A serious question regarding drug use and addiction

[Probono]

We have an friend who just discovered that her 16 year old daughter is doing crack and methamphedamine. She is in complete denial, down to under 90 lbs.

Does anyone have any first hand experience with getting to admit he/she is using and getting them off of it.

Is this an addiction that can be kicked?

This is beyond my knowledge or experience and the parents are distraught.

I'd smack the fuck in the head for letting it come down to that.


16 and addicted to crack? WTF!

[SpaceAce]

She's 16, you don't need to make her realize anything. She can be institutionalized against her will. You're not likely to make a 16 year old drug addict see the light with conversation. Teenage heads are too thick.

SpaceAce

[pr0]

thats pretty beat

rehab...but she wont stop till she's in her 20's & all cracked out, thats usually how it goes down

[Juicy D. Links]

dambbbbbbb

[Amputate Your Head]

according to NBDesign and the other pro drug use people, you should leave her the fuck alone.... if she wants to destroy herself, it's her business. After all, she's not hurting anyone.... if she wants to do drugs, it's her right. It's only the Man that's keeping her down. The government is the problem, not crack. Legalize it and all will be well. Just look at alcohol. It's legal.... crack should be too.

[Mr.Fiction]

90 pounds, 16 years old, and on crack?

You need some professional help, not GFY.

[TheDr]

blah ... more experience than I care to admit. If you're in the US you can have her committed to a drug rehab. If not just keep banging on her. Worked with our oldest (23 and heroin free for 5 years now).

[Spunky]

My ex g/f smoked heroin.I spent about 20k trying to get her to quit.Unless they seriously get professional help and are basically locked up and given drugs to get her off the craving,you can't really do anything.Its a disease that I never would wish that on anyone.

[Greg B]

Probono there is help. Best program I've seen ever. email me and I'll hook you up. Sometimes can be expensive, sometimes, but less expensive than a dead kid and legal bills and hospital bills etc.

[Probono]

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
90 pounds, 16 years old, and on crack?

You need some professional help, not GFY.

I agree, I just thought some of you might have experience that you could share. Her parents are coming apart and the girl will be hospitalized tomorrow.

[SpaceAce]

Originally posted by spunky1
My ex g/f smoked heroin.I spent about 20k trying to get her to quit.Unless they seriously get professional help and are basically locked up and given drugs to get her off the craving,you can't really do anything.Its a disease that I never would wish that on anyone.

She <I>smoked</I> heroin?

SpaceAce

[Peter Romero]

Rehab or jail or kick to the curb. Tough love is the only thing that works. She wont get sober unless she wants to and will curse anyone who forces her. There is only three places addicts go: Jails, institutions, or death. Your friend has to give her the choice so that the kid has to live in her results of her actions until she is ready to quit if she is at all. Sorry, to serious an issue to protect anyone's "FEELINGS" here.

[greentea]

let her crash hard, she will learn.

[foe]

Check her into rehab asap. I

[SpaceAce]

Originally posted by POV Porn guy
Rehab or jail or kick to the curb. Tough love is the only thing that works. She wont get sober unless she wants to and will curse anyone who forces her. There is only three places addicts go: Jails, institutions, or death. Your friend has to give her the choice so that the kid has to live in her results of her actions until she is ready to quit if she is at all. Sorry, to serious an issue to protect anyone's "FEELINGS" here.

Kick a 16-year-old girl to the curb? That's not tough love, that's asinine.

SpaceAce

[PerfectionGirls]

So where were th4ey parents though all this? Daughter "addicted" and they are just figuring in it out. The parents shoule be getting some serious help right along with the kid. Damn.... how sad!

[Spunky]

Originally posted by SpaceAce


She <I>smoked</I> heroin?

SpaceAce

Yep..just as addicting as banging the shit..Fuck I would pay 40 bucks a day just to watch her burn it. My fault for being stupid but I loved the sex..she was 19

[horneymonkey]

Send hey to rehab against her will. You won't be able to talk her into stoping it.

[Krimsin]

Originally posted by Probono
We have an friend who just discovered that her 16 year old daughter is doing crack and methamphedamine. She is in complete denial, down to under 90 lbs.

Does anyone have any first hand experience with getting to admit he/she is using and getting them off of it.

Is this an addiction that can be kicked?

This is beyond my knowledge or experience and the parents are distraught.

