Netscape.. the new choice?

[rpet]

Man... I have been using Internet Explorer for years ... every since the big change from IE3 to IE4 .. man it seems as IE gets older and older it crashes more and more.. It seems like I cant surf for more than a half an hour without a freeze up or crash. I just started using netscape today and its like fault free.. hasnt crashed yet.. I think I might have to make the change....

One.
Rpet

[<IMX>]

I use the Safari Beta 2

Very nice

Explorer 5.2 for mac is shite.

[foolio]

you are uisng IE 4?

[iroc409]

IE is crap, very unreliable. ns 7 is very solid, a little kooky, but very reliable and fairly fast.

[andi_germany]

I was always a fan of Netscape. In 97 when I started Netscape was the top choice before MS bundled IE with everything.

Does Netscape 7 support java again?

[SykkBoy]

I'm a hardcore Netscape user (although 6 was garbage) and love using Netscape Mail (look ma, no worms!) and haven't had any problems with NS7 (no homepage jackings, no security glitches, etc.)

I've been preaching the benefits of NS for sometime now....but I must say that I am tired of sloppy coders who only code for IE....I realize there are always going to be a few differences between the two browsers with regards to page display, but so many times I see just sloppy coding (missing closing tags, etc.).

I've even offered to give hgardcore IE coders a snippet of code to redirect all their Netscape users to me so they don't have to bother with it any more ;-)))


I also like the new tabbed browsing feature (borrowed from Opera). Especially sicne I usually have 5-6 broiwsers opened at any one time ;-))

[PowerCum]

As there is no IE for Linux, and the IE version for Solaris is pure crap, I use Netscape. I agree that version 6.x was pure shit, but version 7 is very nice.
Also you can always hit the right button even if the stupid designer has put a no right button j-a-v-a-s-c-r-i-p-t routine to "prevent" you for looking the html code. You can view it on IE by choosing the view code option, so there is no point of these right button stupidity, but it's funny. Most times I only view code when it does not display good because of IE coder as SykkBoy2 said

[Amputate Your Head]

Netscape still exists?

[The Click]

I always use what my visitors use, as a designer it just makes sense

[bhutocracy]

die nutscrape.. die the death of a thousand bleeding monkeys

[The Truth Hurts]

netscape 7 is ass. 4.x was the best netscape.
it crashes easily and takes forever and a day to load.
and really, who needs that shit?

otoh, IE never crashes, but it's missing some key features.

[crescentx]

From our stats prog for one site:

MS Internet Explorer 90.1 %
Netscape 5.4 %
Unknown ? 1.9 %
Opera 1.4 %
Safari 0.4 %

I seem to remember at some point in the past they were basically 50-50.

-doug

[extreme]

Netscape builds on the <a href="http://www.mozilla.org/">mozilla core</a> nowadays. So netscape and the mozilla browser its practicly the same program. AOL has added some to the netscape bundle and modded the setup, for example I think they removed mozillas default popupblocking. (added bloat / worse default settings ;) ..)

Leech the <a href="http://www.mozilla.org/releases/">Mozilla browser</a>

..or <a href="http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firebird/release-notes.html">Mozilla Firebird</a> (new design building on Mozilla browser components, kind of like netscape).

[evilpurple]

Originally posted by The Click
I always use what my visitors use, as a designer it just makes sense

No, as a designer it would pay you to use multiple browsers, at least one of which should be a reasonably standards compliant one, like Opera or Mozilla/Netscape (or any other browser based on Gecko, the Mozilla rendering engine). If not, you'll likely be making brittle designs that breaks as soon as a new browser is out (or a new version of IE for that matter).

It may cost you a little bit extra time now, but it will save you a lot of time dealing with dissatisfied clients later, when a new browser version changes some behaviour subtly.

[pheal]

I've been using Netscape since the beginning too. Netscape 7 is really good.

I also have the latest version of Microshit Explorer but never use it. It crashes too often and never worked well on my mac. The reason why Explorer is so much used is the result of the vicious tactics Microshit uses to force people to use their products.

