Am I wrong : ARS vs TB ? - GoFuckYourself.com

sexefr · 06-17-2003, 11:02 AM

Hey people,

My question may look stupid, in which case I appologise, I am kinda new on this market ;).

Please correct me if I'm wrong :
- checking ARS, you can choose the three days free trial, then 39.90$/month thereafter formula, rebilled to 39.90$ each month. Webmaster gets only 20$ flat rate.

- checking TopBucks : you can promote console-free and get 80% of all incomes : first time billing + rebills.

It that's correct (I suppose it isn't, but I cannot find the flaw), isn't it much more valuable to promote TB instead of ARS?

Thanks

Marc

Martin · 06-17-2003, 11:06 AM

Top Bucks smokes ARS.. ARS is the biggest load of crap on the web.. The insides suck donkey balls and I wouldn't feel right about sending traffic to that garbage.. Top Bucks on the other hand have pretty decent members area's and give access to all their sites.. They must retain members because they convert fucking awesome and pay me $40 dollars a S/U

PimpRoll · 06-17-2003, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexefr
Hey people,

My question may look stupid, in which case I appologise, I am kinda new on this market ;).

Please correct me if I'm wrong :
- checking ARS, you can choose the three days free trial, then 39.90$/month thereafter formula, rebilled to 39.90$ each month. Webmaster gets only 20$ flat rate.

- checking TopBucks : you can promote console-free and get 80% of all incomes : first time billing + rebills.

It that's correct (I suppose it isn't, but I cannot find the flaw), isn't it much more valuable to promote TB instead of ARS?

Thanks

Marc

Do you work for TopBucks?

JohnV · 06-17-2003, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexefr
Hey people,

My question may look stupid, in which case I appologise, I am kinda new on this market ;).

Please correct me if I'm wrong :
- checking ARS, you can choose the three days free trial, then 39.90$/month thereafter formula, rebilled to 39.90$ each month. Webmaster gets only 20$ flat rate.

Thanks

Marc

ARS pays $25 to $30 flat rate on 3 day free trials + Reward Points on top of that. Our free trial conversion ratios are very good and the members area have just been updated and look pretty damn good now.

EvilFubAr · 06-17-2003, 11:52 AM

Martin,

What year did you last look inside the members areas?

Dont hate it until youve seen how much has changed.

I can get you a login if you wish to visit.

[email protected]

Bex · 06-17-2003, 11:53 AM

ARS no question.

They are the leaders in the field, and stay that way by changing to meet the demands of an ever changing maket.

I have not dealt with any other program that is more professional and helps me make as much money.

Edit - spelling

Bex · 06-17-2003, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PimpRoll

Do you work for TopBucks?

Of course they do! 1 post and you start it out like that!

Nice spam.

FlyingIguana · 06-17-2003, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JohnV

ARS pays $25 to $30 flat rate on 3 day free trials + Reward Points on top of that. Our free trial conversion ratios are very good and the members area have just been updated and look pretty damn good now.

i would agree the members area for adult movie station was mcuh better than it was a while ago.

Martin · 06-17-2003, 12:02 PM

Top Buck doesn't have to spam shit.. I'm sure they do fine..

Anyway your right it has been awhile since I've seen the inside of a ARS site..

sexefr · 06-17-2003, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PimpRoll

Do you work for TopBucks?

No guys, I don't. I have to administrate english version of sex.fr domain, and looking for counceling.

I still don't have an answer to my questions : why ARS pays only a flat $20 and 0 for rebills, whereas TB pays 80% of all rebills ?

I don't work for any sponsor, I just clicked on the first two banners I saw on this board ;).

Thanks for your support,
Marc

footsex · 06-17-2003, 12:05 PM

I would say ARS for the quick payout and Top Bucks
if you are looking for a the long term payout.
Of course, that is only if they retain. But if you need content
then top bucks gives you alot of pics to use and ARS doesn't.
Or if you want $35 per sale, and a ton of
free content check out the program in my sig.

DrGuile · 06-17-2003, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexefr

No guys, I don't. I have to administrate english version of sex.fr domain, and looking for counceling.

I still don't have an answer to my questions : why ARS pays only a flat $20 and 0 for rebills, whereas TB pays 80% of all rebills ?

