does anyone actually think newbies will ruin the industry? - GoFuckYourself.com

quiet · 06-26-2003, 11:46 PM

it's a poll, so you can be honest. are you really that threatened?

Amputate Your Head · 06-26-2003, 11:47 PM

lil2rich4u2's woman · 06-26-2003, 11:48 PM

Newbies rock! my baby is a newbie

Jakke PNG · 06-26-2003, 11:49 PM

Not necessarily newbies... idiots ruin this biz that come after easy money with no fucking clue, often known as newbies. Not all newbies are evil though, just like 95% imho. Also define newbie, I can be considered a newbie, I don't make $10k/month yet.

edit: see the post above mine.

lil2rich4u2 · 06-26-2003, 11:49 PM

SleazyDream · 06-26-2003, 11:50 PM

i'd say more than 3/4 of the real players out there base their BUSINESS on newbies with affiliate programs and other like business models.

Amputate Your Head · 06-26-2003, 11:53 PM

I don't mind n00bs.... in fact n00bs are a good thing.

it's the fucking dumb ass aggravating muther fuckers that couldn't learn a fucking recipe for a glass of milk that piss me off to no end.

fiveyes · 06-26-2003, 11:53 PM

I agree with SleazyDream. Anyone targetting surfers is using a business plan from the '90's.

Jakke PNG · 06-26-2003, 11:54 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
I don't mind n00bs.... in fact n00bs are a good thing.

it's the fucking dumb ass aggravating muther fuckers that couldn't learn a fucking recipe for a glass of milk that piss me off to no end.

agreed 100%

quiet · 06-26-2003, 11:55 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
I don't mind n00bs.... in fact n00bs are a good thing.

it's the fucking dumb ass aggravating muther fuckers that couldn't learn a fucking recipe for a glass of milk that piss me off to no end.

i sort of agree. the first part for sure. the second is basic entertainment.

06-26-2003, 11:57 PM

without newbies, we dont know how smart and talented we really are....
think about it, newbies are a virtue

SleazyDream · 06-26-2003, 11:58 PM

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Originally posted by fiveyes
I agree with SleazyDream. Anyone targetting surfers is using a business plan from the '90's.

i currently make about the same amount of money from targeting webmasters as targeting surfers.

but I have little tolerance for stupidity so I let cybercat handle all the webmaster work. if i had to do it I WOULDN'T do it. - simple as that. I get pissed off too easily.

quiet · 06-26-2003, 11:59 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

i currently make about the same amount of money from targeting webmasters as targeting surfers.

with your shotgun?

iwantchixx · 06-26-2003, 11:59 PM

I don't think newbs will ruin the biz. Either they learn quick and start pumping good traffic around and making money for themselves and all involved with them or they make fuckall and quit 3 months into it.

Amputate Your Head · 06-26-2003, 11:59 PM

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gettin' kinda loose here... giving away more info than I'm comfortable with

SleazyDream · 06-27-2003, 12:00 AM

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Originally posted by quiet

with your shotgun?

shotguns can shoot a single bullet if you have a clue..........

quiet · 06-27-2003, 12:01 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

shotguns can shoot a single bullet if you have a clue..........

shot guns with bullets.

timmahan · 06-27-2003, 12:01 AM

So I'm a newbie, and most of you guys get referal fees and overrides by linking me to Sponsor/Affilliates.

Show me some program/content that actual gets a 1:300 conversion rate or better and I'lk use your links

Tim

Brad Mitchell · 06-27-2003, 12:02 AM

This topic is laughable, I can't believe anyone is scared of newbies.

Amputate Your Head · 06-27-2003, 12:04 AM

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Originally posted by SinEmpire
This topic is laughable, I can't believe anyone is scared of newbies.

word...

it's not the newbs anyone should be scared of.... it's the guys that know what the hell they're doing that are fully capable of jacking you up that people should be scared of.

SleazyDream · 06-27-2003, 12:04 AM

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Originally posted by quiet

shot guns with bullets.

yep. (referred to as slugs) often used in hunting deer in wooded areas with much residental housing nearby. that bullet (slug) from a shotgun has about a 100 yard kill range but won't travel much more than 300 yards - unlike a rifle bullet that can travel several miles if one misses their taget and be a DANGER to residentual houseing and the like.