If this is serious, and I expect it is, then screw the bullshit that you're reading on here and seek a prefessional. I don't have personal experience with anything as heavy as this, but I have friends that have been in similar (lesser) situations. Mainly, they (the user) have to be ready to admit their addiction and make the moves to quit. You can never make anyone quit anything. I've found that phychiratrists (spelling) are very good at making progress to the goal of admitting addiction. The rest is down-hill from there.
Hope everything turns out ok... Prayers are with you and your friend.

[Peter Romero]

Originally posted by SpaceAce


Kick a 16-year-old girl to the curb? That's not tough love, that's asinine.

SpaceAce

Stop with your feelings - this is serious. Have a sober woman call her & see if she can relate to her at all to have her come over for a 12 step call. If you don't offer her the street - she will end up there anyways. Where do you think that they get crack? Macy's? The worst fuckin niegborhoods in the world. Only another addict can help her, she will be defensive to everyone else. Call narcotics anonymous 411... 911! You have no idea where she goes every night to score or what she will do to get more. [email protected]

[Peter Romero]

Originally posted by Krimsin

If this is serious, and I expect it is, then screw the bullshit that you're reading on here and seek a prefessional. I don't have personal experience with anything as heavy as this, but I have friends that have been in similar (lesser) situations. Mainly, they (the user) have to be ready to admit their addiction and make the moves to quit. You can never make anyone quit anything. I've found that phychiratrists (spelling) are very good at making progress to the goal of admitting addiction. The rest is down-hill from there.
Hope everything turns out ok... Prayers are with you and your friend.

I've detoxed more addicts than your average drug councelor and NA is full of young people who can relate to her that she can relate to also. Lockdown rehab is great if they choose to go. Expect them to need to go back a few times before they get it.

[ThePornGuy]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
according to NBDesign and the other pro drug use people, you should leave her the fuck alone.... if she wants to destroy herself, it's her business. After all, she's not hurting anyone.... if she wants to do drugs, it's her right. It's only the Man that's keeping her down. The government is the problem, not crack. Legalize it and all will be well. Just look at alcohol. It's legal.... crack should be too.

Do you realize that's drugs being illegal did not stop this girl from getting addicted? I hate it when drugs destroy people's lives as much as the next guy but you have to entertain the possibility that if crack was legal, this girl might not be addicted. There might not have been some drug pusher encouraing her to smoke it because, there would not have been a huge profit margin driving him.

[SpaceAce]

Originally posted by POV Porn guy


Stop with your feelings - this is serious.[/email]

No kidding. Putting a child - guess what, at 16 she is a child - on the streets will do absolutely nothing. You may think "stop with your feelings" means your solution is right but it's bullshit. For every one person saved by being turned out of the house a hundred will die. That's known as giving up. "Quit or go out and die." Great solution, dad.

I am sure you have tons of experience with this and your solution works great, right? We're all experts. I have some experience myself and that solution is crap. You can struggle and cajole and even put her in treatment against her will but turning her out into the streets is very nearly a death warrant and doesn't serve any useful purpose at all.

SpaceAce

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by POV Porn guy
Rehab or jail or kick to the curb. Tough love is the only thing that works. She wont get sober unless she wants to and will curse anyone who forces her. There is only three places addicts go: Jails, institutions, or death. Your friend has to give her the choice so that the kid has to live in her results of her actions until she is ready to quit if she is at all. Sorry, to serious an issue to protect anyone's "FEELINGS" here.

What he said. If the parents were unaware of drug abuse before and this is her first time in a treatment program, they should let her come home - WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IF SHE USES, SHE'S GONE, AND IF THEY CATCH HER IN POSESSION THEY'LL CALL THE COPS THEMSELVES. If they weaken on that, they could help her kill herself.

I am a drunk and a dope fiend who hasn't found it necessary to drink or use drugs for over nine years. Good luck to your friends ... they're going to need it.

[Digipimp]

Treatment is your only answer for those two drugs and forced treatment at that.

[TheFLY]

Ship her off to the Sahara...

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by ThePornGuy


Do you realize that's drugs being illegal did not stop this girl from getting addicted? I hate it when drugs destroy people's lives as much as the next guy but you have to entertain the possibility that if crack was legal, this girl might not be addicted. There might not have been some drug pusher encouraing her to smoke it because, there would not have been a huge profit margin driving him.

How do you know that there was "some drug pusher encouraing her to smoke it"? It annoys me when I hear the term "drug pusher"... it's a myth invented by the far right. Drug dealers have always been and will always be very popular people. It's almost always part of the reason they do it. People seek them out. They don't have to push drugs on anyone because demand has always exceeded supply.