I don't work for any sponsor, I just clicked on the first two banners I saw on this board ;).

Thanks for your support,
Marc

hehe,

1. its 25$ per free trials

2. go with recuring on free trials if you wish. With your type-in traffic it might be good. But knowing what cheap, deadbeat, chargebacking mofo the french are, you might not like it that much.

80% of 0 is still 0

MattB · 06-17-2003, 12:06 PM

a420 · 06-17-2003, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexefr

I don't work for any sponsor, I just clicked on the first two banners I saw on this board ;).

Thanks for your support,
Marc

why must you turn this board into a house of lies?

JohnV · 06-17-2003, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexefr

I still don't have an answer to my questions : why ARS pays only a flat $20 and 0 for rebills, whereas TB pays 80% of all rebills ?

Thanks for your support,
Marc

Please see my above post....thanks Marc.

JohnV · 06-17-2003, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DrGuile

2. ....But knowing what cheap, deadbeat, chargebacking mofo the french are, you might not like it that much.

80% of 0 is still 0

EvilFubAr · 06-17-2003, 12:12 PM

sexefr,

ARS rates for standard tours

The higher # is the rate your paid on each sale if you total 50+ signups in a pay period.

Free/3 Day Trial - ($25.00-$30.00)
$2.99/3 Day Trial - ($32.00-$37.00)
$4.99/5 Day Trial - ($35.00-$40.00)
$39.99/Month Trial - ($50.00-$55.00)

If you want to use tours in the BYOT Program (Build Your Own Tour)

Free/3 Day Trial - ($20.00-$25.00)
$2.99/3 Day Trial - ($27.00-$32.00)
$4.99/5 Day Trial - ($30.00-$35.00)
$39.99/Month Trial - ($45.00-$50.00)

Plus rewards points on each sale.

Hope this helps.

sexefr · 06-17-2003, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by a420

why must you turn this board into a house of lies?

Damn, people, you are paranoic... you can check on our site there is ARS and still will be for a while, unless we find a nice alternative.

Also, I am not talking about french traffic of US sponsors ;). French guys have their own french area with french sponsors.

But we still have lot of eng. traffic to convert, and, yes, I do look for long term but I don't need content.

Thanks
Marc

Matt M · 06-17-2003, 12:14 PM

Martin,

I would have to say check out the members area now. A lot has changed. Global is continually improving the Members Area. Let us know what you think after you have a look.

sexefr · 06-17-2003, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EvilFubAr
sexefr,

ARS rates for standard tours

The higher # is the rate your paid on each sale if you total 50+ signups in a pay period.

Free/3 Day Trial - ($25.00-$30.00)
$2.99/3 Day Trial - ($32.00-$37.00)
$4.99/5 Day Trial - ($35.00-$40.00)
$39.99/Month Trial - ($50.00-$55.00)

If you want to use tours in the BYOT Program (Build Your Own Tour)

Free/3 Day Trial - ($20.00-$25.00)
$2.99/3 Day Trial - ($27.00-$32.00)
$4.99/5 Day Trial - ($30.00-$35.00)
$39.99/Month Trial - ($45.00-$50.00)

Plus rewards points on each sale.

Hope this helps.

And no recuring program for ARS ?
Thanks

Greg N · 06-17-2003, 12:25 PM

Rewards points rule!!!!

JohnV · 06-17-2003, 12:29 PM

sexefr,

Not at the moment regarding your last question. Test the waters and see what works best for you and your traffic. If you have any further questions, please email our webmaster services dept. at [email protected]

savas · 06-17-2003, 01:59 PM

use ARS free trial... it is beter, because with TB 80% you get minimum rebills, they members areas are not best...

for longterm sponsors try to use this (members stay more then 6 months - my expirience)
Lightspeedcash
GammaCash

slavdogg · 06-17-2003, 02:33 PM

>> for longterm sponsors try to use this (members stay more then 6 months - my expirience)

BULLSHIT !

savas · 06-17-2003, 11:54 PM

you do not bealive?
try it and u will see...

sexefr · 06-18-2003, 06:05 AM

Any other oppinions on trustfull rebill partnership programs? No spam plz.

