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ozzymandius

You're better off emailing Globill and getting the answer from the horse's mouth. Don't rely on these haters who pass themselves off as "authorities". Don't buy into all the hot air bullshit, man!

Remember the old saying: The louder they talk, the less they truly know.

Backov

Ozzy is right, ask Globill. But remember:

There are no Canadian banks acquiring for high risk transactions.

Visa says that cross border acquisition is against the rules.

You do the math. ;>

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Jay_StandAhead

WTF are you talking about? Have you seen KK bitch about Visa complying processors? Look what hapened to WSB, they were NOT compliant, and Visa put a stop them. So far she's 1 for 1, let's see how the other processors do...

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ozzymandius

WSB was having chargeback problems for years. They even sued Visa back in 2001 over that issue. They were in danger of being shut down by Visa back then over chargebacks. That was public knowledge that they even posted to their site. I was using them at the time and switched right away as that was writing on the wall for me.

Nobody knows for sure why WSB went down but the overwhelming evidence points to massive chargebacks more than anything else. It was really just a matter of time for them. They went the way of DMR...

Jay_StandAhead

So them not being compliant had nothing to do in this? yeah...

anyways that's beside the poin I made. You're talking outta your ass saying KK talks shit about all processors besides epoch.

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Kimmykim

Wow, nice to see my popularity isn't waning. Nicer still to see I haven't gone all sweetness and light, at least with those who lack the reading comprehension of a fourth grader.

Lest you doubters have nothing else to rant about in regards to my posts, I will spell this out for you. If you need to read slowly then please do.

1. This is not KK vs everyone but Epoch. As a matter of fact it's not KK vs anyone or even KK pushing ePassporte since I sure as hell didn't mention eP in this thread and only refer to it now since it's out there as a comment from someone else.

2. Anyone who's ever used the search feature here and wants to rag on me about #1 then use the fucking thing and see for yourself my position. Oh, don't bother, I'll make it more than clear.

I support Epoch, CCBill, IBill, Jettis all the time. Even when people scream about IBill lately, I've made mention of the fact that I think they are getting their shit together, I've had conversations with their management and I believe what I have been told. I am 100% positive that the other three are in compliance, properly registered, and doing what the fuck they should be for their own AND THEIR CLIENTS best interests.

3. While I may call Mitch Farber to task sometimes for spamming, you have NEVER ONCE see me say that he does not run his company in his AND HIS CLIENTS best interests.

4. While I personally like the guys from WSB and ACPAY, and have no problem talking to them at shows, on boards or in email, I did not support the angle they took with the regulations, nor do I support any other company that has attempted to subvert Visa's regulations, since I do not see that IN THEIR CLIENTS best interests. It's not my place to tell them how to do business but when people are willing to pay me handsomely to consult with them about their businesses, I have every right to ask questions of potential business partners, it is IN MY CLIENTS best interests.

I find it tremendously interesting that the people doing the smallest numbers in this business are the ones who have the biggest grudge against what I have to say.

Far be it from me to express my opinion on a messageboard called gofuckyourself and always be sweetness and light. If I were, then I wouldn't be doing my job evaluating the situations that exist for MY CLIENTS. I'd just tell them all to forget about the fee, go with someone that has the potential to cause them a tremendous liability in their business IF THINGS ARE NOT RIGHT according to Visa.

And far be it from me to let any of my detractors know that if Visa Compliance (and let's not forget that ONE GUY is handling BOTH the US and Intl compliance issues NOW) picks up the phone and calls a bank -- ANY PROCESSORS bank -- or sends ANY processor an email saying "kill this url, they don't get processing anymore" for whatever the reason, then you are fucked.

With any luck this will give some of you that don't get it and some of you that aren't who you claim to be some nice ammunition for at least a couple hours.

And for anyone who doubts me, I am NOT nice when it comes to hard business decisions. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to grasp this business, but it does take the willingness to listen and pay attention, something I learned the first year I was in this industry... something that's kept me in it and doing well for more years than most of you have been here.

