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  • mrmarlowe
    Confirmed User
    • Jan 2009
    • 460
    #1

    Age Verification Question

    Regarding the new UK age verification laws that are soon to come into effect. I must admit I haven't really read up on it much but am just starting to think about it and how we can implement it. We're based in the UK so have to comply with the new UK age verification laws...I notice some websites are already making changes to their sites. Like the Wank it Now sites:

    https://www.wankitnow.com/
    https://www.upskirtjerk.com/
    https://www.downblousejerk.com/

    They have removed all previews and model menus and trailers. I'm a bit baffled as to why they don't explain what each site is about and give some site details such as how many models they have and how many videos they have and how often they update, ect... If anyone has never heard of their sites before they aren't really going to be tempted to join any of the sites.

    My question is how do I know from which country someone is from when they view my site? As far as I understand I just have to not sure any adult content to anyone in the UK. I'm based in the UK.

    So if someone in Australia views any of my sites they should be able to see them as they currently are now with thumbnails of a sexual nature and nudity, ect... But if anyone in the UK views any of my sites they shouldn't be allowed to see anything of a sexual nature.

    I asked some of my members to look at the Wank it Now sites and they all see the same as me which is not much at all! And some are from the US and Canada and Japan and Germany, ect...

    So two questions: Do I have to block any adult content to all countries if they haven't been age verified. Or if it's just people in the UK I have to block adult content from until they have been verified how do I know which country they are from when they view one of my sites?
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    • drexl
      Whale Hunter
      • Jan 2016
      • 964
      #2
      You have to block UK visitors only (that's to satisfy Ofcom).

      To check visitor's geo, it depends on your stack (PHP, ...).

      You can ask your hosting provider. If you have Cloudflare it injects a header with a country code : CF-IPCountry

      UK country code is GB.
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        • mrmarlowe
          Confirmed User
          • Jan 2009
          • 460
          #3
          Originally posted by drexl
          You have to block UK visitors only (that's to satisfy Ofcom).

          To check visitor's geo, it depends on your stack (PHP, ...).

          You can ask your hosting provider. If you have Cloudflare it injects a header with a country code : CF-IPCountry

          UK country code is GB.
          Thanks. Some of my sites are just html so that might be a problem. I just don't understand why some sites like the Wank it Now sites are blocking all countries from seeing their preview videos and updates and model directory. Surely they would have the technical knowledge to just block UK surfers.
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            • cerulean
              Web & App Development
              • Oct 2023
              • 229
              #4
              Age verification is a complicated topic where no simple solution exists. I wish it did.

              At a minimum, I think you need some kind of legal representation to tell you exactly where you sit in regard to compliance. The same could be said for questions related to 2257s in the US, model releases, etc. I'm not a lawyer, and I don't think many of the posters here are lawyers either.

              None of the content you're showing appears to be blocked in the United States. So it seems they are doing some kind of geolocation work here. There are EU laws being discussed now, so maybe they're preemptively blocking locations they deem risky. Did you ask them?

              Geolocation is something you can integrate at the server level and also at the backend level. There are various services that perform this, some for a fee, others are free (and there is an inherent risk in inaccuracy.)

              Most of the systems that I have become familiar with that perform age verification as a service require a developer to integrate. Some software already has age verification integration as part of their system. How that works is up to them, and if you want something custom, generally you have to pay for it.

              It's a really messy time for age verification, because there is no official, international, fully vetted standard.
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                • mrmarlowe
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 460
                  #5
                  Originally posted by cerulean
                  Age verification is a complicated topic where no simple solution exists. I wish it did.

                  At a minimum, I think you need some kind of legal representation to tell you exactly where you sit in regard to compliance. The same could be said for questions related to 2257s in the US, model releases, etc. I'm not a lawyer, and I don't think many of the posters here are lawyers either.

                  None of the content you're showing appears to be blocked in the United States. So it seems they are doing some kind of geolocation work here. There are EU laws being discussed now, so maybe they're preemptively blocking locations they deem risky. Did you ask them?

                  Geolocation is something you can integrate at the server level and also at the backend level. There are various services that perform this, some for a fee, others are free (and there is an inherent risk in inaccuracy.)

                  Most of the systems that I have become familiar with that perform age verification as a service require a developer to integrate. Some software already has age verification integration as part of their system. How that works is up to them, and if you want something custom, generally you have to pay for it.

