Trade Script Question (TTT) - GoFuckYourself.com

lil2rich4u2 · 06-27-2003, 11:39 AM

Just looking to get your opinion. I wont use my sig so you fuckers dont say this is a spam thread.

Lets say you have a trade sending 2k hits daily, and those 2k hits do 1k clicks. This means his traffic is 50% productive. You are returning lets say 100% hits to him, in this case 2k.

Do you keep the trade just because its a big number trade, or do you delete it since it will obviously eat up your good traffic?

I know what i would do, but was hoping to get some other opinions as well.

Or is there a way to make TTT trade based on productivity for indevidual trades and not just hits?

P.S i know all about the min prod and max prod buttons ... looking for other means.

Thanks.

lil2rich4u2's woman · 06-27-2003, 11:40 AM

Aww my baby is so sweet when he is thinking!

lil2rich4u2 · 06-27-2003, 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by lil2rich4u2's woman
Aww my baby is so sweet when he is thinking!

how the fuck did you get 194 posts in 2 days??

I post like a fucking madman and i cant even do that.

lil2rich4u2's woman · 06-27-2003, 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

how the fuck did you get 194 posts in 2 days??

I post like a fucking madman and i cant even do that.

Well sweety its very easy! I'll show you tonight!

lil2rich4u2 · 06-27-2003, 11:46 AM

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Originally posted by lil2rich4u2's woman

Well sweety its very easy! I'll show you tonight!

its becoming more and more evident that all you do is hit refresh on main board looking for new threads this way you can be the first reply on every single thread.

Its easy to know HOW to do it, but i have no idea what kind of person has that much time on his hands.

Choker · 06-27-2003, 11:48 AM

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Or is there a way to make TTT trade based on productivity for indevidual trades and not just hits?

It does this already man. Set the return to all your trades the same. In your settings, select "Only Allow Findtrades approved TGPs to sign up for new trades", select "use Findtrades Blacklist", input "delete trades that send less than 1 hit in". Then log out out of the script, do not log in again for at least 24 hours, and when you do login again, just click "Check Trades". Then log out again. Make galleries, more tgps, more sites. Stay out of the script. Let it do it's job. You are wasting valuable brain cells messing around with your trades so much, let the script do it's job. Use your time to make more sites, etc. TTT was designed to run itself without the webmaster doing anything. Let it do this.

lil2rich4u2's woman · 06-27-2003, 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

its becoming more and more evident that all you do is hit refresh on main board looking for new threads this way you can be the first reply on every single thread.

Its easy to know HOW to do it, but i have no idea what kind of person has that much time on his hands.

Im just a pretty girl

lil2rich4u2 · 06-27-2003, 11:53 AM

Choker,

Have you tested this on smaller sites? It sounds like it would work perfectly on a site that has enough traffic to go around ... but when you need to spread your hits evenly across all of your trades just to keep them alive, im not sure the script handles that well.

You mentioned to set it to "delete ...." will it delete the trade if they dont send the 1 hit per hour, or per 24hrs? That feature might be usefull, i plan to try it out on a few of my sites.

BTW wasting valuable braincells, i think thats the least of my worries at this stage of the game, lol

lil2rich4u2 · 06-27-2003, 11:55 AM

im also assuming you mean to remove the force on all trades ... i think we have debated this before, but im willing to give it a shot another time. Maybe i just had bad luck last time.

Also ... i usually set my trades to 1.10 return (110%), where your default is usually 1.30 (130%) ..... can you breifly explain the advantages or disadvantages of this?

Thanks for your time bud.

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lil2rich4u2's woman · 06-27-2003, 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by juicylinks
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Choker · 06-27-2003, 11:59 AM

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You mentioned to set it to "delete ...." will it delete the trade if they dont send the 1 hit per hour, or per 24hrs? That feature might be usefull, i plan to try it out on a few of my sites.

It will delete the trade if it does not send 1 hit in the last 24 hours, you can input whatever minimum hits you want, you can also just have it disable the trade if it does not send in the minimum. I prefer to delete them, they can sign back up again if they want to. And yes I have tried this on smaller sites and still use this method. I have like 30 TGPs I run TTT on, I spend a grand total of 30 minutes a day on all of them combined. I had TTT made the way I wanted. I do not want to have to spend time fucking around with trades. That is what the script is for.