Thanks,
Marc

photohudson · 06-18-2003, 06:33 AM

Obviously ARS have to cheat you or they lose money.
Not every surfer is going to stick around for even two months.
Paying money for free trials! Well, if the surfer converts then rebills then ok but otherwise is a losing proposition.
A program which pays you a % of the money the surfer pays
has less (not 0) incentive to cheat.

Look for programs run by independent 3rd parties, whether that be someone who runs affiliate programs for others across multiple billing companies or programs run by the many billing companies.

I have affiliate programs for each of my four pay sites.
All are run by the billing company. If anyone is shaving or cheating, its certainly not me.
Bondage and S&M Central Affiliates
Friends of Slave Lucy this program has a special prize -- anyone who generates $200 worth of commissions for themselves gets a color 8x10 personally autographed by Lucy (no b.s. I see her at least once a month if not more). This is a very special site, exhibitionist doesn't begin to describe Lucy. It cuts across multiple niches though of course if one doesn't dig black chicks its not going to be of interest. If black girls are at least ok, then there's latex, french maid, public nudity, pissing, girl/girl, threesomes, b/g oral and straight (one of these days I'll get it organized to do anal), bondage, s&m .... I think there is no fetish she's encountered she doesn't like. Future plans include enemas, male on female golden showers (already have g/g gs), more high fetish, pantyhose fetish, more latex, more S&m (she loves a good spanking), and whatever the heck else we think up.

Mature Belles Affiliates this is of course women 40 and older. At this time its a 50/50 program.

the above 3 are operated by Globill.

From Probilling, I have
Yellow Streams affiliate program

These are straightforward advertising opportunities, no TGP.
All pay out a % of the signup and for each rebill you get a % for as long as the customer rebills.
There are samples and of course you're welcome to use the previews and model thumbnails etc. in whole or part if you want to make something to go with the banners. For Lucy, I have also several buttons. I'll eventually make some for the other sites.
In any case, the idea is that you have a site and you want sponsorship so you join the partner programs and put the banners / buttons with your linking code on your site where they'll do the most good (because of course if nobody signs up you don't get paid).

questions? email me. [email protected]

MattB · 06-18-2003, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by photohudson
Obviously ARS have to cheat you or they lose money.

Wow. you are right....its so obvious now that you said it was obvious. Can you please explain how this is obvious? Can you also please explain how it is that there are several reputable sponsors along with ARS that use free trials and manage to make money using them. Are you saying that ALL these other reputable sponsors are obviously fraudulent too.....except yours of course?

Sexefr,
There are SEVERAL good, reliable sponsors and they wouldnt be in the positions they are in if they werent. There are always going to be people that say "this company sucks, so they must cheat.....try my company...its the only REALLY trustworthy one." Just check out a bunch of programs and use the one that works best for you, your site and your traffic.

Sorry if this post sounds rude....its not meant to come across that way. I obviously need more sleep.

Marc P · 06-18-2003, 08:29 AM

I have been with ARS for a while now, they are my main sponsor, with TopBucks a close second.

I love both programs, I slightly prefer ARS for a few things, they have great webmaster support and an active community on the forums, and they offer reward points, also some of their sites convert extremely well. TopBucks offers per signup if you prefer that option.

As for their honsety, I have absolutely no doubt that they play fair. PPS sponsors can't mess around, it is too easy to verify that signups are going through. In all my time there I have never heard anyone say they had a test signup fail. With over 2,500 active webmasters, I think it would be known by now if they had ever cheated anyone.

ZoiNk · 06-18-2003, 08:32 AM

Topbucks is better then ARS. Over the past year I have converted at around 1:500 with ARS and 1:150 with Topbucks. I think the highest I ever hit in a period with topbucks is 1:200, but on average it normially is 1:150 -/+ 10 Nice and consistant.
ZoiNk

PR_Phil · 06-18-2003, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexefr

No guys, I don't. I have to administrate english version of sex.fr domain, and looking for counceling.

I still don't have an answer to my questions : why ARS pays only a flat $20 and 0 for rebills, whereas TB pays 80% of all rebills ?

I don't work for any sponsor, I just clicked on the first two banners I saw on this board ;).

Thanks for your support,
Marc

Sexefr:
The difference is with per signup your going to ge that $25 on every join, with Partnership, they may give 80%, but if you traffic doesn't retain, you will only ever be getting 80% of the trial price which means your 80% might only be $2.50 or 10% of what you would have gotten from per signup.

