The launch on GFY was this thread: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=140794 where was presented the version 1.0.2 (current version).

The next I saw some days after that was: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=141204 where some people claimed they wouild shutdown my site and kill me. Also there were some "nice" guys claiming that they will kill me on the script support forum: http://bbs.icefire.org/viewtopic.php?t=13

As you can see this post is not the script presentation.

Here you have the warnings and stuff I posted on Choker's board:
1) First bug report and some suggestions: http://www.chickenboard.com/read.php?f=13&i=506&t=506
2) Another bug report, this one not very important: http://www.chickenboard.com/read.php?f=13&i=934&t=934
3) Feature update request and patch for that feature provided: http://www.chickenboard.com/read.php?f=13&i=775&t=775
4) Small bug report: http://www.chickenboard.com/read.php?f=13&i=659&t=659
5) Proxy tracking patch suggestion with patch code provided: http://www.chickenboard.com/read.php?f=13&i=1490&t=1490
This is where Choker banned me.

Here is what he posted on some other boards:
1) Newbie webmasters board: http://www.newbiewebmasters.com/show...&threadid=6359
2) AdultWebmasterInfo board: http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/sh...threadid=56195

I think there are some more posts about this, but I am not aware about them.

Now you have all the info, so you can judge yourself about what is what and what is not.

:1orglaugh

If all this is true it is really disturbing. Considering that we are in the process of sourcing out scripts right now I will probably give all of you a wide berth.

Personally if I were to buy a source script I would modify it if I considered it flawed or broken to the point that it was not working or a hazard to my system. I would do the same with any other software as well, license be damned.

Now if this guy is jacking your source then call your lawyer right now and shut him down. This will be easy enough to deal with.

choker ownz u d00d, fuck off

He has no legal recourse...which is why he has resorted to threats of violence.

Can I post code here without it getting fucked up?

diff cj-style.css ttt-style.css
4c4
< background-color: #3939D6;
---
> background-color: #D63939;
28c28
< color: #0000FF;
---
> color: #FF0000;
53c53
< background-color: #0000CE;
---
> background-color: #CE0000;

First and foremost punk, competition is good for everyone. You know and I know that Icefire simply rewrote TTT because his panties got in a wad because I kicked him out of my programs. he has admitted to this many times. Enjoy the downloads while they last.

You have a gallery program like mine? LOL, yeah people will trust a thief like you.

And I did not rip Lane off, and he knows this. TTT is using a algorithim I developed and Eskimoen made it work, so don't even go there. See Lane and I are friends and even discuss improvements in our competing scripts, because unlike you we do not have to rip others ideas off.

Oh and the visit I reference? Well that has nothing to do with me dumbass. 4 weeks ago I signed a deal with one of the biggest players in the Spanish market to translate and market TTT. Your little ass buddy Icefire trying to push this hacked version into the Spanish market was not so smart. I have nothing to do with this.

Here ya go, this is what the thief posts on my board

Author: ICEFIRE
Date: 02-28-03 07:10

Hi all.

I made this little modification to my ttt-in.php file in order to get the real IPs from my trades.

In the license aggreement the user agrees not to modify the script, yet this asshole does and posts about it on my own board. So I am supposed to allow this? What the Hun said about thieves and cheaters always having justification is so very true. If you don't like the script then don't use it, simple isn't it?

As far as the things that guys felt needed done to the script, most have been inccorperated into the newest version. Because I do not drop everything I am doing to make every change someone suggests does not give anyone the right to make the changes themselves.

who cares? if it's worth spending a tun of time on for a little cheap php script that could be written in a few hours / days.. who cares? catch me on the right day and i will buy one for you... i guess everyone just likes DRAMA!!!

So far the only one calling us a theives is you, and at the same time...you've provided no proof that anything has been stolen from you.

Grow up Choker...you're really out of line here. The script is legit and there's not much that you can do about it. Actually...there isn't anything you can do. You know this, which is why your ture colors are showing. Please have your lawyers contact us and we can go from there.

For now the script will stay up. I think it's up to you to prove that you script was stolen. Anyone that takes 2 seconds to look at the code will see this.

So how if this was 100% new code how would bug reports made on Chokers board relate to the functionality of CJOverkill?

Clearly it was never anounced v1.0 or even 1.0.1 so why do you release a script at v1.0.2 or maybe in spanish you cound backwards?

