we all waiting php guru's be the judge :thumbsup
anyone around ?

id like to hear a programmers perspective as well.

Candyflip




Ring a bell ?


Its just one of many reasons why people should not be using your rip.

Post it again all you want. He used a mysql query that you did, and probably one that a million other people have used as well. I know very little php/mysql, and that's one thing that I do know. The core function, which is what you have a right to protect is not TTT code. You can't argue that html tables and mysql queries constitute stolen code.

You've mentioned that he said it was a rewrite before. I've told you that this was just a simple case of someone not speaking their native tongue and using the wrong words.

10 people can tell me we're stealing from you, and 10 can tell me we're not. I don't give a shit what either side thinks...because I know where we stand. It's up to you to prove it.

Please continue to act like a spoiled child who isn't getting what he wants. You're quite entertaining.

TTT is much more than a free script. I have busted my ass and put a lot of time and money into it and the findtrades blacklist database. The net effect is that it makes trading a lot less hassle. The amount of cheaters in the system is almost ZERO. I expect guys to copy my ideas and become competition and that is fine, but to outright steal my code is total bullshit. Now Candyflip and his coder boy are fast trying to change the script to make it not resemble TTT source code, but the evidence is there and easy to see, hell the coder even admitted to this openly many times. What more evidence is needed?

nope. I didn't write the code.

:1orglaugh

Dude, we haven't changed anything. The code is the same as it has been since we put it up for download. Hop down off of that high horse. The code is legit...I can't say much more than that. This code base will continue to be maintained and updated well after the release of the next version. We're not trying to hide anything...if we were do you think we'd be discussing it here.

if you want a custom script to do that let me know I can code it for you.

Again...he said rewrite. Bad choice of words considering...I'll give you that one. If you want to go after him because english isn't his first language...go for it. :1orglaugh

:Graucho

Choker...if you'd like to discuss this I'm willing to chat via ICQ. Add me to your list and we can talk...maybe work out some sort of arrangement, who knows. I'm gonna hit the sack for the night. This pissing has tired me out.

I'm haven't hid and have nothing to hide.

ICQ 278 138509

you mean to tell me this has been going on all this time, and you guys havent even discussed it in private yet?!

wtf kind of an assbackwards style of working is this, lol

I am an experienced PHP programmer. I am 100% sure that cjoverkill copied a majority of TTT.

I posted examples of identical sql queries, one including identical logic. And sql queries are not generic.

What's to discuss? Fucker stole my code, everyone knows it and now he is going to pay the piper. I do not talk to thieves or cheaters. Let me go break in your house, steal your stereo, then call you to discuss it with you. LOL Does'nt work that way.

Fuck YOU. I will be discussing it with a few hosts. You think you can steal my shit then try to "negotiate" with me about it????????? You have got to be dumber than I thought. I am not about to negotiate with a thief like you.

Whee this fucker is using your galleries on http://www.killerpeach.com/

Just like I told Kimmykim, I hate Backovs fucking guts but when it comes to cheaters I do communicate with them as this affects us all.

griffin nothing against you, but id like to hear another programmers POV ...

simply because from the beginning it seemed as if you and choker were buddies.

Id like to hear from a neutral party if possible ....

I am not Chokers buddy. I barely know even who he is.

I wasn't planning to negotiate anything. I was hoping to talk to you man to man...but we all know you're not capable of that. I have no need to negotiate, we're not doing anything wrong. I was simply hoping to hash things out with you now, sooner than later.

I plan to talk to a few of these host as well tomorrow, and will present my side. If any host will term someone for using a script that looks similar to another, based just on what you have to say...that's pretty sad.

I've spoken to a few more capable coders...and for your claim to have any basis, our code MUST BE 100% identical to yours. That is from the programming community. 119 not = 273

hey i've got an idea boys.....

Both of you send me a free copy of your program and i'll read the code line for line and make notes with little hearts beside the similarities. *I'm thinking I might have either carpal tunnel or a heart "attack" by the time i'm done*:Graucho

I'm not cheating weee. Those galleries get about 300 clicks a day. He can cancel my account if he wants. I've been honest with him and have spoken with him in the past about our gallery program.

Weee, please do take a look at the code. In order for Choker's claim to hold...our source code must be 100% identical to his. Someone even mentioned to me that it must be identical even down to indentations. CJOverkill is a far superior script.

If Choker wants...he can copy ours. We're gonna be watching to see if he does :Graucho

Dchottie the code for both is available for download on their respective sites. That is how I got it.

Similarities won't cut it. It has to be a 100% copy. Function for function. Here's a start...from ttt-out.php and out.php:

CJOverkill:



from Turbo Traffic Trader:

Candyflip your just ignorant on programming.

Both scripts contain the excact same crappy coding.

Umm thanks I guess. See here is the sad part, this kid does seem to know his shit. Instead of making a script from scratch he simply changed mine around and the admin, hell it looks exactly like TTT. Instead of riding my coat tails he chose this route. If the guy is such a great coder why does he do shit like this? I just agreed on a $3k coding job this guy could have done for me. But would I trust a thief? NEVER. Thieves always get what they deserve in the end.

