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cerulean 09-30-2025 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 23402280)
I know you're new here, but no, we do not :1orglaugh
Ah well--I've worked on a lot of bad software over the years. You get what you pay for!

asorelli 09-30-2025 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by celandina (Post 23402224)
You started a thread how B to B is fucked
I'm telling you, it is f'd for sure ... at least for the small, relatively unknown guys trying to hustle a much needed (somewhat inexpensive) quality service. That has always been a challenge, but now so more than ever.

*This is my experience, your mileage may vary. I was wondering how others were doing, hence the post.

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Originally Posted by celandina (Post 23402224)
NO, I have NOT said or suggested that I have paid you anything.

and BTW, I have not read the rest of your "novella".
I'll keep the novel short, just wanted to explain more. haha Anyway, it was late and I was bored. I'm not mad, sounded like you were. I was going to ignore your post, but that's kind of rude. lol

Post those other clips that you received if you want (or if they allow it), I'll post the two I sent you as well. Just curious. Again, this post or service I'm talking about has nothing to do with AI, but, maybe there is someone lurking who can do exactly what you need.

Shoplifter 09-30-2025 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by asorelli (Post 23402113)
Capitalism for the win, no doubt! Govt just needs to keep their grubby hands out of the jar. They collect enough in taxes. :2 cents:
This is the biggest issue in Canada, in that taxes are the difference between prosperity and debt for families. If you own a home and have kids in school then most likely you are paying 45% of income to various taxes.

The socialists here are desperate to hold onto this revenue at any cost and are running the country into impossible debt to maintain their insanity.

We are not that far from Portland perhaps Mr Trump can liberate us as well.

Rochard 09-30-2025 12:26 PM
It's the economy. Everyone is cutting back everywhere.

USB Bank predicts there is a 93% chance of recession this year:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/major...193000113.html

I learned my lesson in the last recession and invested my time and effort into what I hope will be recession proof this time around...

asorelli 09-30-2025 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by cerulean (Post 23402244)
Even $1500 seems a little light for a custom website, depending on how you define "custom". In the mainstream, a non-interactive landing page comes in around $2000 minimum. That might seem like a lot, but not really. Let's say it takes anywhere between 5-15 hours to do. You might spend 50% of that time on actual coding, graphic design, etc. and 50% doing email/video consults and touch-ups or adjustments. All of it is time spent, though.

On a good day, you might make $400/hr and on a bad day, you make $130/hr. That sure sounds like a lot! But after taxes, you're taking home like 70% of that--and then if you're freelance, you're paying 3% up-front with Stripe, PayPal, etc., then you have to pay for your own healthcare, retirement, banking fees, professional fees (marketing, accounting, legal), etc. You might still be taking home $60/day after everything is said and done. These are mainstream numbers by the way--do we not value adult at a better rate? It requires a niche skill set and you want someone trustworthy to work on your business.

$300? Yeah, I don't think I could afford to take that job either. If it took you 5 days to put together a website like that, at $300, you would be looking at $15k/yr. That's the federal poverty level in the U.S.
A recent request was from someone who offers games. When I say custom, it's not just a plug and play template. Let's just say, semi-custom, non-interactive site, 15 - 20 pages, profiles for each game, reviews, customer testimonials, contact form +map, about, careers page, frequently asked, teams page, expanded/drop down menu, and a few others can't remember off hand. Did not indicate if needed any sort of cms or just wants static html, either way, no difference. 5 days includes all time spent, plus revisions. I mean, can probably bang one out quicker with everything in place, but, more or less, I'm spending 5 days (maybe not full days) on it. So, yeah ... to do something like that for $300 is a stretch to say the least.

cerulean 09-30-2025 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by asorelli (Post 23402334)
A recent request was from someone who offers games. When I say custom, it's not just a plug and play template. Let's just say, semi-custom, non-interactive site, 15 - 20 pages, profiles for each game, reviews, customer testimonials, contact form +map, about, careers page, frequently asked, teams page, expanded/drop down menu, and a few others can't remember off hand. Did not indicate if needed any sort of cms or just wants static html, either way, no difference. 5 days includes all time spent, plus revisions. I mean, can probably bang one out quicker with everything in place, but, more or less, I'm spending 5 days (maybe not full days) on it. So, yeah ... to do something like that for $300 is a stretch to say the least.
15-20 pages and you can get that done in 5 days part-time? I mean, certainly a lot of things can be re-used, but the back-and-forth alone on feedback in my experience takes longer than that. Yeah, $300 is not even close.

