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AaronM · 07-01-2003, 12:00 PM

OK, So I admit that I do not know shit about TGP's and why they do the things they do.

Something kinda bothers me though....

If I pay for a listing then I should not have to click on my link 3 times to actually get to my gallery. First click went to another TGP...Closed it and clicked again...This click went to another sponsor....I am not pleased about this....And the 3rd attempt brought up the gallery.

WTF is the purpose of this? If I am paying for the listing then why steal the traffic from me?

Maybe I am missing a bigger picture here?

thekebie · 07-01-2003, 12:02 PM

I would be mad at them too. That is pretty lame.

BigFrog · 07-01-2003, 12:02 PM

hmmm
something like that would really piss me off.

Chris · 07-01-2003, 12:02 PM

who did that ?

Sly_RJ · 07-01-2003, 12:03 PM

I agree with you. I also think it's silly to have to place recips on galleries that you buy spots for.

ThePornGuy · 07-01-2003, 12:03 PM

That's why the listing was so cheap.

the Shemp · 07-01-2003, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM
OK, So I admit that I do not know shit about TGP's and why they do the things they do.

Something kinda bothers me though....

If I pay for a listing then I should not have to click on my link 3 times to actually get to my gallery. First click went to another TGP...Closed it and clicked again...This click went to another sponsor....I am not pleased about this....And the 3rd attempt brought up the gallery.

WTF is the purpose of this? If I am paying for the listing then why steal the traffic from me?

Maybe I am missing a bigger picture here?

Real TGPs dont do that.

picindex · 07-01-2003, 12:03 PM

that is fucked! paid listings should not be included in trades.

what TGP is it?

GotGauge · 07-01-2003, 12:04 PM

You are right,
If you have a Paid spot, then traffic should NOT be skimmed..

What I find interesting about tgp's, is the rules are all set,
so if a surfer click a link he/she gets the gallery stated, without pop ups. The TGP owners set these rules so the surfers won't get mad, but then they go and skim traffic, I click teens I want Teens dang it...

gothweb · 07-01-2003, 12:04 PM

Paid listings shouldn't be skimmed.

SGS · 07-01-2003, 12:07 PM

That sucks

Jakke PNG · 07-01-2003, 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by the Shemp

Real TGPs dont do that.

It's damn fucking hard to make a 'real' tgp. I have to admit, I've tried with no luck.

Tipsy · 07-01-2003, 12:08 PM

The problem is there because for some reason CJ and CJ2 sites suddenly found it embarrassing to call themselves circle jerk sites and started referring to themselves as TGP's. However, it doesn't matter how you try and package it a CJ site is still a CJ site.

I suppose if you do decide to buy a spot on a CJ site you're going to get what you pay for.

DJRCyberAVS · 07-01-2003, 12:08 PM

That's way fucked up.... which TGP is it so I know which one to slag off to my mates later?

the Shemp · 07-01-2003, 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by TeenGodFather

It's damn fucking hard to make a 'real' tgp. I have to admit, I've tried with no luck.

agreed, i was nothing until i met the time traveller.

EscortBiz · 07-01-2003, 12:10 PM

thats nuts who does that?

ThePornGuy · 07-01-2003, 12:11 PM

It's really subjective. What's the difference if your skimmed or not. You will get a certian amount f traffic and it either is or is not worth the amount you paid for it. I suspect you paid 10$ or less for a decent amount of traffic and even though you are skimmed, it is probbaly worth it.

Jakke PNG · 07-01-2003, 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by the Shemp

agreed, i was nothing until i met the time traveller.

I knew it!

Spunky · 07-01-2003, 12:14 PM

Thats bullshit..I would ask for your money back because depending on the skim you might get 1 hit out of 4.Then also depends on his script also because sometimes you click 10 times and get 10 differant trades if he owes them traffic.

SleazyDream · 07-01-2003, 12:19 PM

obviously AaronM you bought a listing on a REALLY CRAPPY TGP.

Quotealex · 07-01-2003, 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
obviously AaronM you bought a listing on a REALLY CRAPPY TGP.

You says it is a TGP?
A TGP that skim 1% to 100% is not a TGP but a CJ site.

Spunky · 07-01-2003, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by Alex from Montreal
You says it is a TGP?
A TGP that skim 1% to 100% is not a TGP but a CJ site.