[The Click]

Originally posted by evilpurple


No, as a designer it would pay you to use multiple browsers, at least one of which should be a reasonably standards compliant one, like Opera or Mozilla/Netscape (or any other browser based on Gecko, the Mozilla rendering engine). If not, you'll likely be making brittle designs that breaks as soon as a new browser is out (or a new version of IE for that matter).

It may cost you a little bit extra time now, but it will save you a lot of time dealing with dissatisfied clients later, when a new browser version changes some behaviour subtly.

You are right, i alway peek at my sites with other browsers but i never work around them

[Gutterboy]

IE6 hasn't crashed on me in months. In fact I don't remember the last time it went down by itself. Very stable, at least when its running on XP Pro.

[The Click]

Originally posted by Gutterboy
IE6 hasn't crashed on me in months. In fact I don't remember the last time it went down by itself. Very stable, at least when its running on XP Pro.

same here man, i was so stuborn on Xp when it came out, i was on win98 until like 3 months ago. Have not had any problems with xp/IE6

[McSpike]

Netscape is one slow ass bitch. I'd MUCH rather see Netscape fixing ODP (Dmoz) rather than fighting a browser war they lost long ago. IE hasn't crash on me. Only does when I have 50+ windows open. Get yourself a decent machine. I use XP Pro.

Netscape will fuck up the page as soon as there is just a little hickup in the coding. IE however won't. I used to build sites for both as I worked for some company and I was able to make them look EXACTLY the same in IE and NS. When I got in the porn biz I don't check my stuff for NS anymore. Tricks I learned still work for the most part in NS.

What's idiocy in NS is that sites don't always look the same as they do in HTML editor when in IE they do. I am experienced enough to find the problems and fix them so NS doesn't choke, but I got tired of it when I got in to the porn biz.

I got tired of NS simply because it chokes so easily on simple html code. I wish it dies already.

[rpet]

I dont know what it is.. Im running XP Pro.. and the shit crashes all the time.. i have a AMD 2200+ 512MB ram and raid drives... what could it be

One.
Rpet

[jimmyf]

IE is 100% junk, I use it only because 90% + of surfers use it.
I still use netscape 4.7 for my email, it's very fast. At this time I have to use Netscape 7.0 if want to look at any Video, because IE gives me an error. Been to MicroSofts site look up the error codes time and again. Also IE started some time ago saving .jpg's as .jpeg's, I've re-installed the IE shit I don't know how many times. IE letting ass holes change people home pages and then you got shit like Gator, TopText it just keeps on keeping on with security stuff. MicroSoft should farm out the programing to Netscape so they can code the dam thing right, because they dam sure don't have the people than can. IE is a fucking joke.

I might ad anyone that does webpages should take enough pride in there work to make sure the page at least loads even with Netscape 4.7 some people just don't have it though.. PRIDE in there work.

[gothweb]

I design my sites for Explorer, but I surf using Safari. The only benefit of Microsoft technology, as usual, is the wide user-base. The actual software sucks.

[jimmyf]

Originally posted by gothweb
I design my sites for Explorer, but I surf using Safari. The only benefit of Microsoft technology, as usual, is the wide user-base. The actual software sucks.

This is 100% correct, about Microsoft.

[PersianKitty]

I've always used Netscape to review sites, because it's not as forgiving of html mistakes as IE is. A page that shows fine in IE may show completely blank in Netscape because of a missing tag somewhere.

I haven't had it crash on me at all since the newer versions.

[Tuga]

OPERA RULEZ! I have to use IE with some sites, but it's worth it anyway. Try it, I cant live without it anymore.

[jimmyf]

Originally posted by PersianKitty
I've always used Netscape to review sites, because it's not as forgiving of html mistakes as IE is. A page that shows fine in IE may show completely blank in Netscape because of a missing tag somewhere.

I haven't had it crash on me at all since the newer versions.