Keep tring to play everyone for a fool though and maybe i will be the one to jack to your code and make my own script. Afterall im sure it could use improvments and i will be sure to rename all the varibles and move some code around.

I will call my new script TTT-Overkill v1.0.5 and all your traffic will belonging to me! :1orglaugh

Bug reports on Choker's board do not relate to CjOverkill, but the features I requested are in CjOverkill because I needed these features.

Version 1.0 was only for beta testing and was not publically released. The first public version was 1.0.1 and it was not anounced on GFY but it was anounced on other places (not boards). When I had a decent bugless version I anounced it on GFY (there is no point to make an anounce of a buggy software on such a big board like GFY).

For the next version there will be Spanish, Russian and Bulgarian translation as there are lots of russian and spanish webmasters using the script, and I am Bulgarian myself, so I prefer it in Bulgarian. Of course I can give them support in the same language. More languages will come in the future.

I have no problem if you use CjOverkill as a base for other script. When you have it done, just mesaage me to add a link to your branch at my site. I want my users to have the choice to get other versions, that would be good for all.

About the traffic, I made CjOverkill because I needed a functional trading script. I do not really care very much on the traffic. Every 15 days or so I choose a random site from the ones using CjOverkill and redirect all the traffic to it.

Now try the same with out.php and ttt-out.php or in.php and ttt-in.php. Of course you can try it on the other files too :)

:321GFY

LOL, do you guys remmember how LinkX came about?

Remmember that fuckin script from hell Shap?

I had -210291321032109 hits to some users with that script lol

Do tell...

Bump for anyone considering hiring Candyflip to write code. Do you think he will "rewrite" someone elses code and sell it to you?

I have and it's very noticeable where the code is coming from :)

re·write
v. re·wrote, (-rt) re·writ·ten, (-rtn) re·writ·ing, re·writes
v. tr.

To write again, especially in a different or improved form


mod·i·fi·ca·tion
n.
A small alteration, adjustment, or limitation


When it comes to coding, modifcation is illegal unless the license allows for it. Re-writing is perfectly legal regardless of what the license says. Just because someone saw your script, found some bugs then wrote a new script with the same features plus some improvements doesn't make what he did illegal. There is nothing in your script or anyones traffic trading script that they can patent which means you can't sue him for using the same ideas or features.

Does it suck, ya for the most part. Because now someone has a better script then yours, which is never good for business. But it's been mentioned a dozen times before, start listening to your users, and make steady improvements, eventually the best program will win out. It is a business and regardless of whether you like what happened, the code is different enough that you are going to lose, so work on your script and forget about them.

Side note: I think traffic trading scripts are garbage and just fuck around the user, but I guess that is neither here nor there.

farted on thread.....

What about the vulnerabilities in Chokers script?

I'd like to hear each sides qualifications. I know choker's good with traffic but I was under the impression that he hires programmers.

Honestly I'd rather trust a Bulgarian hacker to write a script than a few webmasters and a programmer-4-hire. They usually know nothing about security and we're all just waiting to get hit. I mean come on, I used to hack, card, phish, scam, hitbot, cheat, crack and all that through my early high school years. If someone like me says there's a vulnerability in a script you're running and I can fix it(while providing source that can be verified to be safe), you're better off taking the patch and saving your server :2 cents:

PS. What about Star Office? It used the same features and formats as MS Office but it ran on linux and windows. Not only that, but it was better and less bloated.

PPS. Choker you may as well let people code plugins. Might I remind you of a little program called winamp that most people still use years later now cause of the skinning/plugins? You're getting traffic out of it, I'd take it if I were you :2 cents:

Drama bump :Graucho

3rd page sig spot!

wait.. damn

Thanks for the bump man. But if you had any clue at all and we're just grasping for straws, you'd already know that I'm not a coder.

Rivux...Choker knows this as well, which is why he has had to resort to name calling, bumping old threads and even physical threats. Icefire did nothing that could be considered illegal. Being a partner of his in another venture at the time, I checked into this as did he. Choker doesn't want to spend any money to consult a lawer, if he did...he'd know this too.

Damn.. Shit get's deep.. Where's my boot? :1orglaugh

nice. an unethical webmaster backing up another unethical programmer

Yeah dumbass I am going to throw money away by going after a Romanian kid living in Spain hosting his sites on his mommies computers. Easy solution is to blacklist every site using this stolen script, and make sure every webmaster in this business knows what a thief and piece of shit you are. Doing pretty good so far wouldn't you say? I've only started PUNK.

