were the topic not so serious and the deaths involved so many innocent people, i would want to laugh at many of the postings above.

The amount of anti semitism(as often as not masked as anti zionism), stupidity, and just plain ignorance never ceases to amaze me.

terror is terror bu it appears that the old double standard is back as usual.

god forbid that any terrorist should attack the US because the US will go to war and to the ends of the earth to root it out because america - and no one else - is responsible for the security of american citizens. Any Americans killed by terrorism are absolutely innocent victims and certainly didn't deserve to die.


i think most american and indeed most people would agree with that paragraph but when Israel does the same thing... somehow the standards above don't apply. is it because jewish blood is worth less than american blood?

The UN approved israel, so did all other countries.

Perhaps you want another 6 million Jews gassed and then you will be happy

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"terrorism is terrorism. Is it not?"

Theres always differences, if you cant see that i have pity for you.

murder is murder right. Well someone killing an old lady at the bank is the same as a mass murderer being executed.
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"Israel was founded by terrorists, and by flooding Israel with european jews, against the wishes (going from memory) of the US."

Whats your point here. Becuase the us back in the 40's said no, the israelis had to listen.
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"It is obviously one of the most stupid places to put a country."

Does not deserve a reply. you made a useless point here.
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"the equivalent would be Africans starting a new town in the middle of an area filled with KKK members."

so you telling people where they should live now based on who hates them. Pretty big of you.
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"Even if was your 'ancestors land' (a ridiculous statement if I ever heard one - get over it, it was 2,000 years ago) it is obviously a very foolish thing to do."

People who have no history have nothing. Apparently you are a very empty person. You dont know where you come from which means you dont know where your going.

So i guess if israel distoryed all Christian holy places it would not matter to you since it was like 2000 years ago and foolish to worry about such things.
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"So in that effect, Israel deserves everything it gets. It certainly didn't go into the situation blind. "

Well not blind but willing to fight for whats right.
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"And about terrorism again - British soldiers were killed, but also kidnapped and tortured."

Britsh officers were not soldiers israel did not attack underlings .

Fact remains Those "Terroists" informed the british every time they were going to attack.
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"Doesn't exactly sound like rules of war does it ?"

Rules of war are for Countries not people fighting for one.

most countries you support still dont follow those rules
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"In other words - the founders of your 'country' are only very marginarlly better than suicide bombers."

First of all Darling my country is the united states. and you still put killing solders and killing innocent children in the same list. Your sad.

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"If you think they're scum, you're really not much better are you?"

There not Scum, Just stupid. there just pissing of the people who may have supported them.
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"No wonder the world looks down on Israel."

Just the fools my dear
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Archer totally agree with you, yall is all big about claiming that hes not anti semite and yet ..... "give us back Florida"

wtf are you talking about fuck israel?.... think before you saying something dump ass.

There is only so much you can ask. The man is an anti-semite simple as that.

Wow really good post im proud of your genius

Now all you gotta figure out is the square peg does not fit in the round hole.

Thinking....


FUCK ISREAL, I HOPE THAT GOVERNMENT OF THEIRS DIES AND BURNS IN HELL.

I know what Im saying cock sucker, I am not bashing the people, but the leaders.

Good Point!

I Never heard a Muslim call a non-Muslim a infidel...How did Muslims come into this thread is beyond me...This is an Israeli/Palestinians conflict and not a Jewish/Muslim conflict...

as some Israeli's are not Jewish and some Palestinians are Muslim..

i doubt all this will ever cease though,this has been going on since the 40's



Israeli schoolbooks promote hatred toward Palestinians
Direct delegitimization and negative stereotyping of Palestinians and Arabs are the rule, rather than the exception, in Israeli schoolbooks

By Maureen Meehan
April 21, 2002, 06:48 AM
WASHINGTON

- Israeli school textbooks as well as children?s storybooks, according to recent academic studies and surveys, portray Palestinians and Arabs as ?murderers,? ?rioters,? ?suspicious,? and generally backward and unproductive. Direct delegitimization and negative stereotyping of Palestinians and Arabs are the rule, rather than the exception, in Israeli schoolbooks.
Professor Daniel Bar-Tal of Tel Aviv University studied 124 elementary, middle, and high school textbooks on grammar and Hebrew literature, history, geography and citizenship. Bar-Tal concluded that Israeli textbooks present the view that Jews are involved in a justified, even humanitarian, war against an Arab enemy that refuses to accept and acknowledge the existence and rights of Jews in Israel.