SleazyDream · 06-27-2003, 12:06 AM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

word...

it's not the newbs anyone should be scared of.... it's the guys that know what the hell they're doing that are fully capable of jacking you up that people should be scared of.

listen up folks - amp KNOWS what he's talking about here.

quiet · 06-27-2003, 12:08 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

yep. (referred to as slugs) often used in hunting deer in wooded areas with much residental housing nearby. that bullet (slug) from a shotgun has about a 100 yard kill range but won't travel much more than 300 yards - unlike a rifle bullet that can travel several miles if one misses their taget and be a DANGER to residentual houseing and the like.

are able to tell the difference when shot in the arm with either? put up or shut up.

iwantchixx · 06-27-2003, 12:08 AM

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Originally posted by timmahan
So I'm a newbie, and most of you guys get referal fees and overrides by linking me to Sponsor/Affilliates.

Show me some program/content that actual gets a 1:300 conversion rate or better and I'lk use your links

Tim

WHy would I do that. If I gave you a link to my 1:50 sponsor you would go sign up, not knowing what you are doing, and saturate that sponsor for 2 weeks. Effectively hurting a lot of people's bottom line. The 1.5 dollars per sale I would get from you is not worth it lol.

This is the only thing that does hurt the biz when it comes to newbies. Is they get greedy and saturate the fuck out of a sponsor until they give up.

Other than that ... newbs are nothing to be scared of.

iwantchixx · 06-27-2003, 12:09 AM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

word...

it's not the newbs anyone should be scared of.... it's the guys that know what the hell they're doing that are fully capable of jacking you up that people should be scared of.

true true.

SleazyDream · 06-27-2003, 12:09 AM

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Originally posted by quiet

are able to tell the difference when when shot in the arm with either? put up or shut up.

ummm, i'm the one who contended that i couldn't tell the difference..... - by your logic we should shoot YOU and see if YOU can tell the difference.

eroswebmaster · 06-27-2003, 12:10 AM

We're all "noobs" to some degree.

What do I mean?

This is an ever changing business.

What worked last year doesn't work this year. What works tomorrow won't work next week.

Standards change, formats change, faster connections, faster computers, different languages, different cultural markets.

As an adult webmaster you are in a constant state of adaptation, it's those who refuse to learn, or grow and stand still that die off.

Now don't get me wrong. There are of course many successful individuals who do the same thing today as they were doing 5 years ago, sticking with a plan that has shown them nothing but rewards.

Anyway just my opinion.

quiet · 06-27-2003, 12:10 AM

back to the topic. newbies - how important are they to new (and old) affilate programs?

SleazyDream · 06-27-2003, 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by quiet
back to the topic. newbies - how important are they to new (and old) affilate programs?

awww come on, can'nt we shoot you first?

quiet · 06-27-2003, 12:12 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

ummm, i'm the one who contended that i couldn't tell the difference..... - by your logic we should shoot YOU and see if YOU can tell the difference.

um, you are on crack. beer is my field. shot gun ammunition (apparently) is yours.

or maybe not.

Jakke PNG · 06-27-2003, 12:12 AM

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Originally posted by quiet
back to the topic. newbies - how important are they to new (and old) affilate programs?

They don't mean shit to me, yet. I don't think many newbies buy designs... atleast sofar my customers mainly know what they want.
When/if I launch an affiliate program I need to adjust my attitude.

quiet · 06-27-2003, 12:13 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

awww come on, can'nt we shoot you first?

pretty please ;)

Pornwolf · 06-27-2003, 12:13 AM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

Just_Dave · 06-27-2003, 12:15 AM

i dont think so

SomeCreep · 06-27-2003, 12:19 AM

Newbies suck. But if they're honest, willing to work hard, and have good ethics, then eventually these will be people who are a credit to the industry and could develop to be "big players". Unfortunately, a great majority of newbies just have intentions of cheating and spamming to see if they can make a quick buck and they do ruin things.

SleazyDream · 06-27-2003, 12:19 AM

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Originally posted by quiet

um, you are on crack. beer is my field. shot gun ammunition (apparently) is yours.

or maybe not.

man do you EVER wiggle and squirm when you're on a loosing slide.

for the record, I'm against handguns in total, as well as automatic weapons. I'm for rifles and shotguns but not for the same reasons as most people. My reasons in favor of them is political.

I know a bit about shotgun ammo cause although I'm against hunting in total I know it can't be stopped in my area. that being said I also know dozens and dozens of people with houses in rural areas with BULLET holes in their homes from stray rifle bullets. If these hunters used shotguns rather than rifles many many many fewer people's LIVES wouldn't be endangered. ( i even know people who have been SHOT by stray hunter bullets) Plus animals would be killed more hunamily as it would FORCE hunter to take closer shots (under 100 yards) which would be MORE accurate and more deadly and cause LESS wounded animals that get away as now many idiots try and kill deer at 600+ yards and just wound or miss them. Personally I don't like that much at all.

just my 2 pennies on that topic.

eroswebmaster · 06-27-2003, 12:22 AM

Growing up in Texas it was a big thing to fish and hunt.

