Sounds good to me.

So lets see here, some loser admittedly copies Chokers script and then has his boyfriend come on this board to tell everyone about it and slam Choker whiles he's at it.

These are the cocksuckers that this business could do without.

You wont last long dude.

Uh...nope. We actually made an announcement a few weeks ago. This is just a response to Choker's threats and name calling.

Isn't this what GFY is all about?

Adult Monger trade script is pretty good too. Thanks for chiming in.

hehe funny , we can call you girlfriend of choker ? :1orglaugh

No...we can call him promoter (owner/author?) of another Free Trade script.

As an impartial third party I'd have to say after just looking at the demo of cjOverkill that it looks like a copy. I don't give a shit if the guy did do all the coding himself... would it be so hard to also change the format/layout too?

I think clickzs was first.

There could be some really cool patents for this biz -- but it's really hard to tell who has first-use -- there were non-adult guys doing hardcore scripts way back in the day... you would read about the startups in WIRED magazine... but most of these scripts are born out of the necessity of the way the internet works... nobody really invented electricity -- we just discovered it...

There are some obscure scripted sites that broke new ground way back but they faded out -- like the old Monkey links multi-category toplist was an amazing script and the complete-free porndirectory was really some impressive code... but who really knows what innovations came first -- that code never gets released to the public...

When you release source code to the public you only set yourself up for trouble unless you obfuscate your code.

I never knew men were into drama till I found this board.

This was already addressed. The layout looks the way it does for a reason. See the response it has generated. It's just a few basic HTML tables...there aren't too many ways to do that :thumbsup

Thank you for gracing this thread with your presence.

I like this point. But again...no chickens were harmed in the process of coding this program.

No he doesn't, he takes 1%

i like Choker and his programs are great. I am sticking with TTT, screw the imitations....


:321GFY

They copy his script, make it look identical and are now starting all this drama to better themselves... Get there name out there, people downloading and using the script and they get free traffic..

before long, there rich and ride off into the sunset with everything, because of all this bs....

Wow...you're a real genius there.

Again...the script is not a copy. In fact, it's a superior product. Choker slung the mud, tried to strong arm some of our users and also made a few threats.

GFY is just a fun place to point this all out.

Who remembers how UCJ came about?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Could you give us a demo of this product live on GFY? What exactly does this thing do and why is it so great?

Is that a hitbot in your folder there candyflip

I dont...

Can you seriously give a cliff notes version?

ahhhh but it's long forgotten now that everyone uses it. good call

Same here.

remind me never to piss you off, k?

does your script offer any traffic back programs?

Listen, if you took the time to make sure your in the clear with copyrights, then id say you are ok.

I admit it looks alot like ttt, and the files are even layed out the same ... but how can you patent or copyright the way files are layed out in a directory? LOL!

bad publicity is good publicity ... your a marketting genious!

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Ok, here are the main differences between both scripts. You can look at the code and compare if you want.

1) Security. TTT has numerous security bugs, some of them leading to database shutdown or direct command execution on th server. If you want to test it, just create a form with the same variables that has the TTT admin login form, then fill between 512 KB and 8MB crap data in the password value and submit the form. The effects may vary depending on php config and mysql version used. On most default configs (with not the most new MySQL version) it will kill the database. There are also some other security bugs but this is one of the most funny. This bug has been reported twice to Choker. The first reply was "There is no bug". Second reply was "You are banned". CjOverkill fixes all these bugs and also logs them. I want to know who is brute forcing my admin area.
2) IP log OUT. This feature does not exist in TTT.
3) Enhanced in IP log. My script shows the entire proxy and IP path, and the clicks each IP has made.
4) Maximum proxy % anticheating. If a trade is sending me 75% proxy traffic I want to be able to autodisable it. TTT does not have this feature.
5) Maximum clicks anticheating. If a rtade sends me an user that makes 500 clicks I want to be able to autodisable it. Here you say "TTT has maximum prod feature". Ok, now imagina I get 500 proxies and start hitbot you, then go to your page and start clicking (about 500 clicks). It will not drop my trade because the hitbot in hits will lower the productivity. Cjverkill fixes that problem.
6) Minimum hits to start the cheat checks. TTT starts the cheat checks at 100 ins. In my script this value can be edited from the settings. If you want, you can make it start the cheating checks from the first hit your trades send you. I would not be happy if someone sent me 50 hits that made 5k clicks (TTT would not disable the trade), so this option disables his cheatings.
6) Traffic filter. When the HEAD attack hitbots appeared and fucked lots of sites around, we all know how much time did it took to release a patch (I submited the CjOverkill filter code to Choker's board because I had some trades with guys using TTT, some of them installed the filter and are still sing it). The filter allows you to block surfers per domain, ip block (China, rusia, etc...), user client navigator (Known leech bots and hitbots), and request method (A normal surfer does not need to make HEAD or PUT requests). Of course, you can edit this filter at any time in order to make it fit your needs.
7) Cookies work properly (or at least I think so). TTT sets an user cookie for 9999999 or something like and never clears it. This means that on a site with lots of trades (let's say 1000) it will overflow the maximum cookies lenght in the surfer's explorer (depending on what browser uses the surfer) and will crash it. There is no point to keep a cookie for more than 24 hours, so it is always cleaned.
8) Inmutable trades. If you want to feed some site with traffic you set it up as an inmutable trade and it will never be disabled even if it does send 0 (zero) hits to you.
9) trading algorythm. CjOverkill trading algorythm works in this way: uniques * clicks * ratio / outs. TTT has ripped Lane's CjUltra algorythm: 9999999-some_prod_formula_here. There is no point to use a fixed value (9999999) as a start to calculate priority. This causes that when the site reaches 10k to 35k visitors it will start fucking the trades (depending on the site productivity the peak may vary) and will start make calculations wrong or not correcly at all because the 9999 value is overflowed. Of course, on my script there is no such fixed value because there is no need of it.

