omg this thread is getting ugly lol

BTW choker, any chance of implementing the topic problem into a newer version of TTT?

Just a thought, maybe toss it by your programmer or something.

No need to be sorry. who is griffin? who is ppk? these guys are choker asshats :1orglaugh

The only thing that's the same is the "look" of the back/front end...what ever you want to call it. It was done to draw attention. We know that we're safe. The code is legit, and if they want to come after us for copying some html tables...be my guest. If they do, it's because they know they have no leg to stand on. In the end it all comes down to the code. They can pick thru it and make it a chore or count line numbers and see that they don't come close to matching up.

Why is it that Choker is unwilling to do the work needed to protect his code? (ie. encoding it, persuing legal avenues) Why else would Choker resort to the tactics he's uses? Threats, bully other webmasters?

Why? Because there's nothing he can do about it. It's different source code, released to the public, with a new license. It'll hold up.

I hope that those hosting companies will do the right thing and weigh all the evidece before shutting those sites down.

We can provide everything they need to make a reasonable judgement, and hopefully unbiased judgement.

Extortion and slander in one post. :thumbsup to that one.

OK, here we go on out.php.

Identical sql queries in the out.php's

<font size="5">

ENOUGH???

Hey candyfuck, http://www.killerpeach.com/ is yours also??

Post the both complete versions of both pages. Like I said, one is quite a bit larger than the other. I just now counted the lines and did a quick glance to make my point. I'd have to guess that a mysqy query is a pretty standard thing. There are only so many ways to connect to the database and pull in the info from it.

Of course it's bigger your boy added more shit to it, does not excuse the fact that he is using the original TTT code. Do you really think that people here are that dumb that they do not see this? You are one dumb thief.

:eek7

http://bbs.icefire.org/viewtopic.php?t=13

Your boy admits in his own BBS it is a rewrite of TTT.

we all waiting php guru's be the judge :thumbsup
anyone around ?

id like to hear a programmers perspective as well.

Candyflip




Ring a bell ?


Its just one of many reasons why people should not be using your rip.

Post it again all you want. He used a mysql query that you did, and probably one that a million other people have used as well. I know very little php/mysql, and that's one thing that I do know. The core function, which is what you have a right to protect is not TTT code. You can't argue that html tables and mysql queries constitute stolen code.

You've mentioned that he said it was a rewrite before. I've told you that this was just a simple case of someone not speaking their native tongue and using the wrong words.

10 people can tell me we're stealing from you, and 10 can tell me we're not. I don't give a shit what either side thinks...because I know where we stand. It's up to you to prove it.

Please continue to act like a spoiled child who isn't getting what he wants. You're quite entertaining.

TTT is much more than a free script. I have busted my ass and put a lot of time and money into it and the findtrades blacklist database. The net effect is that it makes trading a lot less hassle. The amount of cheaters in the system is almost ZERO. I expect guys to copy my ideas and become competition and that is fine, but to outright steal my code is total bullshit. Now Candyflip and his coder boy are fast trying to change the script to make it not resemble TTT source code, but the evidence is there and easy to see, hell the coder even admitted to this openly many times. What more evidence is needed?

nope. I didn't write the code.

:1orglaugh

Dude, we haven't changed anything. The code is the same as it has been since we put it up for download. Hop down off of that high horse. The code is legit...I can't say much more than that. This code base will continue to be maintained and updated well after the release of the next version. We're not trying to hide anything...if we were do you think we'd be discussing it here.

if you want a custom script to do that let me know I can code it for you.

Again...he said rewrite. Bad choice of words considering...I'll give you that one. If you want to go after him because english isn't his first language...go for it. :1orglaugh

:Graucho

Choker...if you'd like to discuss this I'm willing to chat via ICQ. Add me to your list and we can talk...maybe work out some sort of arrangement, who knows. I'm gonna hit the sack for the night. This pissing has tired me out.

I'm haven't hid and have nothing to hide.

ICQ 278 138509

you mean to tell me this has been going on all this time, and you guys havent even discussed it in private yet?!

wtf kind of an assbackwards style of working is this, lol

I am an experienced PHP programmer. I am 100% sure that cjoverkill copied a majority of TTT.

I posted examples of identical sql queries, one including identical logic. And sql queries are not generic.

What's to discuss? Fucker stole my code, everyone knows it and now he is going to pay the piper. I do not talk to thieves or cheaters. Let me go break in your house, steal your stereo, then call you to discuss it with you. LOL Does'nt work that way.

