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cyberbot · 05-30-2003, 05:20 AM

This site is suspected of total fraud:

www.freshpornxxx.com

CCBill just refunded every sale this site made for us.

Anyone know the site owner?

Qumbus · 05-30-2003, 05:24 AM

I don't see why any biller would just rebill all sales that came from one particular TGP..... what did he do for the biller to take those actions?

cyberbot · 05-30-2003, 05:26 AM

They won't say they almost terminated our account for his sales.

Qumbus · 05-30-2003, 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cyberbot
They won't say they almost terminated our account for his sales.

Must have something to do with stolen credit card sales or something i think.

cyberbot · 05-30-2003, 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Qumbus

Must have something to do with stolen credit card sales or something i think.

Yes credit fraud I think?

cyberbot · 05-30-2003, 05:35 AM

He signed up with our pay per signup program. He now owes us money. Im sick and tired of all the fucken fraud in the industry!!! This is a big issue. He must of been spoofing ips because he was good at hiding it.

EscortBiz · 05-30-2003, 06:10 AM

was he sending check signups or credit card signups?

basschick · 05-30-2003, 06:12 AM

do you check your stats to see the urls of the pages your webmasters send traffic from, and then check the pages out?

a few years ago, i caught a defrauding webmaster using logic. he had sent less than 20 hits total and made i think 11 sales. i looked at the page, and he sure wasn't filtering. i contacted ccbill, and the next day they told me every sale was fraud!

PR_Phil · 05-30-2003, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Qumbus
I don't see why any biller would just rebill all sales that came from one particular TGP..... what did he do for the biller to take those actions?

you mean refund?

cyberbot · 05-30-2003, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by basschick
do you check your stats to see the urls of the pages your webmasters send traffic from, and then check the pages out?

a few years ago, i caught a defrauding webmaster using logic. he had sent less than 20 hits total and made i think 11 sales. i looked at the page, and he sure wasn't filtering. i contacted ccbill, and the next day they told me every sale was fraud!

Yes, we had a case like that to but this time the guy was sending us unique clicks.

It was credit card signups.

cyberbot · 05-30-2003, 06:25 AM

We averaged about 1-3 signups a day from his site and he sent about 600 unique hits.

Konda · 05-31-2003, 02:23 PM

It's probably the same people who almost got Dutchbilling bankrupt. They scammed many webmaster programs and processors.

They seem to have a huge database of creditcards, including full addresses, cv2, etc. For each signup they use different IP addresses/proxies, so each signup they send looks unique.

It took Dutchbilling over 2 months before they noticed that these people send over 50 fake signups a day. As soon as they became aware of the fraud they have refunded every suspicous transaction, probably too late because they are beeing flooded with chargebacks now.

The scammers were using free email addresses from mail.com (you can get free email addresses @ many, many different domains there). They also use some way to send fake traffic with proxies, so the clicks/signup ratio seems normal as well.

The webbrowsers used for the fake signups orignated from Russia and Australia. The addresses for checks and wire information came from countries like russia and israel.

I think they have access to the complete customer databases of some really big card issuers from the US, since many of the fraud signups came from the same card number ranges, and since they have full names and addresses, etc. it's not generated with some hacker program.

I think these people are very smart and when they get cought they will change their tactics and move on to different niches/sponsors/programs/processors so it won't be easy to stop them.

loverboy · 05-31-2003, 02:33 PM

what? this is terrible.

easyfun · 05-31-2003, 02:38 PM

I think this is the same guy I called fraud@ccbill over - Joined my program and it was evident right from the start there was a scam -
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=138516
It took a few emails to ccbill to convince them -

What pisses me off is this- I caught this hahahaha and finally got ccbill to see it as a scam -
Ccbill have repaid all the credit card charges back to each owner - But my stats still show this hahahaha getting his percentage! Ccbill - Wake the fuck up!

But all you guys running programmes - Watch your stats and be on the ball -

easyfun · 05-31-2003, 02:41 PM

Why is it you can say fuck - But C_U_N_T comes out as hahahaha?

easyfun · 05-31-2003, 03:39 PM

Quote:

We averaged about 1-3 signups a day from his site and he sent about 600 unique hits

To start with, those figures should have had you thinking long before ths ccp!