[Greg B]

Probono, I have friends and family that have invested millions in drug rehab. They're the best.

That kid is NOT under her own volitional control so 'tough love' is not the answer.

Her parents will have to physically place her in a secure rehab facility to detox and get educated.

People become addicted to things. It's a compulsion which means it's below their level of awareness and control. Making the person more aware thus more in control handles this. Yet dope lowers your level of awareness to the contrary of what some may say.



Her life is in the hands of those that care for her. She's not in control, something far more insidious is. Grab her by the shorthairs and get her to a professional institution. Email me if you need more help.

[email protected]

[Peter Romero]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy


What he said. If the parents were unaware of drug abuse before and this is her first time in a treatment program, they should let her come home - WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IF SHE USES, SHE'S GONE, AND IF THEY CATCH HER IN POSESSION THEY'LL CALL THE COPS THEMSELVES. If they weaken on that, they could help her kill herself.

I am a drunk and a dope fiend who hasn't found it necessary to drink or use drugs for over nine years. Good luck to your friends ... they're going to need it.

Dito 14yrs [email protected]

[Peter Romero]

Originally posted by SpaceAce


No kidding. Putting a child - guess what, at 16 she is a child - on the streets will do absolutely nothing. You may think "stop with your feelings" means your solution is right but it's bullshit. For every one person saved by being turned out of the house a hundred will die. That's known as giving up. "Quit or go out and die." Great solution, dad.

I am sure you have tons of experience with this and your solution works great, right? We're all experts. I have some experience myself and that solution is crap. You can struggle and cajole and even put her in treatment against her will but turning her out into the streets is very nearly a death warrant and doesn't serve any useful purpose at all.

SpaceAce

I said: "Give her the street as "A CHOICE" as well as jail, & Rehab."

[Nasty D]

Another youth addicted to drugs what a suprise....Not much you can do if she is truely addicted and she is denial, but I would be more concearned about the Meth, crack is a little spendy for teens.

[ThePornGuy]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack


How do you know that there was "some drug pusher encouraing her to smoke it"? It annoys me when I hear the term "drug pusher"... it's a myth invented by the far right. Drug dealers have always been and will always be very popular people. It's almost always part of the reason they do it. People seek them out. They don't have to push drugs on anyone because demand has always exceeded supply.

I didn't say there was. I said you have to entertain the possibility that there was. How long has it been since you've been a kid? Well, im 20 and I know a few "drug pushers" and they certainly aren't a figment of my right-winged imagination. It's not as easy to sell drugs as you think it is and the supply is tremendous.

[Greg B]

You've got to understand what we're up against. Drugs are a supported illegal operation. Our government has been in drug dealing since God knows when.

Just look at current events.

Since 911 we've had lockdowns of planes, trains, automobiles. Security at it's highest in U.S. history. Border patrols, new legislation that overruns our constitutional freedoms, unprecedented powers granted the executive branch.

We've even had a dock strike here in Calif last year that cost billions as millions went without goods being shipped in from overseas.

Not only that, we've had two wars! One war being in the #1 heroin supplier nation, Afghanistan.

We've even had a SARS outbreak forcing a shutdown of transportation from Canada.

Yet with all that unprecedented security for almost 2 years, I have yet to see a junkie crying about a lack of illegally smuggled dope. How the hell is it getting into the U.S.????

It's the ONLY product that somehow can slip through every security redundancy we have. I wonder WHY???

It's bullshit, that's why.

Hell, even the Russians are pissed off because after the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan where we blew up the Taliban, Afghan citizens, Canadian troops, wedding parties, our own troops...we blew up everything in that country EXCEPT the poppy fields where the base dope is produced. That's probably how Bin Laden escaped. He knew the last thing we'd attack is a dope field so he just walked out. Since that war heroin production in Afghanistan has quadrupled. Average salaries of Afghani poppy farmers has skyrocketed and Russia is overwhelmed with an unprecented flow of heroin.

Tough love ain't the answer, the monster she's facing has far too many tentacles. What she needs are helping hands.

[Krimsin]

As welcoming as "Juvy" can be, also understand that it an average costs the parents $65-$75 a day during incarceration. And this is not a cure, or the best place for a minor addicted to drugs. A better alternative is the military... I've had several "dead-end" friends who've enlisted and found meaning in their lives through doing so. just a thought.