Fuck YOU. I will be discussing it with a few hosts. You think you can steal my shit then try to "negotiate" with me about it????????? You have got to be dumber than I thought. I am not about to negotiate with a thief like you.

Whee this fucker is using your galleries on http://www.killerpeach.com/

Just like I told Kimmykim, I hate Backovs fucking guts but when it comes to cheaters I do communicate with them as this affects us all.

griffin nothing against you, but id like to hear another programmers POV ...

simply because from the beginning it seemed as if you and choker were buddies.

Id like to hear from a neutral party if possible ....

I am not Chokers buddy. I barely know even who he is.

I wasn't planning to negotiate anything. I was hoping to talk to you man to man...but we all know you're not capable of that. I have no need to negotiate, we're not doing anything wrong. I was simply hoping to hash things out with you now, sooner than later.

I plan to talk to a few of these host as well tomorrow, and will present my side. If any host will term someone for using a script that looks similar to another, based just on what you have to say...that's pretty sad.

I've spoken to a few more capable coders...and for your claim to have any basis, our code MUST BE 100% identical to yours. That is from the programming community. 119 not = 273

hey i've got an idea boys.....

Both of you send me a free copy of your program and i'll read the code line for line and make notes with little hearts beside the similarities. *I'm thinking I might have either carpal tunnel or a heart "attack" by the time i'm done*:Graucho

I'm not cheating weee. Those galleries get about 300 clicks a day. He can cancel my account if he wants. I've been honest with him and have spoken with him in the past about our gallery program.

Weee, please do take a look at the code. In order for Choker's claim to hold...our source code must be 100% identical to his. Someone even mentioned to me that it must be identical even down to indentations. CJOverkill is a far superior script.

If Choker wants...he can copy ours. We're gonna be watching to see if he does :Graucho

Dchottie the code for both is available for download on their respective sites. That is how I got it.

Similarities won't cut it. It has to be a 100% copy. Function for function. Here's a start...from ttt-out.php and out.php:

CJOverkill:



from Turbo Traffic Trader:

Candyflip your just ignorant on programming.

Both scripts contain the excact same crappy coding.

Umm thanks I guess. See here is the sad part, this kid does seem to know his shit. Instead of making a script from scratch he simply changed mine around and the admin, hell it looks exactly like TTT. Instead of riding my coat tails he chose this route. If the guy is such a great coder why does he do shit like this? I just agreed on a $3k coding job this guy could have done for me. But would I trust a thief? NEVER. Thieves always get what they deserve in the end.

I might ignornant when it comes to coding, but I can tell when two things aren't the same. This is about laws...I don't make them, I just adhere to them. In order for Choker to claim the we have stolen and reproduced his script...he has to prove that we've take his code a replicated it. That means it has to be 100% identical. I've just posted one function from each that is suppossed to complete the same task.

Both are different, and both go about it in different ways. Choker's claim will not hold up in a court of law. Which is why he isn't "wasting money" on hiring a lawyer to sort this out. He knows that any lawyer he brings this two will take his money and tell him the same thing.

We've done our homework. Have you?

You could have offered him $30k and he would have laughed in your face. He's not a big Choker fan. The script looks the way it does foes a reason...we've gotten attention out of it. The code isn't the same no matter which way you look at it. You lose man.

Your threats and slander have been noted and documented. Any action from you will be met accordingly.

LOL, Look thief, what part of this can you not understand??

What legal action can be taken against a kid in Madrid Spain hosting his sites on his home computers? You think I am going to waste thousands of dollars just to get him served? I would not grant you that satisfaction. Like I said host that site on a real host and watch what happens.

You can say I am a bully, acting like a kid that does not get his way, whatever you want you can say if it makes you feel justified in stealing others work. Bottom line is that you will go down.

We're not going anywhere :Graucho

There won't be anything to twist your panties in a couple of weeks. Our admin...will look a whole lot different...just for you.

If you'd like, you can use CJOverkill code for some ideas on how you can improve your script. I don't think that you'll be able to plug them right in...becuase of the different codebase and all :1orglaugh

By open chosing not to protect your code and enforce your copyrights, you could be subject to forfiture. Thinking about it is one thing, but posting on a message board that you're not actively doing so is another.

You have my information now, so please forward me any and all proof that we are in violation of your copyrights and we can go from there. You have yet to do so in a legal, business like manner.

Before going to anyone, host, sponsor or otherwise...I would expect this. If it doesn't happen...you are slandering our operation.

Again...it has been 2 weeks since we last had words. Nothing has changed since then. The script is being download more than ever and people are definitely using it.