asorelli 09-30-2025 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by cerulean (Post 23402336)
15-20 pages and you can get that done in 5 days part-time? I mean, certainly a lot of things can be re-used, but the back-and-forth alone on feedback in my experience takes longer than that. Yeah, $300 is not even close.
Was a quick "estimate" of time needed. But, you're probably right, I'm sure it would end up taking more time than that. Either way, a project like that should be valued at much more than $300, that's for sure.

asorelli 09-30-2025 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 23402325)
It's the economy. Everyone is cutting back everywhere.

USB Bank predicts there is a 93% chance of recession this year:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/major...193000113.html

I learned my lesson in the last recession and invested my time and effort into what I hope will be recession proof this time around...

This and uncertainty could be the factors driving peoples thinking right now. A recession could very well be on the way. Definitely good thinking, but I guess the question is, what exactly is recession proof? Necessary items obviously is the first to come to mind .... if you don't want to share, I get it.

asorelli 09-30-2025 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Huggles (Post 23402270)
Going anywhere with your family in Canada... leaving the house you can expect to pay $200+ to do anything.

$25 in gas
$30 entry fee to Energy Plex, an indoor playground
$5 bottles of water

Hang out and have fun there for a bit...

Take the family for lunch at Old Spaghetti Factory(cheap!)... 2 adults, 1 kid... $60 after tax and tip no booze...

Drive by a local park and they have a family friendly event... $20 face painting, $14 per beer/glass of wine(x2), $8 bar of cool looking soap your kid wants...

$176 real fast and it's only 2-3 PM at this point...

Yes, we could pack P&J sandwiches for lunch and drink tap water, could have also gone to an outdoor playground instead of the air conditioned indoor one, too.
That does seem like it could add up to be an expensive day. I'm guessing entertainment and eating out will be the first things to go if/when times get tough(er).

Have you been dealing with any businesses for business? Or even individuals? What's the status with that?

asorelli 09-30-2025 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Shoplifter (Post 23402324)
This is the biggest issue in Canada, in that taxes are the difference between prosperity and debt for families. If you own a home and have kids in school then most likely you are paying 45% of income to various taxes.

The socialists here are desperate to hold onto this revenue at any cost and are running the country into impossible debt to maintain their insanity.

We are not that far from Portland perhaps Mr Trump can liberate us as well.
Wow, 45% is way too much. Are you including taxes on non-food items, property taxes and what not? Or is that only income tax?

Oh, trust me, I don't think that dude will financially liberate anyone, well, maybe himself. I'm pretty sure he filed bk, several times ... just saying.

asorelli 09-30-2025 03:10 PM
Fiddy Broke Bitches

Quote:
Originally Posted by cerulean (Post 23402244)
These are mainstream numbers by the way--do we not value adult at a better rate?
Quote:
Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 23402280)
I know you're new here, but no, we do not :1orglaugh
Sort of fitting, but jk. haha

celandina 10-01-2025 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by asorelli (Post 23402321)
I'm telling you, it is f'd for sure ... at least for the small, relatively unknown guys trying to hustle a much needed (somewhat inexpensive) quality service. That has always been a challenge, but now so more than ever.

*This is my experience, your mileage may vary. I was wondering how others were doing, hence the post.



I'll keep the novel short, just wanted to explain more. haha Anyway, it was late and I was bored. I'm not mad, sounded like you were. I was going to ignore your post, but that's kind of rude. lol

Post those other clips that you received if you want (or if they allow it), I'll post the two I sent you as well. Just curious. Again, this post or service I'm talking about has nothing to do with AI, but, maybe there is someone lurking who can do exactly what you need.
Spoke like well balanced individual. :thumbsup My whole point was that we ( a business company, I call it a "B" as to B to B) wanted to spend money for services from other "Bs", but there were no takers NOT because of money BUT because not being able to deliver the goods.

And as to the clips ? Feel free to post them here if you wish. Especially the 15 second continuous AI shot with two ladies ( one nude) kissing and fondling each other :winkwink: I just checked the others and all 3 have taken their test clips down or ID'd ( watermarked) their clips and I do NOT feel comfortable to disclose them.

datingmaster 10-01-2025 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Shoplifter (Post 23402089)
In Canada we called him Trudeau.
You are aware he's gone?