Whoever is doing this has everything needed to pass this off as genuine, except a brain to make it work -
1) He is doing it in batches - X sign ups in an hour then sfa for a few hours,
2)He is choosig the highsest value for his own payout.
3) He is using ip addresses too close to each other.
4) He is not showing the hits needed for these sales to your home pages.
5) Using remarkably similar email addresses

He is:
Getting other things right:
Correct cc address
correct cvv2
Correct zip

So this guy is someone inside the biz - He is someone who has worked - or is working - in a situation where he gets all the info needed to pass this off - cvv2 being the main point.

That narrows the field down to a few million - However - The mistakes and greediness shown in the transactions (Had he been patient and only gone for a couple of sales a day with each programme - He would have gotten a way with it for a long time) leads me to believe the guy will be caught very quickly. The person made too many mistakes to get away with this!

easyfun · 05-31-2003, 03:42 PM

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05-30-2003, 05:20 AM	#1
cyberbot Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 62	Sponsors read! This site is suspected of total fraud: www.freshpornxxx.com CCBill just refunded every sale this site made for us. Anyone know the site owner?

05-30-2003, 05:24 AM	#2
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05-31-2003, 02:23 PM	#12
Konda ... Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,280	It's probably the same people who almost got Dutchbilling bankrupt. They scammed many webmaster programs and processors. They seem to have a huge database of creditcards, including full addresses, cv2, etc. For each signup they use different IP addresses/proxies, so each signup they send looks unique. It took Dutchbilling over 2 months before they noticed that these people send over 50 fake signups a day. As soon as they became aware of the fraud they have refunded every suspicous transaction, probably too late because they are beeing flooded with chargebacks now. The scammers were using free email addresses from mail.com (you can get free email addresses @ many, many different domains there). They also use some way to send fake traffic with proxies, so the clicks/signup ratio seems normal as well. The webbrowsers used for the fake signups orignated from Russia and Australia. The addresses for checks and wire information came from countries like russia and israel. I think they have access to the complete customer databases of some really big card issuers from the US, since many of the fraud signups came from the same card number ranges, and since they have full names and addresses, etc. it's not generated with some hacker program. I think these people are very smart and when they get cought they will change their tactics and move on to different niches/sponsors/programs/processors so it won't be easy to stop them. Last edited by Konda; 05-31-2003 at 02:27 PM..

05-31-2003, 02:38 PM	#14
easyfun Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 731	I think this is the same guy I called fraud@ccbill over - Joined my program and it was evident right from the start there was a scam - http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=138516 It took a few emails to ccbill to convince them - What pisses me off is this- I caught this hahahaha and finally got ccbill to see it as a scam - Ccbill have repaid all the credit card charges back to each owner - But my stats still show this hahahaha getting his percentage! Ccbill - Wake the fuck up! But all you guys running programmes - Watch your stats and be on the ball - __________________ <p><embed width="120" height="60" src="http://www.harlotcash.com/harlot_3.swf"><br> </p>

05-30-2003, 05:26 AM	#3
cyberbot Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 62	They won't say they almost terminated our account for his sales.

05-30-2003, 05:35 AM	#6
cyberbot Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 62	He signed up with our pay per signup program. He now owes us money. Im sick and tired of all the fucken fraud in the industry!!! This is a big issue. He must of been spoofing ips because he was good at hiding it.

05-30-2003, 06:12 AM	#8
basschick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: el lay, ca usa Posts: 2,540	do you check your stats to see the urls of the pages your webmasters send traffic from, and then check the pages out? a few years ago, i caught a defrauding webmaster using logic. he had sent less than 20 hits total and made i think 11 sales. i looked at the page, and he sure wasn't filtering. i contacted ccbill, and the next day they told me every sale was fraud!

05-30-2003, 06:25 AM	#11
cyberbot Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 62	We averaged about 1-3 signups a day from his site and he sent about 600 unique hits.

05-31-2003, 02:33 PM	#13
loverboy When it rains, it pours Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 20,609	what? this is terrible.

05-31-2003, 02:41 PM	#15
easyfun Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 731	Why is it you can say fuck - But C_U_N_T comes out as hahahaha? __________________ <p><embed width="120" height="60" src="http://www.harlotcash.com/harlot_3.swf"><br> </p>

05-31-2003, 03:42 PM	#17
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