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skrog · 07-02-2003, 12:51 AM

Post some of your best work!!!

Ironhorse · 07-02-2003, 12:55 AM

I am working on this right now..

smack · 07-02-2003, 12:56 AM

see sig.

skrog · 07-02-2003, 12:59 AM

Ironhorse....Fucking sweet man!!!

sextoyking · 07-02-2003, 01:00 AM

Skrog,

Please check out some of our great summer specials at:

http://www.webinc.com/summerdeals.html

Great prices and a large portfolio online.

thanks

Todd

skrog · 07-02-2003, 01:02 AM

Nice stuff, Todd

robfantasy · 07-02-2003, 01:03 AM

bluedesignstudios.com is the best on the net

robfantasy · 07-02-2003, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by robfantasy
bluedesignstudios.com is the best on the net

but thats common knowledge

sextoyking · 07-02-2003, 01:05 AM

Thanks Skrog

----------------------

Robfantasy,

yeh Wade is slowly getting better every day

VideoVoyeur · 07-02-2003, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ironhorse
I am working on this right now..

Daaamn nice Ironhorse

Todd has very very good designers too, and is always available on icq or by the phone.

Hamlet · 07-02-2003, 01:09 AM

please check out www.visualecstasy.com

Wade · 07-02-2003, 01:13 AM

Thanks Todd, it really is hard to improve when you reach the level of quality we're at. Somehow we do manage to keep raising the bar, glad you noticed.

BlueDesignStudios · 07-02-2003, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by robfantasy
bluedesignstudios.com is the best on the net

Thanks Rob

We create unique & quality designs that are non-template based, totally unique to the surfer, and convert like crazy.

You can view our online portfolio here: http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/portfolio.php

We will be doing a huge update shortly, with hundreds of new pieces of promo material & tours.

Hit me up if you're interested

sextoyking · 07-02-2003, 01:19 AM

Wade,

np at all. I know it's hard to reach the level webinc.com is at, but I give you a thumbs up for trying.

Appreciate that great feedback on our 20,000 banners online. I sure do love the orginal work our team does.

You will get there someday I suppose

Wade · 07-02-2003, 01:42 AM

Todd you have always been blind to the quality of other designers, I still remember you thinking your designers were somehow better than MikeW. They weren't then and still aren't now.

You really are kidding yourself to believe that your banners are 100% original. Yes the ones on the front page of your portfolio are, but the 1000's of others, well they often look very similar to each other. I know it, your clients know it, my clients know it, why dont you just admit it?

Im not saying there is anything wrong with it, for $5 what do people really expect? If anyone wants us to do banners for your price and equal quality im more than happy to.

Ironhorse · 07-02-2003, 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by skrog
Ironhorse....Fucking sweet man!!!

Thanks Skrog, I'm really psyched about this one, I can't wait to do the animations and web part.

Ironhorse · 07-02-2003, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by VideoVoyeur

Daaamn nice Ironhorse

Todd has very very good designers too, and is always available on icq or by the phone.

Hey Thanks VideoVoyeur, I think we'll be using some of your feeds to upsell this puppy =)

MetaMan · 07-02-2003, 01:46 AM

my newest paysite logo.

older one.

sextoyking · 07-02-2003, 01:48 AM

Wade.

you must have me mixed up with someone else. I have always praised Mikew's work as a designer and as a person. That is why on the last last porn resource top designers list, well Mike came in #1 and we came in # 2. Of course we will always try for #1

On the banner thing, you can't touch us. Sure when people order 100 banners they can get them as low as around 5.00 or so each. Our work is superb, the customer gets nice work at a great price.

We do around 400-500 Banners per week Wade, what can I say.

Look around our portfolio, from paysite designs, to ads, to ezines, etc. It's all high quality. I see you have horsecocksex on your portfolio, good work, but I see our horsecocksex design on the paysite of cen??

--MARIAN-- · 07-02-2003, 01:51 AM

Hey

You can see my latest work at http://www.wow18.com/t2/ and more samples at http://madthumbs.com/design/

[email protected] and ICQ 157150479

VideoVoyeur · 07-02-2003, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ironhorse

Hey Thanks VideoVoyeur, I think we'll be using some of your feeds to upsell this puppy =)

Much appreciated there sir.

Click sig, signup to sig, make money like in sig. Its that easy

VideoVoyeur · 07-02-2003, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by --MARIAN--
Hey

You can see my latest work at http://www.wow18.com/t2/ and more samples at http://madthumbs.com/design/

[email protected] and ICQ 157150479

TIGHT SHIT DUDE

--MARIAN-- · 07-02-2003, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by VideoVoyeur

TIGHT SHIT DUDE

dudette will do better

Wade · 07-02-2003, 02:16 AM

No Todd I dont have you mixed up with someone else. This was a conversation we had on N3tpond about 2 years ago. They dont have a search funtion so I cant find it but I'm sure it could be found, also pretty sure MikeW and several others would remember this.