Choker · 06-27-2003, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
im also assuming you mean to remove the force on all trades ... i think we have debated this before, but im willing to give it a shot another time. Maybe i just had bad luck last time.

Also ... i usually set my trades to 1.10 return (110%), where your default is usually 1.30 (130%) ..... can you breifly explain the advantages or disadvantages of this?

Thanks for your time bud.

there is really no reason to force to trades. I only put this feature in TTT because I knew most guys think they need it. 1.30 return is what you should try to return to your trades, this return if you can achieve it will make your site grow.

lil2rich4u2 · 06-27-2003, 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by Choker

there is really no reason to force to trades. I only put this feature in TTT because I knew most guys think they need it. 1.30 return is what you should try to return to your trades, this return if you can achieve it will make your site grow.

Ok i will try it one more time, not saying your wrong, but i remember i didnt have good results shutting off the force.

I remember thinking to myself "shit i hope it sends a fewe hits to xxxxx trade before they delete me" lol

But its cool, tonight i will make all these changes. Change it to 1.30 return to each, drop all my force, and play with the delete for min hits sent.

Wish me luck

easyfun · 06-27-2003, 12:31 PM

You should only need to force new trades, Rich. Once they establish - let the script run.
I think the free version takes up to a 1000 trades - Better to spend any free time trying to fill up that option!

Za Ha · 06-27-2003, 03:41 PM

I remember chocker saying several times not to fuck with the settings of any trade script.

BUT IMO THAT IS WRONG!

There are many things that a script cannot measure which only common sense and experience helps.

For example sending 100k to worldsex and getting bout 15-20k is better then sending 100k to sites and getting 100k back. (If you dont think so then you know why you have never made a big site before)

lil2rich4u2 · 06-27-2003, 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by Za Ha
sending 100k to worldsex and getting bout 15-20k is better then sending 100k to sites and getting 100k back.

If worldsex traffic is 500% productive, pure SE traffic, or converts anything you throw at it .... then you are right.

Otherwise not sure i see the logic in that.

Choker · 06-27-2003, 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by Za Ha
I remember chocker saying several times not to fuck with the settings of any trade script.

BUT IMO THAT IS WRONG!

There are many things that a script cannot measure which only common sense and experience helps.

For example sending 100k to worldsex and getting bout 15-20k is better then sending 100k to sites and getting 100k back. (If you dont think so then you know why you have never made a big site before)

TTT returns back based on the trades productivity, we did not even include the option to return based on any other method, because any other method is dumb IMO. I never said do not fuck with any trade scripts settings? They have to be adjsuted, I said to set every trade the same return, and leave the script alone. Changing forces and settings all the time does no good.

Za ha waht you are saying about world sex and another site, I guess you mean comparing the productivity. Here is how TTT decides what trades to send traffic back to:

Trade A you sent 1000 hits in the last 24 hours. He sent back 1000 hits that produced 1500 clicks on your site. So his Q factor is 1.50

Trade B you sent 500 hits to his site in the last 24 hours, he sent back 1000 hits that produced 1500 clicks on your site. His Q factor is 3.00

So trade B TTT would automatically send the most traffic back to.

See I think you need to consider how many hits you sent a trade versus how many clicks on your site his return traffic produced.

IE I had to send Trade A 1000 hits in order to get 1500 clicks from his traffic on my sites.

I had to send Trade B 500 hits in order to get 1500 Clicks from his traffic on my sites.

So by this formula Trade B is twice as good as Trade A.

TTT pretty much ignores hits in and works off of clicks on your site versus what you sent this trade in order to get those clicks from his traffic.

lil2rich4u2 · 06-27-2003, 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by Choker
Trade A you sent 1000 hits in the last 24 hours. He sent back 1000 hits that produced 1500 clicks on your site. So his Q factor is 1.50

Trade B you sent 500 hits to his site in the last 24 hours, he sent back 1000 hits that produced 1500 clicks on your site. His Q factor is 3.00

So trade B TTT would automatically send the most traffic back to.

