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Gutterboy 06-10-2003 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by jimmyf

Penrod you better get your ass to a doctor *RAT* now.
171 over 111
Equinox You better get your ass to a doctor *RAT* now
152/104 is HIGH they say now it should be like 110/80 use to be 120/80.

The gold standard now is 115/75. According to JAMA the risk of cardio-vascular disease doubles each time a person's blood pressure, beginning at 115 over 75, increases by an increment of 20/10.

Doubling your risk might sound like alot, but they're talking about sustained resting pressures over decades. If you're young and have no other CVD risk factors, and you're at 150/100, doubling, or even tripling your risk of CVD over the next 10 years means going from from .25% to .5% or .25& to .75%.

So while it needs to be controlled over the long term, there is no need to go into panic mode over 1 reading of 150/100.

Gutterboy 06-10-2003 06:52 PM

http://www.riskscore.org.uk/calculator.html

Try that. Its a cardio-vascular disease risk calculator based on data gathered during a huge study of heart disease risk factors involving 50,000 people in the both the US and Europe.

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Ketadream 06-10-2003 08:18 PM

About 2 years ago my blood pressure went nuts.
This was durring a time that my doctor was treating me for depression and decided it was a good idea for me to quit smokeing as well, so he put me on welbutrin(also known as xyban)...

Something broke...

One night I felt like crap, shooting pains up my neck jaws hurt arms where stiff....

My blood pressure that night went to 180/130 it got as high as 193/133 at the hospital, they where popping nitro glyceryn under my tounge like it was going out of style, about the time that they decided to check me for heart damage with an x-ray they decided to sedate the hell out of me. They gave me an IV injection of something and off to lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala land I went.

My blood pressure normalized and they sent me on my way. With instructions to see the doctor the next day.

They found no damage, they found nothing a cardio specialist found that my right ventrical was enlarged which happens but found no blockage or anything odd with ultrasound.

To this day nobody knows what happened but I do have hypertension, It is treated with a drug called norvasc which I take 10mg a day of, my bloodpressure rarely goes over 135/90 now.

I dont eat salt in my diet...I never add salt to food and I watch my sodium levels, I do smoke and I do consume far to much caffine. It took close to a year and a half to recover and adjust from this period, with the medicine lowering my bloodpressure to rock bottom rates now its about even at 125/75-85

One sitting of 152/102 is not that bad, to properly get a good reading do it over 3 times in a day. Make sure you are at rest, not on drugs and not having just eaten. Your blood pressure does indead flucuate alot durring the day.

I'm actualy more concerned with the distolic being over 102 than the systolic being at 152.

Anyway when in doubt work with your doctor. Unfortunatly I ditched my doctor durring this, luckaly I had found one I liked right after.

Just cought something where you said you had frequent headache's and blurry vision...

GET TO A DOCTOR NOW...

Gutterboy 06-10-2003 09:29 PM

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Originally posted by strainer
ACE Inhibitors are so good for you the damn stuff should be in the water supply.

I love modern drugs.

120/80 right now... :Graucho

I'm taking an ACE, ramipril. Low dose. It knocks about 5pts off my BP. I'm normal with it (125/75 or so) without it I'd be borderline.

For me it was a combination of regular drinking (bottle of wine a day), being suddenly sedentary (overuse injury), gaining about 20lbs, and eating alot of fat that sent it up. Once I cut out those behaviors it dropped back into the normal range.

I agree with the comment about A&D monitors as well. They're the most accurate according to consumer reports and cost around $100 for a fully automated one. You can get 'em at Walgreens or Longs if you're on the west coast. Don't rely on a wrist monitor.

Honeyslut 06-10-2003 09:32 PM

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Originally posted by Equinox
Ok peeps, this seems rather important and I am seeking assitance.

Since Saturday, I have had high blood pressure. Today it got up to 152/104 ~ which, as you might know is pretty damn fucking high.

I have no clue why it happened, I am not overly stressed, I don't eat too much salt, or eat anything else in massive quantities.


Any suggestions, besides going to see a Doc tomorrow? :helpme :(


Call the doctor tomorrow and lie down on the couch.. Avoid stuff like caffeine and allergy medicine that is not clartin or allegra

I had that problem in Feb when mine got to 180/100. I had to monitor it and take readings about 6 times. . When I went back, I was immediately put on a low dosage of blood pressure medicine. I don't eat salt, am not over weight and have excellent blood work etc

webair 06-10-2003 09:36 PM

red wine and vallium

Honeyslut 06-10-2003 09:44 PM

My dad died of an enlarged heart due to blood pressure problems
at the age of 43 so if your parents are younger and have problems , you should really have a physical..

Caroline 06-10-2003 09:49 PM

i was in the doctors office yesterday, and mine was 90something over 60something.
she said it was low/normal.
is low blood pressure bad too?

Gutterboy 06-10-2003 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Caroline
i was in the doctors office yesterday, and mine was 90something over 60something.
she said it was low/normal.
is low blood pressure bad too?

Not unless you're symptomatic.

hottoddy 06-10-2003 09:52 PM

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Originally posted by phogirl69
How are you guys testing your blood pressure, what tool do u use and where can u buy one?
You need to get one with a real arm cuff. Costco sells a good one by Omron for about $50. It uses a type of fuzzy logic to filter out inaccurate highs and lows. The wrist/finger ones are very inconsistent.