It Carney(val) now...

and in a few years it will be Xavier Trudeau :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

celandina 10-02-2025 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by datingmaster (Post 23402566)
You are aware he's gone?

It Carney(val) now...

and in a few years it will be Xavier Trudeau :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
No No it will be one of these guys :


https://www.sikhnet.com/files/styles...?itok=qGsA56gG

datingmaster 10-02-2025 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by celandina (Post 23402650)
No No it will be one of these guys :


https://www.sikhnet.com/files/styles...?itok=qGsA56gG
At least they'll be dancing and fireworks in the streets of Brampton :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

asorelli 10-02-2025 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by celandina (Post 23402650)
No No it will be one of these guys :


https://www.sikhnet.com/files/styles...?itok=qGsA56gG
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Originally Posted by datingmaster (Post 23402668)
At least they'll be dancing and fireworks in the streets of Brampton :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
:1orglaugh

asorelli 10-02-2025 12:04 PM
For anyone curious, here are some stats so far:

- 1 Month of market research time
- 4 Months dev time, testing, adding dummy content
- 1 Month working on call script, email marketing material and gathering data

3 guys on the phone for 3 weeks and so far everyone just wants to go with the freebie being offered. Price point ranges between $50 - $300

*It's a solid service and these prices are low in comparison to any competition

Zero response on email campaign.

If one biz is not doing great, it's not always easy to just jump to the next, unless you already have a good amount of traffic you can push to it immediately. Clearly starting a new venture is not always easy. And you still have build out/dev time and what not for anything new. Unless it's just a simple white label type project or something similar. I think most go years before making any profits, but those are angel funded, trust fund, daddy money type operations or what not. Time is money and the time spent on this, was money lost elsewhere. Not giving up by any means, just a very poor response so far. I don't have enough info to determine why such a bad response yet, so again, figured I'd see how others are doing.

asorelli 10-02-2025 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by celandina (Post 23402415)
Spoke like well balanced individual. :thumbsup My whole point was that we ( a business company, I call it a "B" as to B to B) wanted to spend money for services from other "Bs", but there were no takers NOT because of money BUT because not being able to deliver the goods.

And as to the clips ? Feel free to post them here if you wish. Especially the 15 second continuous AI shot with two ladies ( one nude) kissing and fondling each other :winkwink: I just checked the others and all 3 have taken their test clips down or ID'd ( watermarked) their clips and I do NOT feel comfortable to disclose them.
:thumbsup

If you don't find anyone else soon or at some point, I may still be able to offer what you need, without involving way too much time. As you can see by the post above, I've been sort of involved with trying to get something else moving and my time has been limited. Will keep in touch / keep you posted.

celandina 10-03-2025 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by asorelli (Post 23402743)
:thumbsup

If you don't find anyone else soon or at some point, I may still be able to offer what you need, without involving way too much time. As you can see by the post above, I've been sort of involved with trying to get something else moving and my time has been limited. Will keep in touch / keep you posted.
My issue is your "irregular and unsure" communication. Even in this post you refer to:"I may still be able"....."my time has been limited". I have said to you come back to me once you are able to do what I require. You know everything from our 37 emails. I am noticing literally 100s of AI stuff on youtube, sexy and excellent, yet they all have the same problem" No nudity and NOT longer shots then 5 seconds....like these guys:

https://www.youtube.com/@VSSEVEN/shorts
https://www.youtube.com/@BEAUTYCITYLIFE/shorts
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsx...W8-oqBdp5C8ypA

.. and there are many others....

HowTF they monetise all the gymnasts, figure-skaters, divers and babes in lingerie on "planes, trains and automobiles"... ALL spreading their legs, or max. in same sexy lingerie ,beats me!

... and one more thing. I have re-read the whole thread, yet I do NOT know what is consuming all your time, what is the mysterious new business? And to the fact that there are NO takers, maybe what you are working on is not needed? Here, I am offering guaranteed agreed to payment and a long term business = basic economy class 101, yet you are saying..... " maybe I can find some time"...

Mr Pheer 10-03-2025 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by celandina (Post 23402876)
My issue is your "irregular and unsure" communication. Even in this post you refer to:"I may still be able"....."my time has been limited". I have said to you come back to me once you are able to do what I require. You know everything from our 37 emails. I am noticing literally 100s of AI stuff on youtube, sexy and excellent, yet they all have the same problem" No nudity and NOT longer shots then 5 seconds....like these guys:

https://www.youtube.com/@VSSEVEN/shorts
https://www.youtube.com/@BEAUTYCITYLIFE/shorts
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsx...W8-oqBdp5C8ypA

.. and there are many others....