Huh?..anything below 60% going to galleries is considered a CJ.Unless your doing hardlinks...how do you expect to trade traffic?

Jakke PNG · 07-01-2003, 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by spunky1

how do you expect to trade traffic?

Look at shemp.com

Spunky · 07-01-2003, 12:42 PM

Trading traffic isnt the problem...Thats why you have scripts to monitor it.

GoLiaT · 07-01-2003, 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by the Shemp

Real TGPs dont do that.

agree

Porndealer · 07-01-2003, 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by ThePornGuy
It's really subjective. What's the difference if your skimmed or not. You will get a certian amount f traffic and it either is or is not worth the amount you paid for it. I suspect you paid 10$ or less for a decent amount of traffic and even though you are skimmed, it is probbaly worth it.

Finally someone makes sense in this post... you're paying for traffic and you got traffic, I would rather pay for a surfer that has been jerked around with skimming because he might be bored with free porn by then. If you don't want your listing skimmed go to the hun...

eroswebmaster · 07-01-2003, 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by Porndealer

Finally someone makes sense in this post... you're paying for traffic and you got traffic, I would rather pay for a surfer that has been jerked around with skimming because he might be bored with free porn by then. If you don't want your listing skimmed go to the hun...

Well I think the problem goes deeper than that.

It depends upon what is claimed, or stated when the price was set.

I don't think people would have a problem with this if it were laid out in the terms, then they could make the decision to purchase a spot at that tgp or not.

I think to do otherwise *hide that they skim* is a little dishonest.

twistyneck · 07-01-2003, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by Porndealer

Finally someone makes sense in this post... you're paying for traffic and you got traffic, I would rather pay for a surfer that has been jerked around with skimming because he might be bored with free porn by then. If you don't want your listing skimmed go to the hun...

This makes a lot of sense. I really prefer traffic that has been scrubbed and beaten to death in a CJ over traffic that is clicking on something they want.

Drake · 07-01-2003, 01:03 PM

Which TGP was it?

Steve · 07-01-2003, 01:08 PM

Paid spots shouldn't be skimmed, IMHO. However, if the fact that the paid links *are* skimmed is stated before you buy, then you just missed it and cant complain. Honestly, I have made a lot of money off of skimmed links over the years. Hopefully you will still see a nice profit margin.

Quotealex · 07-01-2003, 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by spunky1

Huh?..anything below 60% going to galleries is considered a CJ.Unless your doing hardlinks...how do you expect to trade traffic?

If you skim (i.e. blind links), you are a CJ site period. You can trade thru top list and hardcoded links where surfers see where they are going.

Tipsy · 07-01-2003, 01:10 PM

Hmmm..a couple of replies I find odd. I've run and run TGPs/Cjs/whatever that skim heavily and some that dont skim at all and I'll take the unskimmed traffic any day of the week. I've always found it FAR more productive but obviously much slower and harder to build. Both have their uses though.

To each their own I suppose.

the Shemp · 07-01-2003, 01:12 PM

is it that difficult to list the paid spots before the skim links?

eroswebmaster · 07-01-2003, 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by the Shemp
is it that difficult to list the paid spots before the skim links?

No that would be too easy...LOL

Spunky · 07-01-2003, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by Alex from Montreal

If you skim (i.e. blind links), you are a CJ site period. You can trade thru top list and hardcoded links where surfers see where they are going.

You're full of shit.I have been in this bizz long enough to know what the fuck a TGP is. Your talking old school (hardlinks) You can call it what you want, but 95 % of the TGP's skim.They use a traffic trading script. Get your head out of your ass.

Quotealex · 07-01-2003, 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by spunky1

You're full of shit.I have been in this bizz long enough to know what the fuck a TGP is. Your talking old school (hardlinks) You can call it what you want, but 95 % of the TGP's skim.They use a traffic trading script. Get your head out of your ass.

There aren't TGP dude, just CJ sites labelling themselves TGPs. You can use trade scripts to track trades and use their top list function on your TGP site...

Tipsy · 07-01-2003, 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by the Shemp
is it that difficult to list the paid spots before the skim links?

I suppose they worry that productivity will drop.

I think to an extent the whole skimmed/unskiimed argument is pointless even if you are paying. You usually pay for exactly what you get. If the traffic makes you more than it costs then use it, if it doesn't then don't. If you don't like the idea of it being skimmed don't pay to be listed on a CJ site (and I'll argue with anyone that a 'TGP' that even skims on paid spots is a CJ site).