Alternatively, they have pretty good ones next to most supermarket pharmacies. But they are inconvenient for regular testing.

It's also important to take your BP during different times of the day to get the big picture. BP tends to rise quickly in the morning/early afternoon, and then slowly decline into the evening. That's why most strokes/heart attacks happen in the morning.

Caroline 06-10-2003 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gutterboy


Not unless you're symptomatic.

what do you mean?
what exactly would the symptoms be, and what would they be of?

Gutterboy 06-10-2003 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Caroline


what do you mean?
what exactly would the symptoms be, and what would they be of?

Example: Take a hypertensive with an average resting BP of 170/100. If you drop their BP to 90/60, it would likely make them feel weak, faint, or dizzy.

For someone whose normal resting pressure is 90/60, its great. :)

Works the other way too. A hypertensive can feel fine at very high pressures, but if you suddenly went up to 170/100 you'd likely feel queasy or get a headache.

sacX 06-10-2003 10:09 PM

One measurement high blood pressure does not make and also those wrist cuff measurements are useless..

Lifestyle factors will only help 10-15% with regards to blood pressure, and as you say you're lifestyle is mostly good it's not your best bet.

So assuming your blood pressure stays up, on two occassions measured with a proper cuff then this leaves the medications.

Diuretics, B-blockers, ACE-inhibitors are mostly excellent and low side effect profiles.. I don't know why so many people are resistant to taking them, but they are... I guess it's a hassle and high blood pressure is symptom free so they don't see the point.

Gutterboy 06-10-2003 10:20 PM

I debated whether to tell this story for obvious reasons, but it is amusing.

When I was getting my paramedic cert, I observed a cardiologist doing a cardiac catheterization. The patient walked, waddled really, into the room and flopped onto the table. He was in his late 50's, had the bright red face of a heavy drinker, was about 100lbs overweight, and the stench of tobacco he brought in with him permeated the lab long after he left. His supine blood pressure, after resting on the table for almost 10 minutes, was 200/115.

The doc said he had the largest, cleanest, most supple coronary arteries he'd ever seen in a patient over 55.

foe 06-10-2003 10:31 PM

excersize

hottoddy 06-10-2003 10:45 PM

I have been fighting borderline high BP for about a year. Losing weight (even a little fat can raise BP for some), quiting daily cigar smoking and regular jogging has helped the most. Strenuous weight lifting can actually raise BP. After a lot of research, I also take these suppliments. Bold = probably most effective.

CoQ10
Hawthorne Berry
Magnesium
Potassium
Cayenne
Fish Oil
Garlic
Grapeseed Extract (promotes vein elasticity)

I'm probably forgetting some. There are products that contain a lot of the above in one capsule - except the CoQ10. One is called "Blood Pressure Factors" by Michaels.

ake 06-10-2003 10:47 PM

1st thing in 1st u must see a doc!

BP is really important thing for ur healt. dont take it easy. i am 34 and having that problem more than 6 years. :mad: salt, alcohol and smoking are main triggers. stop these or lower. u r young now ur body can stand hyper BP right now but ur brain, heart, eyes,kidney and some other parts of ur body are injuring slowly and you can face problems in your older ages. after u have pills and have a good diet u will see ur BP will go normal BUT never tought u recover it. unfortunately you cant get rid off this disase for all ur life. one time mesuring cannot show u have or not hyper BP. u must take at least 3 times a day for a week and write down all values and take it to ur doc. (do 1st measuring when u wake up, lying in ur bed) dont measure right after eating,sex,exercises etc. wait at least 5 mins before measuring, sit down and stay calmly and measure.

tip: if u fell dizzy and see BP over than 140/90 in day time u can eat some garlics or u can drink lemonade juice; these fell u better and lower ur BP immediately.:)

Ketadream 06-10-2003 11:28 PM

I'm not opposed to the beta blocker, the side effects are minimal now what I am opposed of is that I spend close to 500$ per month on med's...

Paxil (me and my wife)
Gabbitril (my wife)
Prevacid (this is the real expensive one)
Norvasc
Claranex (im trying to eleminate this)

I never had allergies till I moved to austin...

One of the first things I plan on doing with my company once it starts to break even is to get on a fucking health plan.

PersianKitty 06-10-2003 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by Ketadream

Claranex (im trying to eleminate this)

I never had allergies till I moved to austin...

It's all the mesquite. I swear anytime I'm in the state of Texas for more than 30 minutes, my sinuses go off the wall.

hottoddy 06-11-2003 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ketadream
I'm not opposed to the beta blocker, the side effects are minimal now ...
For a period of three months last year, I tried all three major BP meds. Beta Blockers were the worst. It slows the force of your heart by blocking adrenaline. Exercise is tough because you become slow and lethargic. The libido also takes a big dive. Another worry is that you can experience a "racing" heart when the pill wears off. You actually can't stop Beta Blockers cold because of the heart attack risk! You have to gradually step-down. BBs didn't lower my BP much and made a huge lifestyle impact.

Diuretics are cheap and work by purging water (and sodium) from your system and lowering hydrolic pressures - BP. They also really dry you out and make shitting a really fun experience. Diuretics worked a little on my BP.

ACE Inhibitors worked the best for me. Some people with a genetic tendency toward hypertension produce too much of a vessel constrictiing protein (Angiotensinogen Type I). ACEs convert this protein to a non-constricting form. The day after I took the first pill, my BP was down like 10-15 on both measurements.


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