I might ignornant when it comes to coding, but I can tell when two things aren't the same. This is about laws...I don't make them, I just adhere to them. In order for Choker to claim the we have stolen and reproduced his script...he has to prove that we've take his code a replicated it. That means it has to be 100% identical. I've just posted one function from each that is suppossed to complete the same task.

Both are different, and both go about it in different ways. Choker's claim will not hold up in a court of law. Which is why he isn't "wasting money" on hiring a lawyer to sort this out. He knows that any lawyer he brings this two will take his money and tell him the same thing.

We've done our homework. Have you?

You could have offered him $30k and he would have laughed in your face. He's not a big Choker fan. The script looks the way it does foes a reason...we've gotten attention out of it. The code isn't the same no matter which way you look at it. You lose man.

Your threats and slander have been noted and documented. Any action from you will be met accordingly.

LOL, Look thief, what part of this can you not understand??

What legal action can be taken against a kid in Madrid Spain hosting his sites on his home computers? You think I am going to waste thousands of dollars just to get him served? I would not grant you that satisfaction. Like I said host that site on a real host and watch what happens.

You can say I am a bully, acting like a kid that does not get his way, whatever you want you can say if it makes you feel justified in stealing others work. Bottom line is that you will go down.

We're not going anywhere :Graucho

There won't be anything to twist your panties in a couple of weeks. Our admin...will look a whole lot different...just for you.

If you'd like, you can use CJOverkill code for some ideas on how you can improve your script. I don't think that you'll be able to plug them right in...becuase of the different codebase and all :1orglaugh

By open chosing not to protect your code and enforce your copyrights, you could be subject to forfiture. Thinking about it is one thing, but posting on a message board that you're not actively doing so is another.

You have my information now, so please forward me any and all proof that we are in violation of your copyrights and we can go from there. You have yet to do so in a legal, business like manner.

Before going to anyone, host, sponsor or otherwise...I would expect this. If it doesn't happen...you are slandering our operation.

Again...it has been 2 weeks since we last had words. Nothing has changed since then. The script is being download more than ever and people are definitely using it.

Court is a funny thing, I agree it could go either way.

But what is also agreeable is that cjoverkill is nearly a wholesale copy of ttt. Sure cjoverkill added some features, fixed a few bugs, and shuffled some code around.

Any decent PHP programmer who looks at the source code of both will be able to find identical code, minus the extra whitespace, captical OR's and newlines added in.

But any decent programmer knows that in order for us to have infringed any copyright...we must have produced an exact replica. The fact the the code is not 100% identical coupled with the fact that Choker has means to protect his code but chooses not to...would more than likely result in a ruling in our favor.

We don't deny that CJOverkill looks like TTT. I've mentioned that we did that for a reason, and we had the expected results. Just because two things look the same...doesn't mean that they are.

I'm going to bed. I tried to a while ago...but couldn't pull myself away.

I've seen both scripts.

There is definitely a lot of copy-pasting and code reediting involved. It's ridiculously obvious. Even the file structure is extremely similar, while no other scripts that I know of have such similarities in that area.

Just my observation.

Copied code in trade.php (cjoverkill) and in ttt-webmaster.php (ttt)

<font size="5">
Interesting, they even use the same print_error() function. And they its EXCACTLY the same in both, it follows.

</font>

those are EXCACTLY the same.

NO you are wrong. Maybe you should follow the 3 billion dollar lawsuit SCO has filed against IBM. If you copy any fraction of code you do not have a license to, you have violated the law.

can you imagine having a $3 mil lawsuit on you, and in your heart you know your guilty???

how the fuck would you sleep at night, lol

Thanks for your observation. But again, from what I'm told...In order to say we're violating his copyright, we have to be offering his product in 100% identical form. That is to say he even has a copyright. He has my information, and I've asked for proof that we have done so.

It's my belief that because Choker is unwilling to do so, that we're not in violation of anything. I'm going on the advice of my attorney...not just pulling this out of my ass.

We are not doing so, so it ends there.

For example:

I copyright this paragraph:

Traffic trading is important to the life of your TGP. A script to count traffic in and traffic out will do the trick.

Someone elses puts this out:

Traffic trading is the soul of your TGP. A program to count traffic coming in and traffic going out should do the job.

Both are similar. They have the same structure, use a lot of the same words. But guess what...they're not the same. Any 5 year old reading Dr. Seuss could figure that one out.

I can see why Choker would be pissed. There's a better script that has the same features as his (and other scripts...like yours, Lane) as well as a host of other new functions. People use it, he loses traffic. But he has no ground to stand on when it comes to this copyright infringment. Instead refuses to use the proper channels and resorts to threats, slandor, and extortion.

Still trying to get out of here and get into bed.

The first CDROM (and general net-wide) distribution was FreeBSD 1.0, released in December of 1993. This was based on the 4.3BSD-Lite (``Net/2'') tape from U.C. Berkeley, with many components also provided by 386BSD and the Free Software Foundation. It was a fairly reasonable success for a first offering, and we followed it with the highly successful FreeBSD 1.1 release in May of 1994.