Bosshawg hasnt updated his list for a year, so it bares little relevance today.

I cant touch you on banners? Watch me.

400-500 banners a week at $5 a banner? $2-2.5k a week. Thats not much.

As for CEN using your design and not ours, they have not released the site to webmasters yet, if you go to the domain you will see it doesnt have thier usual linking structure or any exit consoles yet.

Also if you'd taken the time to do some more research you would see CEN has started offering their webmasters multiple versions of each tour. As have many other sponsors, most choosing to use a different designer for each version.

JB referred to our horse cock sex design as "awesome"

bhutocracy · 07-02-2003, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sextoyking

Robfantasy,

yeh Wade is slowly getting better every day

christ.. you both run great companies with top level designers.. quit the condescension, it cheapens your efforts.

sextoyking · 07-02-2003, 02:23 AM

Wade,

I remember alot of design threads on the pond yrs. back. Me and Mike are cool and I always give him a thumbs up, thanks for your concearn though.

don't worry what we do at webinc, just make sure to keep your 15 designers busy ok?

Bed time for me. thanks for the chat, been awhile

Todd

GrimShawn · 07-02-2003, 02:23 AM

Wade · 07-02-2003, 02:25 AM

Great effort with avoiding every issue I brought up.

Dont worry Todd give me some time, I'll dig that post up ;-)

Have a good sleep.

sextoyking · 07-02-2003, 02:30 AM

Wade,

I don't avoid anything. You know that about me by now..

I am sure in the old days I could of said something in all those piss matches we had on the pond. I just can't remember.

We do lots of work with Cen, so do other design companies, so what?

You took a shot the other day about our banner portfolio or something, so in turn I must repay the favor

Sneka · 07-02-2003, 02:51 AM

Hustlin Entertainment · 07-02-2003, 04:25 AM

consider www.arousaldesign.com

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Hit on icq
http://designforadult.com/
check portfolio and prices...

Reak · 07-02-2003, 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ironhorse
I am working on this right now..

this looking good men !

$tandaman · 07-02-2003, 06:42 AM

If you want something with a vision, check this:

http://www.envisionext.com

Wade · 07-02-2003, 10:39 AM

Todd you started the whole CEN issue. Implying they must have liked yours more than the one we did. I was just clarifyig why they had multiple copies and possibly why only your one is online. Dont try to turn it back on me.

Its pretty clear you've tried to dodge the truth about your $5 banners.

Make up your mind, did you or didnt you say your guys were better than MikeW?

mastamindz · 07-02-2003, 11:57 AM

http://www.adultgrafx.com

enjoy

loverboy · 07-02-2003, 11:59 AM

hit my sig, and save 1/6 the pice.

nap · 07-02-2003, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ironhorse
I am working on this right now..

nice

scorpy · 07-04-2003, 07:55 AM

Recent work:
http://www.scorpiocreation.com/portfolio/hornysluts/
http://www.scorpiocreation.com/portfolio/bigcocks/
http://www.scorpiocreation.com/portf...leasureisland/
http://www.scorpiocreation.com/portfolio/teenteen.com/

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Bruno · 07-04-2003, 08:36 AM

Hey there Skrog, how are you?

Here´s some of our recent, published work:

http://www.youngporn.net/TOUR/tour3cc/index.html

http://www.busty2.com/tour.html

http://www.mybestmovies.com

http://www.************.com

In around 15 days we will have a new batch of premium, innovative and high converting sites to show!

Take care,

Bruno Dickman

Azazello · 07-04-2003, 08:43 AM

I would recommend you xxx-Space.net . See sig, it's their job

galleryseek · 07-04-2003, 08:52 AM

www.swiftco.net / www.dreamache.com / www.dreamache.com/new2 / www.dreamache.com/stopthathacker

Bruno · 07-04-2003, 09:30 AM

Ok, previews for the lazy people!

For the sites, click the links:

http://www.youngporn.net/TOUR/tour3cc/index.html

http://www.busty2.com/tour.html

http://www.mybestmovies.com

http://www.************.com

Take care,

Bruno Dickman

digifan · 07-04-2003, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by scorpy
Recent work:
http://www.scorpiocreation.com/portfolio/hornysluts/
http://www.scorpiocreation.com/portfolio/bigcocks/
http://www.scorpiocreation.com/portf...leasureisland/
http://www.scorpiocreation.com/portfolio/teenteen.com/

Very nice work... except those ants.. Mummy I am scared

MiLo · 07-04-2003, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bruno
Ok, previews for the lazy people!

