlement that was handed down AGAINST their biotech wing by a company they apparently stole either ideas or technology from. They made $800k+ last year, down from 24 MILLION the year prior. I can't see this company going far and I can't see intelligent investors getting in this late in the game. Their shareholders are allegedly trying to stage a takeover as well. I would if the company was valued so horribly and had taken a 3000% hit. Read that Forbes article, that's where I got the most recent info on the company itself, prior to that all I had was past statute from other similar cases. They say that the patent office is millions under-funded every year, horribly understaffed, and the approach they take in many cases is to issue patents on things with the assumption that if they are too broad and ridiculous they will simply be challenged and struck down. This would be one of those obvious cases. And Microsoft and Silicon Valley have gone to bat for smaller folks, they went in front of the Supreme Court vs. the other media companies on recent copyright extension rulings (Disney just bought themselves another few decades on Mickey). They might play ball, so might Real, you never know till you try. Many of those guys have their hearts and heads in the right place, i.e. Yahoo. __________________ Tabloid Cash - Fresh New Concept! www.tabloidcash.com [email protected]