Dravyk

[QUOTE]However, the words "twink" and "lolita" have come to be associated too strongly with underaged content, and it is simply the use of those words that we are currently not allowing./QUOTE]

Hi Gary. Yep, I agree, they're clueless. That's like banning "petite". Which if GloBill is stupid enough to do with "twink" then I guess they'll ban "petite" next.

I am really not sure about the GloBill supporters here. Personally, I would never let someone handle my money who was that clueless about the industry.

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Route66

Interesting thread. I've had very few problems with processors so far (knock on lamatated plastic), but I have noticed a trend over the last 5 years.

Many former friends have become enemies. I don't know KimmyKim that well, but I always liked her, regardless of which company she worked for, so I'm not speaking of her. Many people whom I met through webmaster boards used to be kind and sweet and helpful to others and then in this last year have turned into complete assholes. I really wonder why this is.

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Centurion

Write them back & tell them they're going to have to close down a great deal of their sites if they're truly going to enforce that "thought". Ask them if they have gone through every site they support with a fine tooth comb LOOKING for the word "TWINK". Be interesting to see how much money they are willing to lose to enforce this rule.

But then again, they'll probably loose a lot more when the nut cracker called Visa comes along.

Rictor

What the hell is a twink?

Centurion

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As they say in the movies "Relax girlfriend..I'm on your side" (be is sweetness & light or darkness & thunder!). Just joshing with ya!

Centurion

Smooth skinny guy! (and young..but LEGALLY young..like 18-21 area..in "my book" age goes up all the way to 30, and I add "nerdish looking" to my twink definition. But they MUST be anorexic to be a twink!! That is the #1 rule!
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Paul Markham

Well done Elephant_Gut it took how long before someone got a response from Glo-Bill.

It's very simple and please read this and listen before you sound off.

It's their company thay can run it any way they wish.

They make the rules.

Read the rules and understand them.

If you do not like them move on.

They percieve the word to be associated with under age and I just searched on the word Twink and can see how they might have come to that conclusion.

Plus, yes it's gay and with all the gay rights in the world you cannot legislate for how people feel.

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I am SPEWING with glo-bill
Ilast week i talked to one of their reps who assured me they COULD process for me (i still have the email)

so i set up my site and they approved it

I did another site using the EXACT SAME FORMAT the next day and submitted it
5 minutes later:

"sorry we are unable to approve your site due to its format "

(my content is on another server)

so i emaioed them and told them that this dude had told me they WOULD and that one site had already been approved.

5 minutes later - another email:

your other site's account has been closed

so I call em up on the phone and tell them all this and guess what they did?
HUNG UP on me.






globill

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BruceM

Hostess makes them. They're alright, but I prefer cup cakes and ding dongs.

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Dravyk

Kitty, no sarcasm here at all: I am totally shocked! I've never heard of worse service than that from any processor. Yours is not the first I've heard of either. Amazing, they don't have "twink" in their dictionary and apparently "customer support" and "common sense" are missing either. That's OK, so apparently is the word "longevity".

Obviously GloBill is doing everything possible -- either purposely or by sheer stupidity -- to not take in new accounts and to also loose many existing ones.

... Funny, from the industry talk behind the scenes the last few months, one would think GB would need every possible account they could lay their hands on -- not the other way around.

The processing field keeps narrowing ...

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psyko514

do a search for globill. you'll see nothing but ranting and raving about how excellent and top notch their customer support is.

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Petr

Actually, this "twink" or "teen" problem with Globill is nothing new. See http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...threadid=81390

scooby doo as scooby does

*sigh* It amazes me that someone who has obviously been here thoughout the VISA debacle can be so utterly clueless. ACPay and Globill can move their US webmasters to a VISA US region bank at a moments notice (more or less) if necessary. No ACPay US webmaster will be 'fucked' as you put it, by VISA. They are moved to the US bank, pay the fee, business as usual.