?The early textbooks tended to describe acts of Arabs as hostile, deviant, cruel, immoral, unfair, with the intention to hurt Jews and to annihilate the State of Israel. Within this frame of reference, Arabs were delegitimized by the use of such labels as ?robbers,? ?bloodthirsty,? and ?killers?,? said Professor Bar-Tal, adding that there has been little positive revision in the curriculum over the years.

He also pointed out that Israeli textbooks continue to present Jews as industrious, brave, and determined to cope with the difficulties of ?improving the country in ways they believe the Arabs are incapable of.?

Hebrew-language geography books from the 1950s through 1970s focused on the glory of Israel?s ancient past and how the land was ?neglected and destroyed? by the Arabs until the Jews returned from their forced exile and revived it, ?with the help of the Zionist movement.?

?This attitude served to justify the return of the Jews, implying that they care enough about the country to turn the swamps and deserts into blossoming farmland; this effectively delegitimizes the Arab claim to the same land,? Bar-Tal told the Washington Report. ?The message was that the Palestinians were primitive and neglected the country and did not cultivate the land.?

This message, continued Bar-Tal, was further emphasized in textbooks by the use of blatant negative stereotyping which featured Arabs as: ?unenlightened, inferior, fatalistic, unproductive and apathetic.? Further, according to the textbooks, the Arabs were ?tribal, vengeful, exotic, poor, sick, dirty, noisy, colored? and ?they burn, murder, destroy, and are easily inflamed.?

Textbooks currently being used in the Israeli school system contain less direct denigration of Arabs, but continue to stereotype them negatively. He pointed out that Hebrew- as well as Arabic-language texts used in elementary and junior high schools contain very few references either to Arabs or to Arab-Jewish relations. The coordinator of a Palestinian NGO in Israel said that major historical events hardly get a mention either.


These acts by Israeli soldiers are completely justified in the eyes of Israeli schoolboys

?When I was in high school 12 years ago, the date ?1948? barely appeared in any textbooks, except for a mention that there was a conflict, Palestinians refused to accept a UN solution and ran away instead,? said Jamal Atamneh, coordinator of the Arab Education Committee in Support of Local Councils, a Haifa-based NGO.

?Today the idea communicated to schoolchildren is basically the same: There are winners and losers in every conflict. When they teach about ?peace and co-existence,? it is to teach us how to get along with Jews.?

Atamneh explained that textbooks used by the nearly one million Arab Israelis (one-fifth of Israel?s population) are in Arabic, but are written by and issued from the Israeli Ministry of Education, where Palestinians have no influence or input.

?Fewer than 1 percent of the jobs in the Education Ministry, not counting teachers, are held by Palestinians,? Atamneh said. ?For the past 15 years, not one new Palestinian academic has been placed in a high position in the ministry. There are no Palestinians involved in preparing the Arabic-language curriculum [and] obviously, there is no such thing as affirmative action in Israel.?

In addition, there are no Arabic-language universities in Israel. Haifa University, Atamneh points out, has had a steady 20 percent Arab student population for the past 20 years.

?How can that figure have remained the same after all these years when the population in the north [of Israel] has grown to over 50 percent Arab??

Answering his own question, Atamneh rattles off statistics that reflect excellent high school scores among Arab students, which he contrasts to their subsequent lower-than-average performance in Hebrew-language college entrance exams given by the state.

?No major scholarships have ever been awarded to an Arab; there are no dorms for Arabs and no college-related jobs or financial aid programs. They justify this legal discrimination by the fact that we do not serve in the army. There are numerous blatant and official methods used to keep Palestinian Arabs out of the universities.?