Smart lady

[Socks]

Okay, some netscape people here.. Wicked.. I think it's fair to say we know a thing or two about designing websites by now, but definitely put too much emphasis on IE. Our page still only has 2 small faults in Netscape, hopefully someone can help us out?

On the front page of http://www.adultsitesurfer.com the top 25 sites list correctly in IE, but there seems to be a problem with the . after the rank.. like when it gets to 10. instead of 9. get me?

Secondly, on the review pages, such as... 1by-day there is some white text that appears over the red bars to the left of the big score.. in Netscape they just appear as red bars.

Any ideas?

We'll work on my signature next. ;)

[foe]

Use Mozilla its liek netscape but no stupid aim plugins

[foe]

Originally posted by iroc409
IE is crap, very unreliable. ns 7 is very solid, a little kooky, but very reliable and fairly fast.

get a differnet theme

[Zayne E.]

Shit...back in the mid 90's I only used Netscape...graphics just didn't look good in MSIE back then and were slow as shit. Now I use Netscape and MSIE simultaneously for design and surf with MSIE

[FATPad]

Originally posted by PersianKitty
I've always used Netscape to review sites, because it's not as forgiving of html mistakes as IE is. A page that shows fine in IE may show completely blank in Netscape because of a missing tag somewhere.

I haven't had it crash on me at all since the newer versions.

Actually, you are how I learned that. ;) You rejected my site when I first started and I had no idea why. After several pestering emails by me, you told me it was showing as blank for you in NS, and it was a missing tag. I usually check my stuff at least once in NS now because of that.

[shane001]

I have been using IE forever. I only had it crash, long long ago, when a virus had made its way on my machine!

I use it for hours and hours, without problem or slowdown!


As a matter of fact, when I tried using Netscape recently, I kept getting the message * connection refused by host* and that realy sucked. So I said hell with that and havent touched it since! And yes, I tried everything to correct the problem!

[roybucks]

Originally posted by bhutocracy
die nutscrape.. die the death of a thousand bleeding monkeys

i second that motion

[iroc409]

Originally posted by foe


get a differnet theme

i'm not a big fancy custom theme person.. i use the default winamp skin, too. it works, why change it?


i always get that stupid IE error where it saves things as bmp's. i have 2gb allocated to IE cache, and i clear it and it still does it. it does a crazy stop respond/pause constantly when loading pages, it dies a lot, it's just crap. opera is crap too. fairly dependable but that stupid slow-motin gif stuff is bs. why can't these guys fix this? i kinda like opera, it's just annoying sometimes. using it now, but that's because i'm too lazy to use netscape at the moment and IE is too fucked up right now to be reliable.


ok, done posting, back to work

[TheJimmy]

Originally posted by pheal
I've been using Netscape since the beginning too. Netscape 7 is really good.

I also have the latest version of Microshit Explorer but never use it. It crashes too often and never worked well on my mac. The reason why Explorer is so much used is the result of the vicious tactics Microshit uses to force people to use their products.

AMEN to that man...seriously...

I still use NS 4.7 on a windows machine, works great... and NS 7.01 on a linux box....

PS: Opera also kicks ass...




I keep IE around just to view what the cows are looking through/at....

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by shane001
I have been using IE forever. I only had it crash, long long ago, when a virus had made its way on my machine!

I use it for hours and hours, without problem or slowdown!


As a matter of fact, when I tried using Netscape recently, I kept getting the message * connection refused by host* and that realy sucked. So I said hell with that and havent touched it since! And yes, I tried everything to correct the problem!

Do you have kazaalite installed on your system? the host file can cause this with Netscape (I couldn't get to cj.com or a lot of the advertising sites) Just modify your host file.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Socks
Okay, some netscape people here.. Wicked.. I think it's fair to say we know a thing or two about designing websites by now, but definitely put too much emphasis on IE. Our page still only has 2 small faults in Netscape, hopefully someone can help us out?

On the front page of http://www.adultsitesurfer.com the top 25 sites list correctly in IE, but there seems to be a problem with the . after the rank.. like when it gets to 10. instead of 9. get me?