HowTF they monetise all the gymnasts, figure-skaters, divers and babes in lingerie on "planes, trains and automobiles"... ALL spreading their legs, or max. in same sexy lingerie ,beats me!
I just wrapped this up...
https://gfy.com/23402803-post5.html

Anyways, bringing it into video will be Monday's project. I dont see doing stuff like the sleeping girls on the train to be much challenge at all. It's easy to make the same girl do anything that the Ai will allow in any scene, even convert from one reality to another, like from real human to comic character, or into a handcrafted doll or an android, in any art style.

Mr Pheer 10-03-2025 02:27 AM


Ok thats pretty cool. But looks very fake. What if I did way better?

What is the angle on this, where is the money?

INever 10-03-2025 05:37 AM
There's hardly any money in real girls.

Certain conehead dark bastards want humans to be squeamish about IRL reproduction so they can move that "process" over to the lab.

I'm not helping them.

asorelli 10-03-2025 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 23402877)
Anyways, bringing it into video will be Monday's project. I dont see doing stuff like the sleeping girls on the train to be much challenge at all. It's easy to make the same girl do anything that the Ai will allow in any scene
The challenge is the nudity / sex part, length (15+ seconds) and multiple characters doing different things per scene. If you can figure most of that out, then you're good and can probably offer it as a service. As I'm sure you're aware, the best AI is only available for mainstream, so you have to use "sub-par" tech at the moment. Not sure how much you've done with it yet, but I suspect once you start doing more of it, you'll see the issues.

asorelli 10-03-2025 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by celandina (Post 23402876)
My issue is your "irregular and unsure" communication. Even in this post you refer to:"I may still be able"....."my time has been limited". I have said to you come back to me once you are able to do what I require. You know everything from our 37 emails. I am noticing literally 100s of AI stuff on youtube, sexy and excellent, yet they all have the same problem" No nudity and NOT longer shots then 5 seconds....like these guys:

https://www.youtube.com/@VSSEVEN/shorts
https://www.youtube.com/@BEAUTYCITYLIFE/shorts
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsx...W8-oqBdp5C8ypA

.. and there are many others....

HowTF they monetise all the gymnasts, figure-skaters, divers and babes in lingerie on "planes, trains and automobiles"... ALL spreading their legs, or max. in same sexy lingerie ,beats me!

... and one more thing. I have re-read the whole thread, yet I do NOT know what is consuming all your time, what is the mysterious new business? And to the fact that there are NO takers, maybe what you are working on is not needed? Here, I am offering guaranteed agreed to payment and a long term business = basic economy class 101, yet you are saying..... " maybe I can find some time"...
Yeah, like I said, I've been knee deep in this project, so my time has been limited. I did get you a couple previews/demos none the less, at least to get a better idea. I get it's not 100% what you need as of yet, so we'll see what I can come up with, if anything.

No mystery about the biz, but it's not adult, and most here don't give a shit anyway. But it's what I know best, and a twist on the "lead gen" that was successful for me in the past and since I've invested a good amount of time into this project, and it's a much more "potentially" lucrative industry -- it has to take priority. That's not to say that I won't do other things, because as I mentioned, I often work on several projects at once. It's a solid concept, but it's a combination of the economy, uncertainty, people are cheap, and it is a new, relatively unknown platform. So ... have a few obstacles to overcome.

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Originally Posted by celandina (Post 23402876)

HowTF they monetise all the gymnasts, figure-skaters, divers and babes in lingerie on "planes, trains and automobiles"... ALL spreading their legs, or max. in same sexy lingerie ,beats me!
They are chasing subscribers and more views for ad $$.