Around this time, some rather unexpected storm clouds formed on the horizon as Novell and U.C. Berkeley settled their long-running lawsuit over the legal status of the Berkeley Net/2 tape. A condition of that settlement was U.C. Berkeley's concession that large parts of Net/2 were ``encumbered'' code and the property of Novell, who had in turn acquired it from AT&T some time previously. What Berkeley got in return was Novell's ``blessing'' that the 4.4BSD-Lite release, when it was finally released, would be declared unencumbered and all existing Net/2 users would be strongly encouraged to switch. This included FreeBSD, and the project was given until the end of July 1994 to stop shipping its own Net/2 based product. Under the terms of that agreement, the project was allowed one last release before the deadline, that release being FreeBSD 1.1.5.1.

FreeBSD then set about the arduous task of literally re-inventing itself from a completely new and rather incomplete set of 4.4BSD-Lite bits. The ``Lite'' releases were light in part because Berkeley's CSRG had removed large chunks of code required for actually constructing a bootable running system (due to various legal requirements) and the fact that the Intel port of 4.4 was highly incomplete. It took the project until November of 1994 to make this transition, at which point it released FreeBSD 2.0 to the net and on CDROM (in late December). Despite being still more than a little rough around the edges, the release was a significant success and was followed by the more robust and easier to install FreeBSD 2.0.5 release in June of 1995.

That's the most ignorant statement I've ever read.

I have been following this lawsuit, and if you have then you know that IBM is fighting this in the same manner we are.

SCO has just filed lawsuit, they haven't proven anything. I guess in the porn biz, slandor on GFY is similar to a lawsuit. Only in court the proof comes out. We never see the proof on GFY. Just the hot air.

In the end, most people think that IBM will win the lawsuit or that this is some lame attempt at getting IBM to buyout the stuggling SCO. They have to prove, in a court of law mind you, that IBM not only did use their code but copied it 100% into Linux.

The SCO lawsuit is similar to Acacia suit. They were one company that absorbed another companys assets, and are trying to cash in on them. IBM's pockets are as deep as M$...why not go after them first. Also...M$ is has a sizable chunk of Ownership in SCO. Don't think there aren't ulterior motives.

If that's ignortant...blame the laws. That's part of the copyright laws in a nutshell. A real small nutshell...but it's still a nutshell.

Not only that it shows what little Candyflip knows about copyright law. Notice how thieves always make excuses for their actions?

Explain the print_error() function in cjoverkill.

Its 100% identical copy of whats in ttt. Same font, same font size, same spacing, EXCACTLY THE SAME.

I told you. I can't explain the code. You and I both know that in some cases there are multiple ways of doing something and in others there aren't. Perhaps this is one of those cases. I have pointed out quite a few examples of how our code base is different. They both use <php include>...what does that prove.

What I can tell you (for like the 1000th time) is that there is no copyright infringement. I didn't code the progam, but have had both examined by an attorney. With respect to copyright law and intellectual property, we are not violating anything. It is up to Choker to prove that we have violated his copyright if he feels that we have. I've asked for this proof, but he doesn't want to waste his money on lawyers. He just wants to make threats and bully people into sticking with his program. That's who white trash do business. I lived in Orlando for a few years...there's lots of white trash. Choker's probably down off the The Trail now, shooing crackheads and hookers from off of doorstep. (With all the name calling I've endured...just had to get one in :Graucho )

How is that an excuse. I don't need to know copyright law. I just need to know the jist of it. That's why I have counsel. It actually shows how little you know.

a = a
a not = b

Prove to me and everyone else that you hold the copyright and that we're in violation. It's up to you to prove that we're in the wrong. Not the other way around. I'll fight you on the boards and I'll fight you in court.

Please... you mean you have to use the EXCACT same font size and face? HAHAHA YOU ARE A JOKE.

I have all the proof I need.

Palease, you are really grasping at straws now thief. If me not letting shitheads like you who steal my work then I guess I am a bully.

BTW the thief own these domains:
http://www.nyonic.com/
http://www.killerpeach.com/

BTW if this hacked script is so great why are you using TTT on your site?

How am I a joke. Did you miss the part where I said three times...I didn't write the code. Fonts and font size aren't the issue here. The code is not 100% reproduction of TTT, therefore...it's not a reproduction of TTT.

That's really the end of the story. Well...we all know it isn't, but it really is :Graucho

The print_error() function is a 100% reproduction of the print_error() function in TTT.

That site gets about 200 hits per day. I've been letting it slowly die, before moving on to other things. The others are running CJO.

You can post my domains all you want. Again...I have done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide. I've been upfront and honest with you and everyone else here. Kel (PowerCum) has done the same thing. We got the reaction we expected, but were hoping to see this play out. We're confident that we have abided by all the laws. If you feel that we have broken any laws or infringed upon your copyright, please have your lawyers contact us. A simple cease and disist with all the proper documentation will get this off and running. Taking matters into your own hands as you put it, will only come back to bite you in the end.