[demented]

I take doses of methadone every single day. I started methadone treatment back in October of last year from the advice of my doctors.

Works fine for me, ever since my first dose of methadone, I haven't nor wanted to touch any other drugs.

You just HAVE to stick with it and want to get help and it will work.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Greg B
You've got to understand what we're up against. Drugs are a supported illegal operation. Our government has been in drug dealing since God knows when.

Just look at current events.

Since 911 we've had lockdowns of planes, trains, automobiles. Security at it's highest in U.S. history. Border patrols, new legislation that overruns our constitutional freedoms, unprecedented powers granted the executive branch.

We've even had a dock strike here in Calif last year that cost billions as millions went without goods being shipped in from overseas.

Not only that, we've had two wars! One war being in the #1 heroin supplier nation, Afghanistan.

We've even had a SARS outbreak forcing a shutdown of transportation from Canada.

Yet with all that unprecedented security for almost 2 years, I have yet to see a junkie crying about a lack of illegally smuggled dope. How the hell is it getting into the U.S.????

It's the ONLY product that somehow can slip through every security redundancy we have. I wonder WHY???

It's bullshit, that's why.

Hell, even the Russians are pissed off because after the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan where we blew up the Taliban, Afghan citizens, Canadian troops, wedding parties, our own troops...we blew up everything in that country EXCEPT the poppy fields where the base dope is produced. That's probably how Bin Laden escaped. He knew the last thing we'd attack is a dope field so he just walked out. Since that war heroin production in Afghanistan has quadrupled. Average salaries of Afghani poppy farmers has skyrocketed and Russia is overwhelmed with an unprecented flow of heroin.

Tough love ain't the answer, the monster she's facing has far too many tentacles. What she needs are helping hands.

People also love to get wasted. Every culture since the dawn of time has. Lets not fight it, lets enjoy it. Taking and enjoying drugs are a big part of what is means to be a human being. We wouldn't have at least 50% of the worlds art and culture if it wasnt for drugs.

Lets not say 'no' to drugs. Say 'yes' and get wasted instead.

[Greg B]

Originally posted by demented
I take doses of methadone every single day. I started methadone treatment back in October of last year from the advice of my doctors.

Works fine for me, ever since my first dose of methadone, I haven't nor wanted to touch any other drugs.

You just HAVE to stick with it and want to get help and it will work.

Well said, Demented. May the force be with you in your battle. It will be worth it in the short and long term.

[lil2rich4u2]

[Ketadream]

You have 2 choices and only 2 choices...

Treatment or death...

[notion]

My friend went to a rehab (for meth) and came out clean; he never wants to touch that shit again.

Make sure, if anything, her parents allow her to smoke. In rehab, my friend said, they smoked millions of cigarettes. So make sure they let her do that.

[demented]

Originally posted by Greg B


Well said, Demented. May the force be with you in your battle. It will be worth it in the short and long term.

It's been well well well worth it since I started treatment. I am now able to live a normal life, work, be more of a father to my kids and a good husband to my wife. It's great

[Ketadream]

If your in south florida I can recomend a program...

[Greg B]

Originally posted by demented


It's been well well well worth it since I started treatment. I am now able to live a normal life, work, be more of a father to my kids and a good husband to my wife. It's great

Demented then you've won the battle already. Look at what you just said, being a better father and husband. Your family should see that. It shows you're committed to the best things for them, mainly a healthy and productive hubby and dad.

Believe you me, 20 years from now when you see those grand kids, wedding bells, your kid's friends and all the good stuff life has going, you'll look back and pat yourself on the back for being brave enough to take that leap forward.

Your rehab is an investment not only in your future but in everyone's future.

[demented]

Originally posted by Greg B



Demented then you've won the battle already. Look at what you just said, being a better father and husband. Your family should see that. It shows you're committed to the best things for them, mainly a healthy and productive hubby and dad.

Believe you me, 20 years from now when you see those grand kids, wedding bells, your kid's friends and all the good stuff life has going, you'll look back and pat yourself on the back for being brave enough to take that leap forward.

Your rehab is an investment not only in your future but in everyone's future.

You are 100% correct. Thank you

I'm glad when people can understand. I've had quite a few people that don't understand at all and it sucks, really.

Being positive and hearing positive words is EXTREMLY important to a person that is recovering and/or in treatment. I know first hand

[Ketadream]

Demented you've taken a great step, one day you will kick methadone as well... I wish you luck with that battle as well.
But im sure you can do it.