Personally I would never pay to be listed on a site with that type of traffic unless they could prove to me before hand that they somehow manage amazing conversions. As I stated before I find it converts far worse than traffic that trades with hard, non-blind links. I always find that sites that don't piss the surfer about ie hun, shemp etc convert far better and are the sites worth paying for.

boneprone · 07-01-2003, 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by the Shemp

Real TGPs dont do that.

Exactly.

Aaron, you are on the ball here.

If you PAY for a spot they really shouldnt be skimming you.

As for your galleries they kick ass, and Ill get the ones you sent me last week up!! Keep em comin. YOu shouldnt have to pay to get those listed anyhow, they should be posted upon regualr submission since they are so clean and quality natured.

Im sure if people like me and shemp like you galleries and will post them without hesitation, there will be many others here willing to do the same.

Dont pay for spots bro, especially if its some shitty place that skims even when you pay!

Lane · 07-01-2003, 01:19 PM

i don't see what's wrong with this.

if i was selling spots, i would tell you an estimate of how much traffic to the gallery you should expect, which i would see from my script stats.

nobody is stealing nobodies traffic, but the seller should state that the spot he is selling has skimming and what you would be buying is some XX% of the clicks that spot gets.

there is nothing wrong with the whole thing, but maybe the way the tgp owner markets the spot may just be unethical. (but sometimes they assume people know about these things, and they can simply check the url to see the % of skimming so they dont bother mentioning it during the sale, i dunno)

boneprone · 07-01-2003, 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by the Shemp
is it that difficult to list the paid spots before the skim links?

No.
ITs easy.. In fact with many scripts it is set up this way by default not to skim a submitted paid gallery.

Someone went out of thier way to do this im sure.

People like this, you wonder if any real traffic is even going to the gallery.

Spunky · 07-01-2003, 01:25 PM

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Originally posted by Alex from Montreal

There aren't TGP dude, just CJ sites labelling themselves TGPs. You can use trade scripts to track trades and use their top list function on your TGP site...

CJ= Circle Jerk,which means no fucking galleries period just trades
TGP= you get galleries (although some skim higher than others) usally between the 1 and 3 click.how the fuck is that a CJ?

You tell me what the fuck a TGP is?

Tipsy · 07-01-2003, 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by spunky1

CJ= Circle Jerk,which means no fucking galleries period just trades

Go read up on CJ2's. Seems the rules have relaxed a little in recent times but even so it blows that statement out of the water.

Porndealer · 07-01-2003, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by Alex from Montreal

If you skim (i.e. blind links), you are a CJ site period. You can trade thru top list and hardcoded links where surfers see where they are going.

Who made you king of porn?

Quotealex · 07-01-2003, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by spunky1

CJ= Circle Jerk,which means no fucking galleries period just trades
TGP= you get galleries (although some skim higher than others) usally between the 1 and 3 click.how the fuck is that a CJ?

You tell me what the fuck a TGP is?

If the surfer doesn't always go to what the link says or thumb shows, he is being jerked. Period.

Spunky · 07-01-2003, 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by Tipsy

Go read up on CJ2's. Seems the rules have relaxed a little in recent times but even so it blows that statement out of the water.

I'm talking CJs not CJ 2 or whatever shit you pull out of your ass.If you were around in the begining. The only way to trade was a hardlink and a manual toplist. Horrors... a site in order to get large traffic back has to fucking skim.If you think the surfer will just click on your toplist for you to only get traffic back, you have your head buried in the sand

Quotealex · 07-01-2003, 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by Porndealer

Who made you king of porn?

No one. I just find it odd webmasters are lying to themselves into thinking their CJ sites are TGPs.

Spunky · 07-01-2003, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by Alex from Montreal

If the surfer doesn't always go to what the link says or thumb shows, he is being jerked. Period.

Thats your opinion. Stay at 2 k then

Porndealer · 07-01-2003, 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by Alex from Montreal

If the surfer doesn't always go to what the link says or thumb shows, he is being jerked. Period.

Awww the poor little surfers

I've always said there's not enough free porn damnit

Spunky · 07-01-2003, 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by Alex from Montreal
No one. I just find it odd webmasters are lying to themselves into thinking their CJ sites are TGPs.