Dr. Eli Podeh, lecturer in the Department of Islamic Studies and Middle East History at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, says that while certain changes in Israeli textbooks are slowly being implemented, the discussion of Palestinian national and civil identity is never touched upon.

?Passages from ?experts? about the existence of a Palestinian identity were introduced, but in general it appeared that the textbook authors were not eager to adopt it,? said Dr. Podeh, adding that ?the connection between Palestinians in Israel and Arabs in Arab countries is not discussed. Especially evident is the lack of a discussion on the orientation of Palestinians to the [occupied] territories.?

?While new textbooks attempt to correct some of the earlier distortions, these books as well contain overt and covert fabrications,? said Dr. Podeh.

?The establishment has preferred ? or felt itself forced ? to encourage the cover-up and condemn the perplexity.?

One Israeli public high school student told the Washington Report that the contents of the schoolbooks and the viewpoints expressed by some teachers indeed have a lasting negative effect on youngsters? attitudes toward Palestinians.

?Our books basically tell us that everything the Jews do is fine and legitimate and Arabs are wrong and violent and are trying to exterminate us,? the unidentified student said.

This was a Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, May 2001.



http://www.arabia.com/news/article/e...186070,00.html

Good post one mistake though, Jews lived there contantly for over 2000 years. Although the population was substantually smaller, Jews where still living there the entire time

Give us Florida back was a joke. Everything else is true. But hey, if you support your tax dollars go to fund a worthless country across earth, then so be it. I sure dont.

Who are your leaders???

Im Proud to announce the the Leaders of Israel have listened to Yall and are now targeting Palestinian Leaders.

That info is faulse, how bout getting a credible source. Arabia news, yeh very unbiased, look at their other articles.

About time.

Religion is not the major factor here, its land. You should remember that there are Christian Arabs/Palestinians that are throwing just as many rocks at jews.

Do you have a source for that, because its false.

Look at the Christian population in Israel Its a lot larger than you might imagine.

Israel is also the only country in the region that allowes freedom of religion

That statment right there just proved to me how ignorant you are. You are worse than eroticcash, the other idiot.

Why dont you try fucking reading?

in all realness what isn't bias,we all have different experiences and outlooks on situations......but i'm sure both sides teach hatered of one another,it's only logical they do....


I haven't seen no Israeli's claim that Palestinian school books teach hatred for Israeli's though:Graucho

sorry got off the thread subject

*off i go*

I did which is why im asking

When there are claimes that palestinian school books that teach hatred I have also seen translations fo these books.

I have also seen books which Muslim schools use to teach kids in the US in English, they say some horrible things as well.

ANyone who would quote an Arab News Article is a Complete fool.

these are the same people that broadcast omama's messages of hate.

If the Israel supporters in this thread are at all typical, the global IQ level will go up quite a few points once they're all killed off.

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When you have a country pumping arms and military hardware into Israel for decades and Palestine with not as much as one copter gunship and little arms, it comes as little surprise "retaliation" comes in the form of "suicide bombers". Some call that "terrorism", (inclined to think those are the more stupid in society), others call it "defence". There is little choice.

On the Israeli side.. they are entitled to their "homeland", but there is little effort at anything that can be called "peace" - just a load of "words" copied from the utterances of an idiot "president" in the US and turned around to suit the occasion.

Israel has for many decades "put down" Palestinians with everything from 4am raids in villages and rounding up the inhabitants (all of em), into village squares - to what closely resembles "concentration camps" with "unlimited detention". (Kinda same as this new term "enemy combatants" at Guatanamo Bay).

There is little to be proud of on either side.. and little to be proud of in the countries who supply arms to this region.

I thought you retired from this post. Guess you just had to continue to share your intellect with all of us.

From your posts and your constant attacks of jews the simple fact is you hate jews and if you just siad that i could have saved allot of time responding to your rasist views. You should be Vengified!!

:1orglaugh Sheesh.... there ain't a response to that... obviously a born and bred Fox and CCN watcher.

I was wondering when we were going to get someone attacking the US. Fools run together.