You have nothing on me because this has nothing to do with me. End of story. Continue to make yourself looking like a whining child...you're doing pretty good so far.

i think everyone could use a cigarette and some nap time

That's not copying... same result but different process and behavior = not copying I thought the Apple vs Microsoft lawsuits put this one to rest.

OLD

Very OLD but funny.

I remember this guy "candyflip" when I wrote SexTraffic (free tgp script). It had a few security issues with the admin and this fool told everyone about it, which was really great because the next day 25+ websites running it were hacked.

He also got into my admin but failed to edit anything.

Still, shows what an asshole he really is.

so you dont mind if the other foot gets shitty:1orglaugh

bumping that old shit is so :sleep

Finally Reynold!

We've been waiting for your opinion on this thread for 6 months now.

Thanks again for finally giving us your input on it. :thumbsup











sorry, wrong finger... :321GFY

I agree... wtf?

Why can't every one just get along dammit! :321GFY

Spread the word. the more people that know about this asshole the better.

Interesting title

Ass fetish? :Graucho

hahaha...
still a pretty old thread...boring...

My personal opinion is that the cjoverkill script is considerable diffrent then the turbo traffic trade script but I also belive that who ever wrote the cjoverkill script started out by using the ttt script. I will even take the time to explain why.

line 13 of ttt-mysqlfunc.inc.php is exactly the same as
line 30 of cj-functions.inc.php

when dealing with trade functions and no trade is selected
ttt uses this error message "Please select a trade first"
the same message is used in most of the cjoverkill script except for one that I found which uses this error message
"You must select a trade for this" which seems strange using diffrent message to say the same thing

also if you look at some variables that are not used often they tend to have the same name like $thishour

if you compare the edit.php and delete.php for each script there are just to many things that are the same for it to have been written by diffrent people. I can look at the code and see how simple it would have been to do search and replace on a lot of things to change their name.

just my

:2 cents:

In a nut shell it looks to me like who ever wrote cjoverkill did it by renaming files for ttt then editing those files to add new features and to make changes so that it looks diffrent at a glance

Nbritt

This thread is 6 months old and it looks like Choker couldn't kill the CjOverkill script, cause it's still there.

Wow, didn't realize that... I'm writing a trading script then!

just steal the stolen one back choker..take what you want and let him come find u..see how he likes that shit

Hey Zorgman, this is not me. While I did support Icefire/Powercum as we were partners on another venture, I had nothing to do with the coding of CJOverkill, or whatever it is that you're talking about.

Please make sure you have the proper infomation before making such accusations. Right now you're just feeding into a bunch of bullshit. I've never heard of or used your script, and I couldn't find an exploit if I had to save the planet...let alone do what it is you said this person did. I would be willing to bet that it's something Icefire would be capable of, and he's seems to know his code and has brought up "security issues" in the past. So I'm guessing that you're maybe thinking that we are one in the same...and we're not.

Choker can still lick my ass. It's fun getting under his skin :winkwink:

well...just get even. Copy his CJoverkill new features and let it be done with. No doubt in my mind that CJo was taken from TTT, and yah, i am a programmer in Delphi, i know about that kind of crap.

But i think Choker is over the line when he blacklist Cjoverkill's tgp users. Find a way to retaliate against the script creator, not the tgp admin, because it's not written everywhere that this script or another one, is more legitimate than any others.

As for CJoverkill maker, if you are a talented programmer, then start your own trading script from scratch, with 100% of your coding and interface. Only then, in the mind of the majority of us, you will find some kind of legitimacy toward your programming skill, not by adding/changing over another software. This is called cracking or hacking, not programming.

Programming required that:
- You can draw the lines of a full project, and beeing able to integrate each modules in a logical way.
- Beeing able to construct an interface that a vast majority of users would appreciate
- Have enouph vision to make your software upgradable

Poeples often think that programming is the ability to add codes. The most important fact is that you need to be able to create a project from scratch, on papers with basic and more rafined guidelines and modules. It demands creativity, a logical mind...not typing code skill.

So, i think that's what you need to proove to everyone, and even more to yourself. That you can start it from scratch. That's what i called programming talent. Otherwise, some programmers are just php, cgi "secretary" .