Tried it. I can handle fishing, but after my first couple of hunting kills, couldn't do it anymore.

Yeah I'm a pussy.

I'll eat a big fat ol' steak as long as I don't have to whack the cow ;)

quiet · 06-27-2003, 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

man do you EVER wiggle and squirm when you're on a loosing slide.

for the record, I'm against handguns in total, as well as automatic weapons. I'm for rifles and shotguns but not for the same reasons as most people. My reasons in favor of them is political.

I know a bit about shotgun ammo cause although I'm against hunting in total I know it can't be stopped in my area. that being said I also know dozens and dozens of people with houses in rural areas with BULLET holes in their homes from stray rifle bullets. If these hunters used shotguns rather than rifles many many many fewer people's LIVES wouldn't be endangered. ( i even know people who have been SHOT by stray hunter bullets) Plus animals would be killed more hunamily as it would FORCE hunter to take closer shots (under 100 yards) which would be MORE accurate and more deadly and cause LESS wounded animals that get away as now many idiots try and kill deer at 600+ yards and just wound or miss them. Personally I don't like that much at all.

just my 2 pennies on that topic.

losing side of what?

you stated that all beer comes from the SAME grain. utter bullshit.

i don't pretend to be an expert on shot gun ammo.

i didn't loose (the correct word is 'lose') anything.

SleazyDream · 06-27-2003, 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster
Growing up in Texas it was a big thing to fish and hunt.

Tried it. I can handle fishing, but after my first couple of hunting kills, couldn't do it anymore.

Yeah I'm a pussy.

I'll eat a big fat ol' steak as long as I don't have to whack the cow ;)

agreed

eroswebmaster · 06-27-2003, 12:24 AM

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Originally posted by quiet

losing side of what?

you stated taht all beer comes from the grain. utter bullshit.

i don't pretend to be an expert on shot gun ammo.

i didn't loose (the correct word is 'lose') anything.

LOL I love the direction this thread is turning.

Why do we need to hate the noobs when we all turn on each other at some point

quiet · 06-27-2003, 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster

LOL I love the direction this thread is turning.

Why do we need to hate the noobs when we all turn on each other at some point

except that i love you

eroswebmaster · 06-27-2003, 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by quiet

except that i love you

oh man I'm blushing

SleazyDream · 06-27-2003, 12:26 AM

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Originally posted by quiet

losing side of what?

you stated that all beer comes from the grain. utter bullshit.

i don't pretend to be an expert on shot gun ammo.

i didn't loose (the correct word is 'lose') anything.

ohh come on, you're playing a semantics game with the grain issue wiggling and squirming your way out of it. everyone knows and can see that. if there's a difference in the grain then PROVE it - not with some pany abmy website reference, but by real world taste.

take my bet

SleazyDream · 06-27-2003, 12:27 AM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster

LOL I love the direction this thread is turning.

Why do we need to hate the noobs when we all turn on each other at some point

I'm not turning on quiet?

I'm TEASING and taunting him...............................

eroswebmaster · 06-27-2003, 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

I'm not turning on quiet?

I'm TEASING and taunting him...............................

LOL I know...I'm teasing you both

quiet · 06-27-2003, 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

ohh come on, you're playing a semantics game with the grain issue wiggling and squirming your way out of it. everyone knows and can see that. if there's a difference in the grain then PROVE it - not with some pany abmy website reference, but by real world taste.

take my bet

oh come now - do you need to respond to one of my posts. sit back for a couple of minutes. then produce an entirely new reply. LOL

You said that all beer was from the same grain. that was utter bullshit (proven). now you want to play some games. cause you feel bad about being shown the dirt.

fun.

SleazyDream · 06-27-2003, 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster

LOL I know...I'm teasing you both

ummm, no. you're annoying me.

eroswebmaster · 06-27-2003, 12:32 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

ummm, no. you're annoying me.

LOL you still angry?

Come on man, let's not hold grudges.

I'm not a bad guy, we didn't hang long enough at the show for you to really figure that out but ask Tom he'll vouch for me.

If you don't recall who I am, I'm the guy that was hanging with Aaron M and Charly and we all went looking for the space bulldog.

I had saved one of those little nerf rocket things to take home to my 11 year old niece and you broke it...LOL

I'm not mad at you

timmahan · 06-27-2003, 12:32 AM

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Originally posted by iwantchixx

WHy would I do that. If I gave you a link to my 1:50 sponsor you would go sign up, not knowing what you are doing, and saturate that sponsor for 2 weeks. Effectively hurting a lot of people's bottom line. The 1.5 dollars per sale I would get from you is not worth it lol.