See I think you need to consider how many hits you sent a trade versus how many clicks on your site his return traffic produced.

IE I had to send Trade A 1000 hits in order to get 1500 clicks from his traffic on my sites.

I had to send Trade B 500 hits in order to get 1500 Clicks from his traffic on my sites.

So by this formula Trade B is twice as good as Trade A.

TTT pretty much ignores hits in and works off of clicks on your site versus what you sent this trade in order to get those clicks from his traffic.

wow, nice explention and very good logic. Considering that logic, you are right ... technically by dropping ALL force and letting the script do its thing, that should grow the site ... providing you have enough traffic to jump start the entire process ( i would imagine)

thanks for the post, i will reference this in the future when i see similar questions.

lil2rich4u2 · 06-27-2003, 04:03 PM

Choker,

You suggested i have the script delete or disable trades that arent performing ...

If i go into settings and make that change, does it affect existing trades? Or only new ones?

Also, for the record ... one feature id love to see added would be a "Mass Edit" option.

Took me a while to change settings on all these trades, heh

Choker · 06-27-2003, 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
Choker,

You suggested i have the script delete or disable trades that arent performing ...

If i go into settings and make that change, does it affect existing trades? Or only new ones?

No, why delete a trade as long as he is sending traffic? The script will send him back what he deserves. I suggest make the settings delete any trade that does not send at least 1 hit in 24 hours. This will affect all trades btw, or you can set it to jsut diable them if you want. When they send a hit back in the script will re-enable the trade automatically. Either way you can set the script to take care of this for you.

rowan · 06-27-2003, 04:14 PM

Just an addition, if you're a bit nervous about the script auto-deleting trades (especially when there is no log - a small trade could sign up and then be auto-deleted without you ever knowing), set them to auto-DISABLE rather than delete. They won't get any traffic back but they'll still be in the system for you to see.

Choker · 06-27-2003, 04:54 PM

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Originally posted by rowan
Just an addition, if you're a bit nervous about the script auto-deleting trades (especially when there is no log - a small trade could sign up and then be auto-deleted without you ever knowing), set them to auto-DISABLE rather than delete. They won't get any traffic back but they'll still be in the system for you to see.

Very good point man. I use auto delete because I get tired of sites that signup and never send traffic. This way they are deleted and I don't have to worry about them.

Poundin · 06-27-2003, 05:27 PM

Choker
What about the turbo feature...can u explain the tactics?

It would be really nice

Za Ha · 06-27-2003, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker

TTT returns back based on the trades productivity, we did not even include the option to return based on any other method, because any other method is dumb IMO. I never said do not fuck with any trade scripts settings? They have to be adjsuted, I said to set every trade the same return, and leave the script alone. Changing forces and settings all the time does no good.

Za ha waht you are saying about world sex and another site, I guess you mean comparing the productivity. Here is how TTT decides what trades to send traffic back to:

Trade A you sent 1000 hits in the last 24 hours. He sent back 1000 hits that produced 1500 clicks on your site. So his Q factor is 1.50

Trade B you sent 500 hits to his site in the last 24 hours, he sent back 1000 hits that produced 1500 clicks on your site. His Q factor is 3.00

So trade B TTT would automatically send the most traffic back to.

See I think you need to consider how many hits you sent a trade versus how many clicks on your site his return traffic produced.

IE I had to send Trade A 1000 hits in order to get 1500 clicks from his traffic on my sites.

I had to send Trade B 500 hits in order to get 1500 Clicks from his traffic on my sites.

So by this formula Trade B is twice as good as Trade A.

TTT pretty much ignores hits in and works off of clicks on your site versus what you sent this trade in order to get those clicks from his traffic.

That formula is a stepping stone to start from but it just isnt that simple. Cause if it was then everyone would have sites over 200k

Scripts cannot tell you how many sales you from ppl that come from a trade or how many ppl click on your bookmark button.

Some sites (especially the new ones with like 300+ categories) have surfers in such a big CJ circle that they click again and again and they dont even take a second to stop and see what is on your site.