Of course there are more changes, but these are the main ones. About these blaming about the layout, it also shows RAWs and forces per hour, also there is a separation between bookmarks and external links that send surfers to you.

For the next version (3 to 4 weeks from now) there will be a geotargeted traffic filter, no daily resets, detailed trade history, logs will be analyzed and diplayed in better way in order to show the cheater report origin, etc...

You can use it or not, that's not my problem, I coded it for me and my sites.

For all you who still think it's TTT looking only at the html... :321GFY

hmmm....

How did UCJ and other trade scripts come about?

btw the original kick-ass one is in my sig I believe.

The first one of you to add a complete and functional TGP management system to the script will own the market.

SpaceAce

Several years ago, UCJ was just a free(ish) PERL program. Through a friend I got very early copies and even modified it so people could use it without SSI. As I remember, the original author thought my solution was imperfect because it had to read a file every time a hit came in, but at least people without SSI could have a trading script :thumbsup

If I dig hard enough, it's possible that I still have some of the original PERL versions.

SpaceAce

When the time comes for me to lay the smack down, it will be in a thread I start, not Candyflips. Icefire has openly admitted several times that his script is a rewrite of TTT. In fact months ago I kicked him out of all my programs because he kept changing TTT and posting about it. Icefire is a punk ass kid who hosts his sites off his mommy's computer in her bedroom. So there is no host I can contact. this is why Icefire will be recieving a visit very soon. Think I'm bluffing? You will see. Anyone can look at these two scripts and tell what is what. Enjoy the downloads, don't forget to tell those tgps using your hacked script what will happen to them.

Candyflip, I just want to know what sites you own and/or run.

Anyone thinking of downloading this script you might want to think twice. I work very hard for what I have and I do not cheat or rip anyone off. And I will be damned if I let anyone rip me off. If you download and install this hacked script, your host, your trades, your sponsors will be notified that you are running a stolen script. So unless you are hosted on your home PC like Icefire is, you will be shut down. If you even suspect the script is stolen why would you use it?

http://bbs.icefire.org/viewtopic.php?t=13

So why don't you just steal their rewrite?... :Graucho

or incorporate their improvements into TTT?

Or are you just suggesting everyone run the same old TTT (who's problems have now been highlighted in this thread) or else you'll get your trades killed, servers hacked & knees broke... :helpme

I mean I know you're the traffic kingpin around here and all.. but that should be all the more reason to listen to your clients and have a todolist for the script/s that one of your guys works on. --Because it sounds like they were suggestive & skilled clients before they were thieving competitiors.

It sounds like those guys were giving you ideas, suggestions, bug reports, etc etc for a long ass time & you ignored them & finally banned them (for continually disecting your scripts and offering suggestions for improvment??).... --- err I've only followed this one-sided thread, I know shit else about this situation so maybe there is more to it.. but thasts what it sounds like.

So how about this, fix it, update it & improve it & maybe people will continute to use it :thumbsup

Hit his system using some korean proxys or begin sending spam from his domain that will do the job.

I am sure there are a few spammers around GFY who would be willing to use his domian do their opt-out links for a few bucks. This way you wont even have to get your hands dirty and there wont be a damn thing he can do about it.

Also i have never seen a trade script that was built from scratch and never had a beta. Not to mention 0 bugs related to the actual code have been reported in their forum.

So how do you build such a beast from scratch with perfection overnight?

I think anyone with even a few brain cells knows the answer.

Yo Candyflip STFU and pay me for the logo instead of whining about somebody else. :2 cents:

First of all 99% of the shit he says that is wrong with TTT is total bullshit and TTT is upgraded every 2 months or so. The latest edition has many improvememnts in it. If you don't like windows XP do you have the right to "add improvements" to it and distribute it on the web to others?

Icefire was banned form another free trade script he tried to "improve" also. If you don't like a script, then don't use it. You do not have the right to change it. Trying to say it needs improvements is no excuse.

And I don't steal anyones rewrite.