The lazy people approve!

Kick-ass sites bro, as usual, and ive heard they convert
like fucking crazy!

BTW i need a caiphirinia refill! hook me up!

Bruno · 07-04-2003, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MiLo TurboNegro

The lazy people approve!

Kick-ass sites bro, as usual, and ive heard they convert
like fucking crazy!

BTW i need a caiphirinia refill! hook me up!

Thanks for the kind words Milo!!

Dude, I need to go to buenos aires again and send you a douzen bottles of Cachaça!!! Add lemon and sugar... and you will be all set!!

Take care,

Bruno

Jer · 07-04-2003, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bruno
Thanks for the kind words Milo!!

Dude, I need to go to buenos aires again and send you a douzen bottles of Cachaça!!! Add lemon and sugar... and you will be all set!!

Take care,

Bruno

I hope to go to Buenos Aires in July 2004 with my wife. I was going there last June for our honey moon, but she decided to not travel to anywhere. I would go in January... but the winter sounds better!

Posting the previews was a nice idea!

Jer

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-04-2003, 01:58 PM

Some of my best work...

Ummm.
No.

Jer · 07-04-2003, 02:03 PM

Hey Bruno, Ypioca (one of the best brands of Cachaça) is just a few km away from me now... too bad my wife doesnt want me drinking anything alcoholic!

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sextoyking Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, OR. Posts: 6,034	Wade, np at all. I know it's hard to reach the level webinc.com is at, but I give you a thumbs up for trying. Appreciate that great feedback on our 20,000 banners online. I sure do love the orginal work our team does. You will get there someday I suppose __________________ ICQ: 52344098 -------------------------------------- 50% Commissions on all Product Sales. http://www.wishing.com/money

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Wade Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 253	Todd you have always been blind to the quality of other designers, I still remember you thinking your designers were somehow better than MikeW. They weren't then and still aren't now. You really are kidding yourself to believe that your banners are 100% original. Yes the ones on the front page of your portfolio are, but the 1000's of others, well they often look very similar to each other. I know it, your clients know it, my clients know it, why dont you just admit it? Im not saying there is anything wrong with it, for $5 what do people really expect? If anyone wants us to do banners for your price and equal quality im more than happy to. __________________ www.BlueDesignStudios.com ICQ : 1380208 Email : [email protected]

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sextoyking Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, OR. Posts: 6,034	Wade. you must have me mixed up with someone else. I have always praised Mikew's work as a designer and as a person. That is why on the last last porn resource top designers list, well Mike came in #1 and we came in # 2. Of course we will always try for #1 On the banner thing, you can't touch us. Sure when people order 100 banners they can get them as low as around 5.00 or so each. Our work is superb, the customer gets nice work at a great price. We do around 400-500 Banners per week Wade, what can I say. Look around our portfolio, from paysite designs, to ads, to ezines, etc. It's all high quality. I see you have horsecocksex on your portfolio, good work, but I see our horsecocksex design on the paysite of cen?? __________________ ICQ: 52344098 -------------------------------------- 50% Commissions on all Product Sales. http://www.wishing.com/money

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Wade Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 253	No Todd I dont have you mixed up with someone else. This was a conversation we had on N3tpond about 2 years ago. They dont have a search funtion so I cant find it but I'm sure it could be found, also pretty sure MikeW and several others would remember this. Bosshawg hasnt updated his list for a year, so it bares little relevance today. I cant touch you on banners? Watch me. 400-500 banners a week at $5 a banner? $2-2.5k a week. Thats not much. As for CEN using your design and not ours, they have not released the site to webmasters yet, if you go to the domain you will see it doesnt have thier usual linking structure or any exit consoles yet. Also if you'd taken the time to do some more research you would see CEN has started offering their webmasters multiple versions of each tour. As have many other sponsors, most choosing to use a different designer for each version. JB referred to our horse cock sex design as "awesome" __________________ www.BlueDesignStudios.com ICQ : 1380208 Email : [email protected]

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sextoyking Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, OR. Posts: 6,034	Wade, I remember alot of design threads on the pond yrs. back. Me and Mike are cool and I always give him a thumbs up, thanks for your concearn though. don't worry what we do at webinc, just make sure to keep your 15 designers busy ok? Bed time for me. thanks for the chat, been awhile Todd __________________ ICQ: 52344098 -------------------------------------- 50% Commissions on all Product Sales. http://www.wishing.com/money

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