Someones prod my be 300% but a 200% might be better... thats where the men are seperated from the boys ;)

Chocker, your method is really good and your network is proof that works but it easier said then done ;)

Just wanted to add my

Za Ha · 06-27-2003, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by Poundin
Choker
What about the turbo feature...can u explain the tactics?

It would be really nice

That is the best thing ever invented!!!! Use it in moderation and use it often and you will grow like nothing before!!

BTW CHOCKER:

Are there any plans for a pay version of your script (i want the TTT with no 1%) in the future?

Choker · 06-27-2003, 06:17 PM

Well of course that is not all there is to it. The most important part is that you return at least 120% or 1.20 back to your trades. 130% is great. That is the only way your site will grow, if you send back more than you get in.

OzKaNoz · 06-27-2003, 07:58 PM

Great post guys.

Oz

lil2rich4u2 · 06-27-2003, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Poundin
Choker
What about the turbo feature...can u explain the tactics?

It would be really nice

As i understand it (and experience it) ...

With a trade in turbo and the script in turbo mode, that trade(s) will get an extra hit when there is no other trades STARVING for a hit, or the force is fully met.

I only started using it recently and i find it handy to quickly throw hits at a new trade to jump it off ...

im prolly wrong, but oh well, lol

lil2rich4u2 · 06-27-2003, 08:57 PM

Choker this is what i mean about removing the force on trades ....

hour-
in 10
out 30
clicks 4
prod 40%
return 300%

24hr-
in 248
out 223
clicks 188
prod 75.8%
return 89.9%

And yet some other trades got maybe 1 or 2 hits to them where maybe if i sent them 5 or 10 they would grow a bit ...

Why would the script dump hits to this site?

lil2rich4u2 · 06-27-2003, 09:00 PM

Here is another that got the same treatment .. there are many:

hr-
in 6
out 13
clicks 0
prod 0%
return 216.7%

24hr-
in 269
out 247
clicks 185
prod 68.8%
return 91.8%

Is it simply because i have not yet met the 130% return? Either way, this is why keeping a force would help ... i wouldnt be feeding these non productive trades, and instead possibly growing a smaller trade ...

i think

Fuckin Bill · 06-27-2003, 09:29 PM

Set the return ratio lower for sites that have a consistant low productivity and that won't happen. Setting forces to other sites is not the way to solve that problem.

Choker · 06-27-2003, 09:31 PM

It sounds like you do not have enough trades, if you have 1 or 2 big ones, TTT cannot send them enough hits, because it only sends uniques to trades, so if you have one or 2 trades sending you the most traffic, they will not be sent back the same surfers, so ttt goes to the next trade down on the list.

easyjesus · 06-29-2003, 09:30 AM

I tried all of this and it killed my site! Was at 8-10K a day, and now its just above 2K, using the "dont force, remove trades etc"

06-27-2003, 11:39 AM	#1
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	Trade Script Question (TTT) Just looking to get your opinion. I wont use my sig so you fuckers dont say this is a spam thread. Lets say you have a trade sending 2k hits daily, and those 2k hits do 1k clicks. This means his traffic is 50% productive. You are returning lets say 100% hits to him, in this case 2k. Do you keep the trade just because its a big number trade, or do you delete it since it will obviously eat up your good traffic? I know what i would do, but was hoping to get some other opinions as well. Or is there a way to make TTT trade based on productivity for indevidual trades and not just hits? P.S i know all about the min prod and max prod buttons ... looking for other means. Thanks.

06-27-2003, 11:55 AM	#9
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	im also assuming you mean to remove the force on all trades ... i think we have debated this before, but im willing to give it a shot another time. Maybe i just had bad luck last time. Also ... i usually set my trades to 1.10 return (110%), where your default is usually 1.30 (130%) ..... can you breifly explain the advantages or disadvantages of this? Thanks for your time bud. __________________ HEY!! Unbeatable hosting! Customer service is top notch! --> ISPrime <-- Do a search on any board, their reputation is rock solid .. for years!!