Do you have a list of sites Candyflip owns?

[inhale]
(Keep in mind I don't even use any of this trading stuff either way... I'm just arguing to argue at this point.... I mean a case can be made for both sides it sounds like... CLEARLY they stepped over the line, but it sounds like their initial warnings & suggestions were not being heard... sort of like bug reporting with Microsoft... alert them, warn them, warn them again, release the exploit - watch MSFT scramble. It's silly that they procrastinate like that)..... [/exahale]


If you don't like windows XP do you have the right to "add improvements" to it and distribute it on the web to others?


Yes. Fuck yes. They are the dominante force in the OS world - if they want to stay that way, they, in a timely fasion, should fix bugs (no matter how small or obscure) & incorporate useful and/or desired improvements suggested or requested by their users.

For example, remember windows skins & themes? You can bet that MSFT had the opportunity to make their own windows skinning feature (due to user requests/suggestions) loooooong before any of the aftermarket companies came out with them and well before they were natively supported in WindowsXP.

That's a costmetic example, but the point is still the same - if you, the ruler of large groups of people don't continually give the people what they want - eventually someone else will. Be it a simple cosmetic tweak or a major change in the core OS/engine/whatever - eventually someone else will do it for you.



Icefire was banned form another free trade script he tried to "improve" also. If you don't like a script, then don't use it. You do not have the right to change it. Trying to say it needs improvements is no excuse.


See my explanation above. You have a big responsibilty now Choker. Since your script is the most widely used (isn't it?) you need to be much more attentitive to the suggestions that your users give you -- even if they are punk kids on their mommies internet connection :winkwink:


And I don't steal anyones rewrite.

Too bad.. sounded like there were some good improvements. Not that I know shit about traffic trading... but I checked out that comparison chart.


Anyway.. bottom line is you've muscled your way to the top by providing what has been cutting edge scripts & services that met (and continute to meet) the needs of the times. But keep in mind, the times change - as do the players at the top unwilling to.

I'll say it a third time here... I don't use either/any of these traffic trading scripts, but I was sort of offended when you suggested that anyone that downloaded and/or used these scripts would expierience trade-deletion hell...

Why would anyone want to use their script over yours in the first place hmm?

Don't bully and threaten your clients for wanting to try something better.

I think the better response would have been something like....

"For those of you currently using TTT and considering downloading & using this obvious 'inspired' RIP-OFF, I kindly ask that you hold off for a week or so while we do some major improvements to the TTT script! :thumbsup"

But it comes off more like... "Your ass will bleed rivers of blood if you even think about downloading this script! CHOKER HAS SPOKEN!"

For the record though - I don't have any beef with Choker personally. He's very innovative, has a lot of cool services going on. I just don't like the way he's handling this specific situation being in the position that hes in.

This is really, really, really simple and I'll point it out just once!

Read the fucking license that TTT comes with. Did you understand
the license? If yes.....then why the fuck do you defend a guy who
CLEARLY violated the license?

All other discussion is utterly useless. The license has been
violated and that dismisses ALL OTHER ARGUMENTS AT ONCE!

As said before....don't agree with the license....don't use it.
Nobody forces you to use TTT.

Needless to say that if you use the script that evolved by a CLEAR
violation of the license......means that YOU will violate the license
aswell.

DynaMite :2 cents:

Aww cmon Dyna.... how many times have you blocked MSFT from pointlessly/needlessly (for us anyway) trying to phone-home with packets of ecrypted user gold?

I'm sure there is something in the MSFT EULA's that forbids us from hacking and tweaking MSFT apps , OS's, collected data, etc., -- yet many many people do it to varying degrees. Why?


I can SEE that these guys rewrote TTT... more than 'inspired' even & it doesn't help that they are being all :Graucho smart-assy about it either...

But that's not why I'm arguing here.

Tweaking altering Microsoft is illegal aswell. That so many people
do it doesn't make it legal. If you violate the terms you can
expect to get slapped.....don't whine when it happens.

I'm not saying I'm an angel....but if I violate a license and I get
slapped for it.....then I have nothing to moan about.

DynaMite

Gobigtime, I got where I am by working my ass off. I do not steal or rip others off. Why do you think so many webmasters do business with me? It is because I am honest. PERIOD. The guys defending this thief can justify stealling all they want, hey nobody serving prison time is guilty, right? There will always be pissants like this Icefire that cannot make it on his own, so he steals from guys like me. Notice how these guys always eventually fade away? I have the right to protect my work, and I will excercise that right when I am ready. Anyone reading this thread that uses this hacked script will never make any money in this business anyway. If they use a stolen script what prevents them from stealing from their trades or sponsors? Nothing, their hands are already dirty. Argue this all you want to, I have to do what I have to do to protect my work.

As far as threatening, well I have offered all of this shitheads trades free traffic to delete thier trades with his shitty little TGP, and more than half killed the trades and refused the free traffic offer from me. These guys did what was right. Can you trust a thief?