AWW - Kevin · 06-18-2003, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Marc P
I have been with ARS for a while now, they are my main sponsor, with TopBucks a close second.

I love both programs, I slightly prefer ARS for a few things, they have great webmaster support and an active community on the forums, and they offer reward points, also some of their sites convert extremely well. TopBucks offers per signup if you prefer that option.

As for their honsety, I have absolutely no doubt that they play fair. PPS sponsors can't mess around, it is too easy to verify that signups are going through. In all my time there I have never heard anyone say they had a test signup fail. With over 2,500 active webmasters, I think it would be known by now if they had ever cheated anyone.

good post

06-17-2003, 11:02 AM	#1
sexefr Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5	Am I wrong : ARS vs TB ? Hey people, My question may look stupid, in which case I appologise, I am kinda new on this market ;). Please correct me if I'm wrong : - checking ARS, you can choose the three days free trial, then 39.90$/month thereafter formula, rebilled to 39.90$ each month. Webmaster gets only 20$ flat rate. - checking TopBucks : you can promote console-free and get 80% of all incomes : first time billing + rebills. It that's correct (I suppose it isn't, but I cannot find the flaw), isn't it much more valuable to promote TB instead of ARS? Thanks Marc

06-17-2003, 11:06 AM	#2
Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	Top Bucks smokes ARS.. ARS is the biggest load of crap on the web.. The insides suck donkey balls and I wouldn't feel right about sending traffic to that garbage.. Top Bucks on the other hand have pretty decent members area's and give access to all their sites.. They must retain members because they convert fucking awesome and pay me $40 dollars a S/U __________________

06-17-2003, 11:53 AM	#6
Bex Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 2,382	ARS no question. They are the leaders in the field, and stay that way by changing to meet the demands of an ever changing maket. I have not dealt with any other program that is more professional and helps me make as much money. Edit - spelling __________________ www.NicheWealth.com

06-17-2003, 12:02 PM	#9
Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	Top Buck doesn't have to spam shit.. I'm sure they do fine.. Anyway your right it has been awhile since I've seen the inside of a ARS site.. __________________

06-17-2003, 12:06 PM	#13
MattB Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ, CO, NV, CA, MT Posts: 191	__________________ ARC Rewards Coming soon!

06-17-2003, 11:52 AM	#5
EvilFubAr Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Earth Posts: 1,141	Martin, What year did you last look inside the members areas? Dont hate it until youve seen how much has changed. I can get you a login if you wish to visit. [email protected]

06-17-2003, 12:05 PM	#11
footsex Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: NY Posts: 803	I would say ARS for the quick payout and Top Bucks if you are looking for a the long term payout. Of course, that is only if they retain. But if you need content then top bucks gives you alot of pics to use and ARS doesn't. Or if you want $35 per sale, and a ton of free content check out the program in my sig.

06-17-2003, 12:12 PM	#17
EvilFubAr Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Earth Posts: 1,141	sexefr, ARS rates for standard tours The higher # is the rate your paid on each sale if you total 50+ signups in a pay period. Free/3 Day Trial - ($25.00-$30.00) $2.99/3 Day Trial - ($32.00-$37.00) $4.99/5 Day Trial - ($35.00-$40.00) $39.99/Month Trial - ($50.00-$55.00) If you want to use tours in the BYOT Program (Build Your Own Tour) Free/3 Day Trial - ($20.00-$25.00) $2.99/3 Day Trial - ($27.00-$32.00) $4.99/5 Day Trial - ($30.00-$35.00) $39.99/Month Trial - ($45.00-$50.00) Plus rewards points on each sale. Hope this helps.

06-17-2003, 12:14 PM	#19
Matt M Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Beach Posts: 738	Martin, I would have to say check out the members area now. A lot has changed. Global is continually improving the Members Area. Let us know what you think after you have a look. __________________ No Thanks, I have my own...... ICQ: 156837862

06-17-2003, 12:25 PM	#21
Greg N Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Cyn City Posts: 564	Rewards points rule!!!! __________________ <a href="http://www.adrevservice.com/re.php?a=1010909&ver=1252&camp=206">Advertising Revenue Service</a><br><img src="http://stats.adultrevenueservice.com/forums/images/smiles/dancing_gir.gif">