06-27-2003, 12:31 PM	#15
easyfun Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 731	You should only need to force new trades, Rich. Once they establish - let the script run. I think the free version takes up to a 1000 trades - Better to spend any free time trying to fill up that option! __________________ <p><embed width="120" height="60" src="http://www.harlotcash.com/harlot_3.swf"><br> </p>

06-27-2003, 04:03 PM	#20
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	Choker, You suggested i have the script delete or disable trades that arent performing ... If i go into settings and make that change, does it affect existing trades? Or only new ones? Also, for the record ... one feature id love to see added would be a "Mass Edit" option. Took me a while to change settings on all these trades, heh __________________ HEY!! Unbeatable hosting! Customer service is top notch! --> ISPrime <-- Do a search on any board, their reputation is rock solid .. for years!!

06-27-2003, 06:17 PM	#27
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	Well of course that is not all there is to it. The most important part is that you return at least 120% or 1.20 back to your trades. 130% is great. That is the only way your site will grow, if you send back more than you get in. __________________ ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466 Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/ Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers. http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

06-27-2003, 11:40 AM	#2
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06-27-2003, 11:53 AM	#8
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	Choker, Have you tested this on smaller sites? It sounds like it would work perfectly on a site that has enough traffic to go around ... but when you need to spread your hits evenly across all of your trades just to keep them alive, im not sure the script handles that well. You mentioned to set it to "delete ...." will it delete the trade if they dont send the 1 hit per hour, or per 24hrs? That feature might be usefull, i plan to try it out on a few of my sites. BTW wasting valuable braincells, i think thats the least of my worries at this stage of the game, lol

06-27-2003, 11:58 AM	#10
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	Why do women hit on me and only use me for my patented doggystyle techniques?

06-27-2003, 03:41 PM	#16
Za Ha Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Still lost Posts: 5,112	I remember chocker saying several times not to fuck with the settings of any trade script. BUT IMO THAT IS WRONG! There are many things that a script cannot measure which only common sense and experience helps. For example sending 100k to worldsex and getting bout 15-20k is better then sending 100k to sites and getting 100k back. (If you dont think so then you know why you have never made a big site before)

06-27-2003, 04:14 PM	#22
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Just an addition, if you're a bit nervous about the script auto-deleting trades (especially when there is no log - a small trade could sign up and then be auto-deleted without you ever knowing), set them to auto-DISABLE rather than delete. They won't get any traffic back but they'll still be in the system for you to see.

06-27-2003, 05:27 PM	#24
Poundin Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 292	Choker What about the turbo feature...can u explain the tactics? It would be really nice

06-27-2003, 07:58 PM	#28
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06-27-2003, 08:57 PM	#30
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	Choker this is what i mean about removing the force on trades .... hour- in 10 out 30 clicks 4 prod 40% return 300% 24hr- in 248 out 223 clicks 188 prod 75.8% return 89.9% And yet some other trades got maybe 1 or 2 hits to them where maybe if i sent them 5 or 10 they would grow a bit ... Why would the script dump hits to this site? __________________ HEY!! Unbeatable hosting! Customer service is top notch! --> ISPrime <-- Do a search on any board, their reputation is rock solid .. for years!!

06-27-2003, 09:00 PM	#31
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	Here is another that got the same treatment .. there are many: hr- in 6 out 13 clicks 0 prod 0% return 216.7% 24hr- in 269 out 247 clicks 185 prod 68.8% return 91.8% Is it simply because i have not yet met the 130% return? Either way, this is why keeping a force would help ... i wouldnt be feeding these non productive trades, and instead possibly growing a smaller trade ... i think __________________ HEY!! Unbeatable hosting! Customer service is top notch! --> ISPrime <-- Do a search on any board, their reputation is rock solid .. for years!!

06-27-2003, 09:29 PM	#32
Fuckin Bill Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,020	Set the return ratio lower for sites that have a consistant low productivity and that won't happen. Setting forces to other sites is not the way to solve that problem.

06-27-2003, 09:31 PM	#33
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	It sounds like you do not have enough trades, if you have 1 or 2 big ones, TTT cannot send them enough hits, because it only sends uniques to trades, so if you have one or 2 trades sending you the most traffic, they will not be sent back the same surfers, so ttt goes to the next trade down on the list. __________________ ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466 Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/ Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers. http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

06-29-2003, 09:30 AM	#34
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