                  It's a really messy time for age verification, because there is no official, international, fully vetted standard.
                  Thanks. Yes this age verification is so complicated and unclear.

                  Interesting that for you the Wank it Now non-member pages still have content on like trailers. A few of the members of one of my sites are also in the US and they can't see the trailers or model menus now.

                  I have a few ideas to try and make things work once age verification laws kick in. I might ask our hosting company Mojo Host about it for advice.

                  I think most likely what we're going to do is just not have any adult images or videos on the non member pages. So just get rid of it for everyone no matter what country they live in. Then on the homepages of our sites we'll explain why this is but try to give a good description of what the sites are about.

                  We have a Preview Site that we are currently turning into a member site:

                  https://www.onlylookingpreview.com/

                  Previously it had video samples from our sites that anyone could see.

                  We will give all current and ex-members of our sites access to it. Also anyone can join for just $2.95 though we will have to verify their age when age verification laws come into effect. Members of the preview site will be able to see video samples and previews and will be able to see update pages for our sites and model menus. Because these will all be in the member section of the preview site age verification laws won't apply.
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                    • TubesBooster
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                      • Oct 2024
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                      #6
                      and what does the law say? how is the authorisation to be carried out ? Is it an external company ? or ?
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                        • NatalieK
                          Natalie K
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 20106
                          #7
                          Originally posted by mrmarlowe
                          Thanks. Some of my sites are just html so that might be a problem. I just don't understand why some sites like the Wank it Now sites are blocking all countries from seeing their preview videos and updates and model directory. Surely they would have the technical knowledge to just block UK surfers.
                          They´re not...


                          I can see previews & everything here in Spain.


                          Likewise with the MC sites, my site only displays the AV system for sites in the UK. I´ve spoke to the MC team & hopefully they´re going to create or allow site owners to create SFW tours, so the AVS would only need to trigger is purchasing the subscription
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                            • mrmarlowe
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 460
                              #8
                              Originally posted by NatalieK
                              They´re not...


                              I can see previews & everything here in Spain.


                              Likewise with the MC sites, my site only displays the AV system for sites in the UK. I´ve spoke to the MC team & hopefully they´re going to create or allow site owners to create SFW tours, so the AVS would only need to trigger is purchasing the subscription
                              Hi Natalie, thanks for letting me know that. I don't know how Wank it Now are doing things as it's odd that a lot of members from my sites in different countries can't see the Wank it Now previews.

                              I'm just thinking along the lines of not having any previews for my sites. Just a page explaining about age verification. But I'll look into it more soon and your suggestions regarding what you're doing with your site.

                              I've just checked your site out:

                              https://www.nataliek.xxx/

                              and because I'm in the UK I just get the age verification required box popping up.

                              A suggestion to you would be to make the image here:

                              https://www.nataliek.xxx/login

                              without the cock!

                              It's just that a minor could click on the link where it says Have an account? Login.

                              Highly unlikely though but it is showing an adult sexual image to someone who might not actually be age verified.
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                                • desertz1
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Sep 2010
                                  • 32
                                  #9
                                  "Also anyone can join for just $2.95 though we will have to verify their age when age verification laws come into effect." - if you're charging for access isn't that verifying someone's age? Or are our Ofcom Overlords not happy with that?
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                                    • mrmarlowe
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jan 2009
                                      • 460
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by desertz1
                                      "Also anyone can join for just $2.95 though we will have to verify their age when age verification laws come into effect." - if you're charging for access isn't that verifying someone's age? Or are our Ofcom Overlords not happy with that?
                                      I don't know. It's all a bit too confusing for me. My brain hurts!
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                                        • TheLegacy
                                          SEO & GEO Connoisseur
                                          • Apr 2003
                                          • 18078
                                          #11
                                          just dropping this piece of info

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                                            • fastball
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Apr 2021
                                              • 6280
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by mrmarlowe
                                              I don't know. It's all a bit too confusing for me. My brain hurts!
                                              I use Yoti for age verification. Choose your countries, states, continents if you like. Put up a SFW page that is enticing, and the verification takes place post CC info. Use a decent VPN, to see what your competition is doing in Kentucky.
                                              Here is an example of what I do in the areas I choose. BTW, I use an English AVS company called Yoti. But there is choice of AVS companies out there.