This is the only thing that does hurt the biz when it comes to newbies. Is they get greedy and saturate the fuck out of a sponsor until they give up.

Other than that ... newbs are nothing to be scared of.

Maybe You wouldn't, but I see a lot of posts on this board that show a link to an Affiliate/Spnsor in their Logo. What's that about. Are threy just BS or are they wanting to push that Sponsor because it works and they make money too. Othrewise why the AD in the Logo??

WOW 1:50 I If that's for real, would be willing to to co/op share with you. BTW How does saturatation hurt the market? If it's that HOT there is room for more promo

Tim

quiet · 06-27-2003, 12:32 AM

i can make one post. and sleazy will post a reply. then think some more, and post another reply.

cool

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06-26-2003, 11:46 PM	#1
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	does anyone actually think newbies will ruin the industry? it's a poll, so you can be honest. are you really that threatened?

06-26-2003, 11:47 PM	#2
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	__________________ SIG TOO BIG

06-26-2003, 11:49 PM	#4
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	Not necessarily newbies... idiots ruin this biz that come after easy money with no fucking clue, often known as newbies. Not all newbies are evil though, just like 95% imho. Also define newbie, I can be considered a newbie, I don't make $10k/month yet. edit: see the post above mine. __________________ ..and I'm off.

06-26-2003, 11:49 PM	#5
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06-26-2003, 11:48 PM	#3
lil2rich4u2's woman So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 239	Newbies rock! my baby is a newbie

06-26-2003, 11:50 PM	#6
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	i'd say more than 3/4 of the real players out there base their BUSINESS on newbies with affiliate programs and other like business models. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

06-26-2003, 11:53 PM	#7
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	I don't mind n00bs.... in fact n00bs are a good thing. it's the fucking dumb ass aggravating muther fuckers that couldn't learn a fucking recipe for a glass of milk that piss me off to no end. __________________ SIG TOO BIG

06-26-2003, 11:53 PM	#8
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06-26-2003, 11:57 PM	#11
buddyjuf Guest Posts: n/a	without newbies, we dont know how smart and talented we really are.... think about it, newbies are a virtue

06-26-2003, 11:59 PM	#14
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	I don't think newbs will ruin the biz. Either they learn quick and start pumping good traffic around and making money for themselves and all involved with them or they make fuckall and quit 3 months into it.

06-27-2003, 12:01 AM	#18
timmahan Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: California Posts: 15	So I'm a newbie, and most of you guys get referal fees and overrides by linking me to Sponsor/Affilliates. Show me some program/content that actual gets a 1:300 conversion rate or better and I'lk use your links Tim

06-27-2003, 12:02 AM	#19
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,813	This topic is laughable, I can't believe anyone is scared of newbies. __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

06-27-2003, 12:10 AM	#27
eroswebmaster March 1st, 2003 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seat 4 @ Venetian Poker Room Posts: 20,295	We're all "noobs" to some degree. What do I mean? This is an ever changing business. What worked last year doesn't work this year. What works tomorrow won't work next week. Standards change, formats change, faster connections, faster computers, different languages, different cultural markets. As an adult webmaster you are in a constant state of adaptation, it's those who refuse to learn, or grow and stand still that die off. Now don't get me wrong. There are of course many successful individuals who do the same thing today as they were doing 5 years ago, sticking with a plan that has shown them nothing but rewards. Anyway just my opinion. __________________ For rent - ICQ 127-027-910 Click here for more details

06-27-2003, 12:15 AM	#34
Just_Dave Its almost time Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 13,009	i dont think so

06-27-2003, 12:19 AM	#35
SomeCreep :glugglug Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 26,118	Newbies suck. But if they're honest, willing to work hard, and have good ethics, then eventually these will be people who are a credit to the industry and could develop to be "big players". Unfortunately, a great majority of newbies just have intentions of cheating and spamming to see if they can make a quick buck and they do ruin things. __________________ Webair Hosting I use and recommend Webair for hosting.

06-27-2003, 12:22 AM	#37
eroswebmaster March 1st, 2003 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seat 4 @ Venetian Poker Room Posts: 20,295	Growing up in Texas it was a big thing to fish and hunt. Tried it. I can handle fishing, but after my first couple of hunting kills, couldn't do it anymore. Yeah I'm a pussy. I'll eat a big fat ol' steak as long as I don't have to whack the cow ;) __________________ For rent - ICQ 127-027-910 Click here for more details

06-27-2003, 12:32 AM	#50
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	i can make one post. and sleazy will post a reply. then think some more, and post another reply. cool