Mr Pheer 10-03-2025 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by asorelli (Post 23402935)
The challenge is the nudity / sex part, length (15+ seconds) and multiple characters doing different things per scene. If you can figure most of that out, then you're good and can probably offer it as a service. As I'm sure you're aware, the best AI is only available for mainstream, so you have to use "sub-par" tech at the moment. Not sure how much you've done with it yet, but I suspect once you start doing more of it, you'll see the issues.
Well thats why I don't even try to adult with it. Why waste time with it when the rest of the world is wide open? Controlling characters and getting them to do things is easy with their clothes on. Making my own Ai product and getting them to share them is easy too. Making a Terminator smile like he enjoys Cheese Soda (which i invented) so easy....

https://i.imgur.com/ulGXmYH.png

I've got character control locked down for start/end frames.

https://i.imgur.com/sDKLfHW.png

Even making them do different things.

https://i.imgur.com/2o2V7Bn.png

I step into video next week.

asorelli 10-03-2025 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 23402974)
Well thats why I don't even try to adult with it. Why waste time with it when the rest of the world is wide open? Controlling characters and getting them to do things is easy with their clothes on. Making my own Ai product and getting them to share them is easy too. Making a Terminator smile like he enjoys Cheese Soda (which i invented) so easy....

https://i.imgur.com/ulGXmYH.png

I've got character control locked down for start/end frames.

https://i.imgur.com/sDKLfHW.png

Even making them do different things.

https://i.imgur.com/2o2V7Bn.png

I step into video next week.
Yeah, I'll have to agree, much bigger market for non-adult with it for sure. Looks good so far. If you integrate the video portion, I think it will be a solid product. :thumbsup

You planning on selling it or just using it for yourself?

celandina 10-04-2025 08:21 AM
To Mr Peer:

Quote:
Well thats why I don't even try to adult with it. Why waste time with it when the rest of the world is wide open? Controlling characters and getting them to do things is easy with their clothes on. Making my own Ai product and getting them to share them is easy too. Making a Terminator smile like he enjoys Cheese Soda (which i invented) so easy....
You did answer your own question to me. As Anthony Sorelli states:

Quote:
The challenge is the nudity / sex part, length (15+ seconds) and multiple characters doing different things per scene. If you can figure most of that out, then you're good and can probably offer it as a service.
as you have posted

https://youtu.be/oZEkSGellX4?si=9CFJfjE9aLUUCns-

This is very close in quality but as above NO nudity, NO interaction and short shots.

I am trying to construct a movie , not some silly clip:2 cents::thumbsup

celandina 10-04-2025 08:23 AM
To Anthony


Originally Posted by celandina

HowTF they monetise all the gymnasts, figure-skaters, divers and babes in lingerie on "planes, trains and automobiles"... ALL spreading their legs, or max. in same sexy lingerie ,beats me!

Quote:
They are chasing subscribers and more views for ad $$.
Chasing YouTube clicks is not my business model.

asorelli 10-04-2025 01:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by celandina (Post 23403072)
To Anthony


Originally Posted by celandina

HowTF they monetise all the gymnasts, figure-skaters, divers and babes in lingerie on "planes, trains and automobiles"... ALL spreading their legs, or max. in same sexy lingerie ,beats me!



Chasing YouTube clicks is not my business model.
Oh, I know exactly what you're trying to do. I thought you had a question, "beats me?" I was simply telling you HowTF (how the fuck?) they monetize.

Mr Pheer 10-04-2025 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by asorelli (Post 23402984)
Yeah, I'll have to agree, much bigger market for non-adult with it for sure. Looks good so far. If you integrate the video portion, I think it will be a solid product. :thumbsup

You planning on selling it or just using it for yourself?
It started off as just tools I built for myself, then some others asked if I sold them and i did sell one in late '24, but these I'm just putting on a website and letting others buy credits just like any other Ai site is doing.

asorelli 10-04-2025 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 23403098)
It started off as just tools I built for myself, then some others asked if I sold them and i did sell one in late '24, but these I'm just putting on a website and letting others buy credits just like any other Ai site is doing.
Yeah, I've got some stuff just sitting on the shelf, so made the decision to sell them, instead of trying to compete with others in "whatever" industry the tool was designed for. Obviously, there's a few of those in existence already, and I don't plan on offering anything unique (but the products themselves) and what not, and really, everything is competitive these days ... gotta pick something and run with it. I mean, there's a lot of people selling AI services for credits, several selling software, many selling themselves and everything under the sun and in between. I have a good number of authors on board that have some good talent, and ready to add their products, so that's a bonus. But, like with anything else, we shall see. Meanwhile, corporate giants continue to kill it ...

If you've got anything (you're not already selling) or plan on using and you want to add it to an up and coming marketplace, let me know. As long as it's not filled with bugs and you support it, then it's all good.


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