then shouldnt the award be changed to the most heinous person/unethical person.

god that is horrible. don't most say they are innocent!

Who is the person and what is their sin?

Send Serge a snuff movie starring JoeSixpack :thumbsup

i am fuckin sexy

You must nominate a specific nick and provide detail of their sins.

Did I win yet? how is this for unethical? I have not changed SoBeCats kitty litter in 4 days....

You'll need a bigger sin than that if you want to win! Why not create a pornsite starring SoBeCat and JoeSixPack (dead or alive)? It would be a chance to kill two birds with one stone -- win the award AND get reinstated at Oprano :winkwink:

who wants to buy rolexgirl.com from me? You will need a good lawyer though once you take it.

I second that.

Sobe go spam somewhere else! :winkwink:

It is not a spam. I am serious. I don't want it. It is not worth the trouble it is giving me.

12clicks seems like a popular choice,
but we need details of his evil deeds :feels-hot

And how is the sale of this domain relevant to the topic of this thread, other than to prove you are a spammer? :1orglaugh

I can hardly believe that sasush wasn't mentioned. Hitbotting and stealing galleries repeatedly, and not seeming to be at all ashamed whenever he got caught, it was actually pretty funny :)

I'm not famliar with sasush, have you got a link to his confession?

Which one? There are many. Usually along the lines of "So what? Everyone does it"
*grin*
Actually I just did a search, and discovered that he's been banned, so that probably disqualifies him :)

Bummer, sounds like he was an ideal nominee :(

Yep, he was :)
Check out http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57743&highlight=sasush+ AND+Toolz ,and follow the link to the ARS forum...it's hilarious.

OK, my shortlist so far is:

• lil2rich4u2 - for his shameless thieving.
• Serge - for attempting to murder JoeSixpack.
• SoBeGirl - for reneging on agreements and spamming.
• SonOfRage - for being an unrepentant rapist.

Does anyone have any better candidates?

If so, please state who they should replace and WHY?

Personally I'm a bit iffy on Serge because there
are some who'd argue that SixPack's death would
be a good thing. But would it be ethical? :winkwink:

This is beyond stupid.

Serge should be on a list but not with those idiots.

He nominated himself, LOL :1orglaugh

But I am open to suggestions for a replacement nominee.

Surely you have a suggestion or two KK? :Graucho

You don't have a clear definition of ethics versus morals I hate to say, so you're nominations are not right.

Hell a serial killer can have great ethics.

More often than not, the terms "ethics" and "morals" can be used synonymously. For example look at this dictionary definition:

I agree that I haven't defined what system of ethical/moral principles should govern the Sobe Awards, but it would be impossible to do so succinctly. And besides, I would hate to see any truly worthy candidates slip through the cracks on the basis of a semantic technicality. I did however provide some examples of unethical people, "thieves, rapists, spammers and con-artists". All of the short-listed nominees appear to fit one or more of these categories :Graucho

Really? :eek7

Absolutely. I don't think that morals and ethics are at all interchangeable, not from the strict definition of either.

Morals are what you think OF things, ethics are the way you going about DOING things.

For instance, you are an attorney -- a defense attorney to be specific.

You are selected by your office to defend someone who bombed an abortion clinic allegedly.

You don't believe in abortion and you think the guy is guilty.

This is morals.

You go before the jury etc and you present them with reasonable doubt, your client is gets a not guilty verdict because you've done the best job you could for your client.

This is ethics.

Then why does the very first definition in the dictionary say:

Is the dictionary wrong?

Sorry KK, I think your example is really bad here, and I was really expecting you to come up with a convincing counter-point. I mean, there are so many other factors involved in your scenario.

An attorney, especially a defense attorney, has to put aside moral values and ethics before even getting into the profession. There are legal and professional considerations they need to worry about when being a defense attorney, and if you are going to let things like guilt get in the way of providing the best defense, then you should become a prosecuting attorney instead.

Someone that does not like blood does not enter employment as an emergency room nurse.

If that's a hint at Steve Goldman (among his many aliases), I totally agree. In fact he should be FIRST on the list!

Sounds good :thumbsup

Please provide nick/s + details of his evil deeds.

most killers have the best ethics.

:glugglug

good call :thumbsup

BD, we keep agreeing on things! hehe

Groove, here, this says it all ... actually that's only about two-thirds of it but it will do. http://galleryspots.com/cheats/steve/stevegoldman.htm

You're just equivocating morals and ethics all over again. The Lawyer has morals, but the "legal and professional considerations" as you put it are his professional ethics.

WOW! Goldman's definitely a contender :thumbsup

My revised short list is:

• lil2rich4u2 - for his shameless thieving.
• SoBeGirl - for reneging on agreements and spamming.
• SonOfRage - for being an unrepentant rapist.
• Steve Goldman - for being a major scammer.

Other nominations are still welcome :glugglug

*sigh*

Mmmm, possible problem...

Is Steve Goldman a "GFY Member"?

well, the pattern is he scams, he gets caught, he retires forever, he returns under a different alias.

hard to say what stage he may be in right now. if he is not here now, he will be back.

Are ethics responsibilities? A lawyer has legal and professional duties, ethics be damned

I am sure if we work at it, we can find something to disagree on . . . . how about this: Ginger or Mary Ann?

LOL, BD!!!


No brainer! MaryAnn all the way!!!! :thumbsup


You? ... And no write-ins for Mrs. Howe please! :)

Mary Ann all the way as you can read here (second to the last question)