I can tell you now, without fear of contridiction from Kimmykim herself, that she does not speak the 'Word of God'. Grow up.

KimmyKim is an employee of Epassports/Epoch. You really think she doesn't have an agenda ?

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scooby doo as scooby does

WTF are YOU talking about ???

WSB went under because of chargebacks, fines and related issues, absolutely fuck-all to do with VISA registration/fee compliance.

Read their emails, their web site. It's all spelled out.

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scooby doo as scooby does

Jeez, are you really that stupid ?

Do you not understand that VISA have just cost the adult industry millions of pounds ? Do you not understand why ?

Do you want VISA to charge you even more ? Do you want them to implement even more 'registration and administration' regulations ?

If not, then stop whining about how clueless Globill is and understand why they are doing this.

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psyko514

Did you read their emails/website a few months ago when they said everything was fine? They fucked people over for hundreds of millions and you're gonna believe every word they say?

As for KimmyKim's employment status, she does not work for Epoch, she works for ePassporte. And she used to work for ccBill. She knows what she's talking about when it comes to processing, even more so than some of the IPSP reps who post here (for example, the ACPay rep who didn't believe that Visa Canada and Visa USA were to different regions)

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scooby doo as scooby does

I am not defending WSB. When a processor goes under, it sux.

Do I believe every word they say ? No. I look back at the history, of the court actions (well documented), at the history of massive fines. I look at it all.

The conclusion is the most likely reason WSB went under was either 1) Inability to pay fines, or 2) Pressure from VISA --> bank regarding inordinately large amounts of chargebacks.

But, what has happened is that people with an agenda have leap on this, bent the truth a little, and are using it as a stick to beat Globill's back.

You have your view of her. I have mine. Lets agree to differ.

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The problem I see with this is not whether or not Globill has the right to create their own policies, which they clearly do. The problem, as I see it is what this is doing is setting a precedent for other processors to follow. We switched from using the word "boy" in most of our stuff, to twink *because* it does have less controversial ideas associated with it in the gay world. If straight people are picking up on bad associations to the word twink it is only in relation to CP sites they may have come across that use the word mistakenly thinking it somehow means under 18. I assume many CP sites probably use the word boy or girl and of course teens as well as young. Someone mentioned changing all twink sites to refer to young men, but couldn't the word "young" also end up on a processor hit list? When processors begin banning words, rather than looking at the content contained in the site and making a judgement from there, we are all in trouble, straight sites included. They will only move the goal post further and further away until all any of us can say is "smelly old men in 3 piece suits smoking cigars" or "cranky old ladies with moth infested pussies." Do you really think that banning a word will somehow stop CP sites from processing? They could name their site anything and use any words to describe it...even smelly old men in 3 piece suits smoking cigars - it's the way they ADVERTISE and their content it that will get them members, not the actual words associated with the site. The whole thing is ridiculous and only hurts legitimate sites.

-joe

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jimmyf

have you checked the fat in ding dongs? I never had until the other day they were on sale, pointed it out to some guy and he showed me, I put' em back (all but two packs), I'm down to 177 lbs and want to get down to 165.

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Theo

great 1st post

yall

Globill is the best.

HeadPimp

So change the slang. Make up a new word and use it in about 100 TGP galleries and whala.. New term.. New Word to search by..

HeadPimp

165# ?? Damn... I passed by that when I was like 15.
I was just noticing that I had bopped up above 265# and was needing to get my ass back in the gym.

tonkagunner

John Asshahahahaha doesn't like homos. It is evil and is satans work. Homos are agents of satan. It is proobably his policy to put a stop to such evildoers by pressuring VISA/MASTERCARD. Words like 'twink' homo, gay should all be banned cause they are evil

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ozzymandius

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Kimmykim

Look dumbass, for the last time. I am NOT an employee anywhere. I do not have a job. I have CLIENTS, which number well and beyond ePassporte but do NOT include Epoch.