Secondly, on the review pages, such as... 1by-day there is some white text that appears over the red bars to the left of the big score.. in Netscape they just appear as red bars.

Any ideas?

We'll work on my signature next. ;)

the problem with the top list is that Nescape automatically sets a border size of 2 pixels by default, so go into your main table tag for the toplist and add border=0 within the tag. See, you've specified a width of 5 pixels for the table cell with the number (ie. 1-9), when you get to number 10 (and the other double digit numbers), it makes that table cell "larger", which pushes everything down to the next line.

[digifan]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
Netscape still exists?

And with Microsoft dropping IE for Mac it can't die I think

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news...06/13/explorer/

or

http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/03/0...tid=187&tid=95

[Amputate Your Head]

well, all your personal preferences aside, what it all comes down to in a business sense is, the smart thing to do is to shoot for the widest possible audience.... and like it or not, that's IE. Only webmasters actually give a fuck about underlying browser technologies and plugins and propaganda and shit.... your average surfer has never even heard of Opera or Mozilla.... and they don't fucking care.... they just wanna get on the net easily and fast and jerk off... if IE crashes on them, they just restart it... they're not gonna go shopping for some obscure browser because IE fucked up on them.

So, if you're a die hard Opera fan or whatever... you're still an extreme minority... and probably always will be. IE owns you. Get used to it.

Oh, and George Thorogood fuckin' rocks.

[harvey]

I surf with Opera (bye bye popups), design for IE and after finishing the design, open it with Netscape Composer and solve incompatibilities. 100% of public covered, no risk at all. Funny thing is that my own site http://www.fdsign.com works fine only with IE, works barely decent with Opera and doesn't work with NS, but I needed that hahahahahaha! Only use IE to check design (specially when modifying scrollbars) and when there's no other way (sites using hahahahahahas). Of course, for mail I use Netscape 4.79 Communicator Gold pack, way better than any crap (as somebody said: "look mom, no worms" and I'd add "no freezing", "ultimate control" "html mail construction in the fly" and so on)

And sorry Amp, but 100% is always more than 50, 80, 90 and even 99%, so when it comes to a business sense, I prefer 100%. Fuck, in a site getting 100k it means that maybe 10k won't be able to see the site

[harvey]

Originally posted by harvey
I surf with Opera (bye bye popups), design for IE and after finishing the design, open it with Netscape Composer and solve incompatibilities. 100% of public covered, no risk at all. Funny thing is that my own site http://www.fdsign.com works fine only with IE, works barely decent with Opera and doesn't work with NS, but I needed that hahahahahaha! Only use IE to check design (specially when modifying scrollbars) and when there's no other way (sites using hahahahahahas). Of course, for mail I use Netscape 4.79 Communicator Gold pack, way better than any crap (as somebody said: "look mom, no worms" and I'd add "no freezing", "ultimate control" "html mail construction in the fly" and so on)

And sorry Amp, but 100% is always more than 50, 80, 90 and even 99%, so when it comes to a business sense, I prefer 100%. Fuck, in a site getting 100k it means that maybe 10k won't be able to see the site

edit: the hahahahahahas means i-f-r-a-m-e-s

[harvey]

btw, for the die hard IE designers, you can always send that 10% traffic to a NS-Opera user friendly page of mine

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by harvey
sorry Amp, but 100% is always more than 50, 80, 90 and even 99%, so when it comes to a business sense, I prefer 100%.

Originally posted by harvey
...my own site http://www.fdsign.com works fine only with IE, works barely decent with Opera and doesn't work with NS,...

so much for 100%.

[PotentMind]

oh the days when Netscape ran the show...never thought I'd switch, but once I did...I've never looked back.

Now using IE 6, can't see myself switching to anything but IE.

[Mutt]

does Netscape still tile Background images in nested tables? That really is a limitation.

if u dont get what i mean - if u have a table with a background image, when you nest a new table in cell the background image starts over in that nested table. Sux.