Of course not, I'm stupid :1orglaugh

Going?? I thought I went there, but ya may have missed it.

You one of these flag waving US idiots that think the US is perfect and is the keeper of the worlds peace?.. Hell.. ya don't know how to spell peace :1orglaugh

If you are "complaining" about the US involvement in the area, yea, do you not know this already?? We can always rely on "US involvement" for what that's worth...

The fact is the entire world relys on the Us one way or another.

Money, Imports, Protection. We give it all to you guys.

Protection? LOL, you seriously believe the US is making the world a safer place?
heh
Anyway, this whole thread can be summed up in 6 words:
Israelis and Palestinians deserve each other.

No Mule the worlds safer because of Denmark.

I'm not from Denmark, idiot :)

Just keep watching CCN blah...

Obviously in another world...:1orglaugh

I had a lot of Israeli friends when I lived in LA. One friend in particular was pretty high up in the IDF and told me all the stuff they would do to the Palestinians to fuck with their lives and when they captured them for interogation the brutality they would subject them to to get intel out of them. He was making light of it like it was all a big joke to fuckup Palestinians as much as they could.

So both sides over there have blood on their hands.

Its a fucked up world in the Middle East and the violence will never end until someone pulls out some nukes. Maybe then they'll wake up.

These two groups have been fighting for a thousand years or so, and know nothing other than to hate the other.

The only way there will be peace is if we just let one side wipe the other out, or if someone lets off a big nuke and turns that whole area into a big old chunk of glass...

i think you mean C(ia)NN:thumbsup

To follow up to my own post...

How do you negotiate with people that run their lives based on the simple princilple of 'we hate them, because they hate us.' When both sides are running on that mind set, there is nothing you can do...

Oddly this extends to outside Palestine/Israel. Shit.. many of the "we hate them" don't even know why "they hate us". And "they" in many instances don't hate, - they ain't even heard of "we" :1orglaugh

Education and communication can be a great thing:glugglug

I said "Israel Supporters"

Does that mean jews only? No.

Is Israel a 'jewish state'? No.

Once again you've clearly demonstrated how dumb you are.

And it's clear to everyone here that by blowing your head off, the world will become a slightly more intelligent place.

does that really matter, you got the point

That you're an idiot? Yep

THe fact is we know what you mean wen you say supporters of israel dont hide behind cute text. You dont like Jews and thats fine everyones alowed to be a fool.

And Uhh Yes israel is a jewish State as much as you fools would like to remove that "Jewish" part thats a Fact!

I agree the world will be a more intelligent place. the last thing anyone would like to sound like are people like you. with your completely blured perception of right and Wrong.

anyone who can read and can think can tell who the idiots are.

Oh fuck. Back them into a corner, and it's the same shit: "You're an America-hater!" or "You're an anti-semite!"
How original.
Go get a proper argument, you're a waste of breath.

Yea... "anyone" can - speaks volumes :1orglaugh

I always treasure meaningful posts like this... it is keeping with the GFY dribble....

You really are dumber than a box of rocks.

Are you saying everyone who dislikes jews is a fool?

Well, I dislike you.

Are you jewish?

Call me a fool if you like, but don't they say "it takes one to know one?"

And I DO mean 'supporters of israel'

Don't try to twist my words in a childish attempt at arguing.

Many non-jews as well as jews support israel.

Stop displaying your ignorance quite so blatently.

Especially when you only started posting here today.

:1orglaugh

I know for a fact that officially Israel is not called a 'jewish state'.

"Right and Wrong" - this coming from someone who endorses the buldozing of houses where children live, and the terrorism of British soliers.

You really are one stupid jew.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

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Mmm.. I like that... another asshole who don't know the difference but spouts his "opinion" - which, of course, is ALWAYS right!:1orglaugh

For every Jew that is killed by Palestinian "terrorism," the Jews kill 5 Palestinians. Is the blood of a Palestinian worth less than the blood of a Jew?

If you kicked me out of my home because your imaginary god supposedly gave you the land thousands of years ago, you can bet I'd do everything in my power to kill you.

Same can be said of the Israeli's
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