Ok now that we have that settled, let's look at your funny comments to Backov --

Obviously YOU are the clueless one. Someone that has been improperly acquiring under the Visa US definitions does not just move their clients OR their databases into the US at the drop of a hat. It just doesn't work that way any more. Visa US has, at their discretion, the right to refuse to allow US banks to issue merchant accounts to ANYONE they want to, including IPSPs, if they choose.

I guess you dont know so much about card processing as you claim to.

AmeliaG

Twink does not necessarily mean underage, but it can refer to underage cuties any place I have lived. I am no banker or processing expert, so I have no idea if it is a good business decision for Globill to be down on the word when the content is legal. But there is nothing homophobic about knowing the implications. The youthfulness implied does not need to mean underage, but . . .

Example:

Cute high school junior dancing his slender butt off at a nightclub could not be posted nude on your site but could reasonably be referred to as a twink.

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Yes, but he could also be referred to as a teen, or a young man or a boy or just plain young. Someone looking for CP is most likely looking for kids, not teenagers. I mean in reality..what's a CP site more likely to use? Check out this hot 8 year old twink? The logic is off the wall. As I said before..it's just going to hurt legitimate businesses who abide by the laws.

-joe

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Rip

They are a credit card processor who pays, charges a little higher percentage than others, and scrubs the transactions very thoroughly.

It's their way, if you don't like the TOS, then get someone else.

Obviously this policy is theirs to preclude anything which may come down from credit card merchant banks

and it isn't anything new, they've been doing it from the outset...

scooby doo as scooby does

My point still stands, anyone with half a dozen braincells can see you have an agenda. Just happens to be a freelance one rather than an employee one.

Nevetheless, I apologise for the incorrect information.

*sigh* You make it too easy.
Okay, lets completely ignore the fact that ACPay are currently moving their US webmasters over without, apparently, any problems........

Who has been improperly acquiring under VISA US ? Certainly not US webmasters with Globill, Verotel and other non-VISA US IPSP's.

*Stop* ! *think* ! about what your've just said for a moment.

You really think, say, VISA ASIA (or whereever Globill operate, I'll use VISA ASIA from now on) are aiding and abetting the breaking of VISA US regs ?

Of course fucking not. Ever since this debacle began certain fee paying processors, the ones that just rolled over and shafted their webmasters, have been repeating time after time that any US webmasters who didn't pay the fee *right now* would be fucked. It's a lie. It was a lie then, it's a lie now. It was a scare tactic (along with the 'Globill will close down' lie) to try and stop the bucket loads of webmasters who left these shady processors.


I am truly surprized to find someone like you peddling that crap. VISA ASIA shafting VISA US, heh heh heh.....you certainly have an imagination KimmyKim.




P.S. That's MISTER Dumbass to you.

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Elephant_Gut

Right on bruddah!!

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wonton

so did you want salt with that foot kimmy?

edit: btw, their use of the word "editorial" is within definition. go earn some english.

Kimmykim

The only foot problem I have is the titanium plate they put in one of them today.

My comments stand as I wrote them.

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AmeliaG

I think we can all agree that someone who wants to see pictures of small children being tortured has a few more screws loose than someone who just really likes Fast Times at Ridgemont High. But an adult site with models under 18 would be a no-no either way and I think that is Globill's concern. A site that was like check out this hot 16 year old twink would still be CP, although I think you are correct that sickos who like 8 year olds would be unlikely to call the objects of their desire twinks.

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I absolutely agree with you Amelia. But then this type of situation needs to be taken on a case by case basis. They seem to be instituting a rule which would take out about 50% of the gay sites on the internet if they were processing with GloBill as an easy way of getting rid of that 1 in 100000 who might have underage material, rather doing things the hard way - going through site by site to make sure they are compliant, something I think they are all going to have to start doing eventually. Getting rid of a word does not get rid of the problem. If they are going to start being police officers, then do it right...don't punish the innocent with the guilty.

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