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crockett 06-10-2003 08:21 PM

lol thanks for the corection.. I was thinking when I posted that, that someone would find some stuff from ww2 where we executed POW's.. ok well guess you can't arguee with history. :(

but it's still my opinion that we shouldn't execute these "detainies" .. especially not without a fair trial.. and I don't mean what ever way we can bend the rules to work in our favor.. I mean like any POW would and should get under the geniva convention.

with world opinion at an all time low for the US... I just don't think we should be pinning more targets on our backs.

madps 06-10-2003 08:26 PM

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directfiesta 06-10-2003 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by crockett


Anti American ? becaudse I think Bush is a fuck twad that makes me anti American?

I love this country... but it is going down hill real fucking fast. If we do not give these prisoners the rights that any POW should get.. (no matter wtf they decide to call them "detainies" or what ever) then we are no better than any other 3rd world country that executes people with out fair trials.

The thing that makes this country great is our freedom and laws.. it seems they want to bend these laws to suit the current need.. You may not have to like the outcome, but our laws should be held up for anyone.. nomatter if it's you or a fucking terriost.. the law is the law.

What would you say if it was American soldiers sitting there being "detainies" and not given a legal trial... because they wern't classified as POW's...

Relax... I was pulling your leg and confusing the easy to confuse right wingers....

I agree with you.

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The prison housed 110 persons convicted during the Nuremberg trials, 1416 war criminals from the Dachau trials, and 18 from the Shanghai trials.
Key words here are " convicted" & " trials". Those trials were conducted with the particip[ation of many nations and under the Geneva Convention. They were not conducted secretely like the ones the US wants to do...

The US is such a messenger of peace....

theking 06-10-2003 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta


Key words here are " convicted" & " trials". Those trials were conducted with the particip[ation of many nations and under the Geneva Convention. They were not conducted secretely like the ones the US wants to do...

The US is such a messenger of peace....

Terrorists are not recognized as being soldiers under the Geneva Convention thus are not POW's. The ones that will face a military tribunal are not soldiers...they are members of al Qieda...a terrorist organization.

crockett 06-10-2003 09:16 PM

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Originally posted by theking


Terrorists are not recognized as being soldiers under the Geneva Convention thus are not POW's. The ones that will face a military tribunal are not soldiers...they are members of al Qieda...a terrorist organization.

yes that's how they are bending the laws... they know if they don't label them as soldiers .. they don't have to follow the rules.. is this really right though?

I'm not gunning for the tangos but just because they don't belong to a certin country's army... dosn't mean we shouldn't hold ourselfs to the basic rules of the Genevia Convention... I think we should prove ourselfs better than the rest and use our laws insted of bending them...

if not are we really any diffrent than some dictatorship?

theking 06-10-2003 10:02 PM

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Originally posted by crockett


yes that's how they are bending the laws... they know if they don't label them as soldiers .. they don't have to follow the rules.. is this really right though?

I'm not gunning for the tangos but just because they don't belong to a certin country's army... dosn't mean we shouldn't hold ourselfs to the basic rules of the Genevia Convention... I think we should prove ourselfs better than the rest and use our laws insted of bending them...

if not are we really any diffrent than some dictatorship?

I do not know what rules your are referring to that are being bent..maybe you can specify. Military Tribunals are legal and the defendants will have legal counsel present during trial.

directfiesta 06-10-2003 10:07 PM

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Originally posted by theking

they are members of al Qieda...a terrorist organization.

These days , to the US, if you fart too loud, you are linked to Al Qieda... suits the agenda.

The prisonners in Gantanamo Bay were taken from the battlefield in Afghanistan. They were following orders from their superiors as much a US soldier does the same.

It is not because they cannot afford fancy uniforms, helmets and hummers that they are not soldiers defending their country, rightfully or not...

theking 06-10-2003 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta


These days , to the US, if you fart too loud, you are linked to Al Qieda... suits the agenda.

The prisonners in Gantanamo Bay were taken from the battlefield in Afghanistan. They were following orders from their superiors as much a US soldier does the same.

It is not because they cannot afford fancy uniforms, helmets and hummers that they are not soldiers defending their country, rightfully or not...

Members of al Qaeda do not have a country to defend. Terrorists do not fight under the flag of a country and are not soldiers. Some of those that were being held turned out to be Taliban fighters and have been released...I suspect there will be more released.

Spunky 06-10-2003 10:41 PM

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Rich 06-10-2003 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Bush: "Our Long National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity Is Finally Over"
http://www.theonion.com/onion3701/bush_nightmare.html



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ChrisH 06-10-2003 11:04 PM

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Originally posted by crockett
I really don't mind the death penalty and all... but tipically when the US has gone to war... we tipically don't execute the soldiers of the losing side after the war is over... I mean did we do it with the Nazi's? wen't they worse than the Taliban? If we start executing prisoners that we don't even call POW's what will that do for our troops in the next war we fight?

The other side will have a great excuse to kill our POW's ... I don't belive these "detainies" should be let go.. but I do belive they should be given a fair Trial... if we don't then what have we become? we would be no better than the other rogue nations... Bush is sure draging our flag in the mud... I sure as hell hope this moron gets voted out of office...

Do you see any Iraqis in Git-mo?

ChrisH 06-10-2003 11:15 PM

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Originally posted by crockett
lol thanks for the corection.. I was thinking when I posted that, that someone would find some stuff from ww2 where we executed POW's.. ok well guess you can't arguee with history. :(

but it's still my opinion that we shouldn't execute these "detainies" .. especially not without a fair trial.. and I don't mean what ever way we can bend the rules to work in our favor.. I mean like any POW would and should get under the geniva convention.

with world opinion at an all time low for the US... I just don't think we should be pinning more targets on our backs.

They are Al Qeada, thay have declared war on us and killed over 3000 civilians while they were at work.

These scumbags deserve a millitary tribunal where they will still be innocent until proven guilty, and have to be found guilty beyond a resonable doubt. That is American Justice that will be meted out by the millitary.

Or....

Should we turn them over to Germany, who is the only country to convict a conspirer in the Sept 11th attacks?

The convicted man recieved approximately 4 days per dead American.


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