06-17-2003, 12:29 PM	#22
JohnV Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: So. Cal Posts: 928	sexefr, Not at the moment regarding your last question. Test the waters and see what works best for you and your traffic. If you have any further questions, please email our webmaster services dept. at [email protected] __________________ Email me: john -at- teenmodels.com ICQ:153043903

06-17-2003, 01:59 PM	#23
savas Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,045	use ARS free trial... it is beter, because with TB 80% you get minimum rebills, they members areas are not best... for longterm sponsors try to use this (members stay more then 6 months - my expirience) Lightspeedcash GammaCash

06-17-2003, 02:33 PM	#24
slavdogg Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 3,570	>> for longterm sponsors try to use this (members stay more then 6 months - my expirience) BULLSHIT ! __________________ Adult Traffic for Sale

06-17-2003, 11:54 PM	#25
savas Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,045	you do not bealive? try it and u will see...

06-18-2003, 06:05 AM	#26
sexefr Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5	Any other oppinions on trustfull rebill partnership programs? No spam plz. Thanks, Marc

06-18-2003, 06:33 AM	#27
photohudson Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New York City Posts: 34	Obviously ARS have to cheat you or they lose money. Not every surfer is going to stick around for even two months. Paying money for free trials! Well, if the surfer converts then rebills then ok but otherwise is a losing proposition. A program which pays you a % of the money the surfer pays has less (not 0) incentive to cheat. Look for programs run by independent 3rd parties, whether that be someone who runs affiliate programs for others across multiple billing companies or programs run by the many billing companies. I have affiliate programs for each of my four pay sites. All are run by the billing company. If anyone is shaving or cheating, its certainly not me. Bondage and S&M Central Affiliates Friends of Slave Lucy this program has a special prize -- anyone who generates $200 worth of commissions for themselves gets a color 8x10 personally autographed by Lucy (no b.s. I see her at least once a month if not more). This is a very special site, exhibitionist doesn't begin to describe Lucy. It cuts across multiple niches though of course if one doesn't dig black chicks its not going to be of interest. If black girls are at least ok, then there's latex, french maid, public nudity, pissing, girl/girl, threesomes, b/g oral and straight (one of these days I'll get it organized to do anal), bondage, s&m .... I think there is no fetish she's encountered she doesn't like. Future plans include enemas, male on female golden showers (already have g/g gs), more high fetish, pantyhose fetish, more latex, more S&m (she loves a good spanking), and whatever the heck else we think up. Mature Belles Affiliates this is of course women 40 and older. At this time its a 50/50 program. the above 3 are operated by Globill. From Probilling, I have Yellow Streams affiliate program These are straightforward advertising opportunities, no TGP. All pay out a % of the signup and for each rebill you get a % for as long as the customer rebills. There are samples and of course you're welcome to use the previews and model thumbnails etc. in whole or part if you want to make something to go with the banners. For Lucy, I have also several buttons. I'll eventually make some for the other sites. In any case, the idea is that you have a site and you want sponsorship so you join the partner programs and put the banners / buttons with your linking code on your site where they'll do the most good (because of course if nobody signs up you don't get paid). questions? email me. [email protected] __________________ http://www.photohudson.com \| http://www.slavelucy.com http://www.bondagephoto.info \| http://www.yellowstreams.com http://www.maturebelles.com

06-18-2003, 08:29 AM	#29
Marc P Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 154	I have been with ARS for a while now, they are my main sponsor, with TopBucks a close second. I love both programs, I slightly prefer ARS for a few things, they have great webmaster support and an active community on the forums, and they offer reward points, also some of their sites convert extremely well. TopBucks offers per signup if you prefer that option. As for their honsety, I have absolutely no doubt that they play fair. PPS sponsors can't mess around, it is too easy to verify that signups are going through. In all my time there I have never heard anyone say they had a test signup fail. With over 2,500 active webmasters, I think it would be known by now if they had ever cheated anyone.

06-18-2003, 08:32 AM	#30
ZoiNk Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 2,370	Topbucks is better then ARS. Over the past year I have converted at around 1:500 with ARS and 1:150 with Topbucks. I think the highest I ever hit in a period with topbucks is 1:200, but on average it normially is 1:150 -/+ 10 Nice and consistant. ZoiNk __________________ "People can have the Model T in any color - so long as it's black." - Henry Ford