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by Greg B



Demented then you've won the battle already. Look at what you just said, being a better father and husband. Your family should see that. It shows you're committed to the best things for them, mainly a healthy and productive hubby and dad.

Believe you me, 20 years from now when you see those grand kids, wedding bells, your kid's friends and all the good stuff life has going, you'll look back and pat yourself on the back for being brave enough to take that leap forward.

Your rehab is an investment not only in your future but in everyone's future.

Ok so the meaning of life is kids, wedding bells and selfish pride? Sounds like evolution to me...

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by Greg B
You've got to understand what we're up against. Drugs are a supported illegal operation. Our government has been in drug dealing since God knows when.

Just look at current events.

Since 911 we've had lockdowns of planes, trains, automobiles. Security at it's highest in U.S. history. Border patrols, new legislation that overruns our constitutional freedoms, unprecedented powers granted the executive branch.

We've even had a dock strike here in Calif last year that cost billions as millions went without goods being shipped in from overseas.

Not only that, we've had two wars! One war being in the #1 heroin supplier nation, Afghanistan.

We've even had a SARS outbreak forcing a shutdown of transportation from Canada.

Yet with all that unprecedented security for almost 2 years, I have yet to see a junkie crying about a lack of illegally smuggled dope. How the hell is it getting into the U.S.????

It's the ONLY product that somehow can slip through every security redundancy we have. I wonder WHY???

It's bullshit, that's why.

Hell, even the Russians are pissed off because after the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan where we blew up the Taliban, Afghan citizens, Canadian troops, wedding parties, our own troops...we blew up everything in that country EXCEPT the poppy fields where the base dope is produced. That's probably how Bin Laden escaped. He knew the last thing we'd attack is a dope field so he just walked out. Since that war heroin production in Afghanistan has quadrupled. Average salaries of Afghani poppy farmers has skyrocketed and Russia is overwhelmed with an unprecented flow of heroin.

Tough love ain't the answer, the monster she's facing has far too many tentacles. What she needs are helping hands.

Reminds me of a book I read called "A Scanner Darkly" -- good sci-fi from Philip Dick...

[TheFLY]

Just call Jenny Jones... there's your answer.

Originally posted by Probono We have an friend who just discovered that her 16 year old daughter is doing crack and methamphedamine. She is in complete denial, down to under 90 lbs. Does anyone have any first hand experience with getting to admit he/she is using and getting them off of it.
Is this an addiction that can be kicked?
This is beyond my knowledge or experience and the parents are distraught.

AS a nurse point of view and a mom and had a brother and friends overdose (suicide ) and of course many patient of mine.

There is no miracle receipy.. When a substance take over you life integrety and take full control of you mind and body .... then you have a problem,.....

I can say my opinion here... I am oponed minded person everybody each is own do what they desire in life becasue it is short and we do need to let go sometime and have fun.

But Hey bare with me I do enjoy and let go myself once in a whiel without have the urge or need to.....

One thing that i keep in mind is !!!!!!!.. Every decison we a make has consequences that comes with it..... Are we ready to deal or coping with the consequences.. ? Adults can make that descions .....Youger people are still virgin in life so they are more vulnerable...

Once you become addicted, you can't just quit. You become a slave to the drug. Your life revolves around getting it. This includes cigarettes. Just like food.......

personnali i rather be addicted to sex !!! olol

Cocaine and Crack are extremely addictive. So is methamphedamine. Cocaine and Heroine can hook you from the first doseThese drugs are very vicious. They are temporary stimulants and require larger doses to produce the same effects. Same as Heroine and Morphine (opiates) Methadone is a narcotic pain reliever for severe pain due to withdraw. Also used in the treatment of heroin (opiate dependence: Vicodin, Percocet, Morphine)


Valium and Alcohol are depressants and are also addictive. Addiction to depressants take a lot longer that addiction to stimulants and opiates. . Even coffee is addictive. I've had to break that habit a few times myself.

Tennager need adults help ,parents, therapy and tender loving care !!! and alot of patience....

Treatment : The Person has to recogize she has a problem...

The goal of helping thsoe poeple is get then releif,,,is NOT abstinence; to guide them ,to get them off the dependency,, , help them not dictate to them


The utlimate goal is to help them become Functional in the siciaety ..!!!!
hope this help


all thing s in life is dlelicious we jsut need to moderate.....