I will call my fucking site for what it is.

Quotealex · 07-01-2003, 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by spunky1

I'm talking CJs not CJ 2 or whatever shit you pull out of your ass.If you were around in the begining. The only way to trade was a hardlink and a manual toplist. Horrors... a site in order to get large traffic back has to fucking skim.If you think the surfer will just click on your toplist for you to only get traffic back, you have your head buried in the sand

Even in these days of CJ sites passing as TGPs, there are TGPs being created every day without the use of trading scripts. Yes the traffic grow slower and yes you have to work harder at it ...

07-01-2003, 12:00 PM	#1
AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	Paid TGP listings. WTF? OK, So I admit that I do not know shit about TGP's and why they do the things they do. Something kinda bothers me though.... If I pay for a listing then I should not have to click on my link 3 times to actually get to my gallery. First click went to another TGP...Closed it and clicked again...This click went to another sponsor....I am not pleased about this....And the 3rd attempt brought up the gallery. WTF is the purpose of this? If I am paying for the listing then why steal the traffic from me? Maybe I am missing a bigger picture here?

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picindex Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,038	that is fucked! paid listings should not be included in trades. what TGP is it? __________________ Good Content:

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GotGauge Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: USA Posts: 3,072	You are right, If you have a Paid spot, then traffic should NOT be skimmed.. What I find interesting about tgp's, is the rules are all set, so if a surfer click a link he/she gets the gallery stated, without pop ups. The TGP owners set these rules so the surfers won't get mad, but then they go and skim traffic, I click teens I want Teens dang it... __________________ ICQ 22264474 [email protected]

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thekebie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Hood of Burquitlam, BC Posts: 1,046	I would be mad at them too. That is pretty lame.

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BigFrog Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,057	hmmm something like that would really piss me off.

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ThePornGuy Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 275	That's why the listing was so cheap.

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Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	The problem is there because for some reason CJ and CJ2 sites suddenly found it embarrassing to call themselves circle jerk sites and started referring to themselves as TGP's. However, it doesn't matter how you try and package it a CJ site is still a CJ site. I suppose if you do decide to buy a spot on a CJ site you're going to get what you pay for. __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

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DJRCyberAVS Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: WeebleLand Posts: 493	That's way fucked up.... which TGP is it so I know which one to slag off to my mates later?

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ThePornGuy Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 275	It's really subjective. What's the difference if your skimmed or not. You will get a certian amount f traffic and it either is or is not worth the amount you paid for it. I suspect you paid 10$ or less for a decent amount of traffic and even though you are skimmed, it is probbaly worth it.

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Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,944	Thats bullshit..I would ask for your money back because depending on the skim you might get 1 hit out of 4.Then also depends on his script also because sometimes you click 10 times and get 10 differant trades if he owes them traffic. __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

07-01-2003, 12:19 PM	#20
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	obviously AaronM you bought a listing on a REALLY CRAPPY TGP. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

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Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,944	Trading traffic isnt the problem...Thats why you have scripts to monitor it. __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

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Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	Which TGP was it?

07-01-2003, 01:08 PM	#30
Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	Paid spots shouldn't be skimmed, IMHO. However, if the fact that the paid links are skimmed is stated before you buy, then you just missed it and cant complain. Honestly, I have made a lot of money off of skimmed links over the years. Hopefully you will still see a nice profit margin.

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Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	Hmmm..a couple of replies I find odd. I've run and run TGPs/Cjs/whatever that skim heavily and some that dont skim at all and I'll take the unskimmed traffic any day of the week. I've always found it FAR more productive but obviously much slower and harder to build. Both have their uses though. To each their own I suppose. __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

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the Shemp congrats to the winners Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Echo Beach Posts: 10,891	is it that difficult to list the paid spots before the skim links? __________________ i use Vacares...so should you Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

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Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	i don't see what's wrong with this. if i was selling spots, i would tell you an estimate of how much traffic to the gallery you should expect, which i would see from my script stats. nobody is stealing nobodies traffic, but the seller should state that the spot he is selling has skimming and what you would be buying is some XX% of the clicks that spot gets. there is nothing wrong with the whole thing, but maybe the way the tgp owner markets the spot may just be unethical. (but sometimes they assume people know about these things, and they can simply check the url to see the % of skimming so they dont bother mentioning it during the sale, i dunno) __________________