                                              https://stockingsvr.com/restricted/

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                                                • xxxclusive
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Oct 2012
                                                  • 785
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by fastball
                                                  I use Yoti for age verification. Choose your countries, states, continents if you like. Put up a SFW page that is enticing, and the verification takes place post CC info. Use a decent VPN, to see what your competition is doing in Kentucky.
                                                  Here is an example of what I do in the areas I choose. BTW, I use an English AVS company called Yoti. But there is choice of AVS companies out there.

                                                  https://stockingsvr.com/restricted/
                                                  If I would sign up with CC and then get asked for a face/ID scan I would click the x and issue a chargeback right away.

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                                                    • desertz1
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Sep 2010
                                                      • 32
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by mrmarlowe
                                                      I don't know. It's all a bit too confusing for me. My brain hurts!
                                                      "Per Ofcom’s guidance on highly effective age assurance measures, in the UK individuals must be over 18 to obtain a credit card, therefore credit card issuers are obliged to verify the age of applicants before providing them with a credit card.
                                                      3D Secure (3DS) adds strong customer authentication, adding an extra level of security confirming ownership of the card."

                                                      So if you're charging all visitors $2.95 or however much, you are complying - I think lol until they change their minds
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                                                        • INever
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Jan 2005
                                                          • 4031
                                                          #15
                                                          Does this mean google will require face scan ID age verification to look at uncensored (image) search results? Or Ebay or Amazon when buying an old playboy or hustler?
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                                                            • fastball
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Apr 2021
                                                              • 6280
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by xxxclusive
                                                              If I would sign up with CC and then get asked for a face/ID scan I would click the x and issue a chargeback right away.
                                                              Then I assume you have a better solution. Please share it with us. Or are you just ranting?

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                                                                • Tubevideditor
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Sep 2013
                                                                  • 352
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by fastball
                                                                  Then I assume you have a better solution. Please share it with us. Or are you just ranting?
                                                                  I see some (mainly bigger sites) using AV after the actual join from a soft/SFW tour but I do see how that could piss off some paying customers. I guess they are doing that for cost purposes as sites with big traffic would end up paying a shit ton of AV check fees with a much smaller percentage of surfers actually joining so that would be a loss making event.

                                                                  Other sites using a soft/SFW tour have AV before the join, then letting surfers see the proper NSFW tour, then the join as normal without the 'shock' of being greeted by AV checks once they've paid there hard earned cash before they can login.
                                                                  Its more cost to the site again with AV check fees but there are some that are totally free providing you self host the script.

                                                                  Then there's the ModelCentro way that are charging the customer for the AV check without seeing a thing. Its not something I would personally use but I understand they did that due to lack of time and are working on something better?

                                                                  Be interesting to see how the big tubes implement things as they have until later this month to comply (at least in the UK with OFCOM) as I hear Pornhub may be doing something a little different.

                                                                  And as for UK/OFCOM, you could ask your biller to not accept debit cards (as under 18's can get these) and just use Credit cards for joins with a SFW tour/no AV checks. This I think should satisfy OFCOM but from our figures, you would lose a ton of customers as debit cards are close to 70% of UK joins comparted to 30% CC joins.

                                                                  So in short, there is probably no 'best' solution yet as its early days.

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                                                                    • fastball
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Apr 2021
                                                                      • 6280
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by Tubevideditor
                                                                      I see some (mainly bigger sites) using AV after the actual join from a soft/SFW tour but I do see how that could piss off some paying customers. I guess they are doing that for cost purposes as sites with big traffic would end up paying a shit ton of AV check fees with a much smaller percentage of surfers actually joining so that would be a loss making event.

                                                                      Other sites using a soft/SFW tour have AV before the join, then letting surfers see the proper NSFW tour, then the join as normal without the 'shock' of being greeted by AV checks once they've paid there hard earned cash before they can login.
                                                                      Its more cost to the site again with AV check fees but there are some that are totally free providing you self host the script.

                                                                      Then there's the ModelCentro way that are charging the customer for the AV check without seeing a thing. Its not something I would personally use but I understand they did that due to lack of time and are working on something better?

                                                                      Be interesting to see how the big tubes implement things as they have until later this month to comply (at least in the UK with OFCOM) as I hear Pornhub may be doing something a little different.

                                                                      And as for UK/OFCOM, you could ask your biller to not accept debit cards (as under 18's can get these) and just use Credit cards for joins with a SFW tour/no AV checks. This I think should satisfy OFCOM but from our figures, you would lose a ton of customers as debit cards are close to 70% of UK joins comparted to 30% CC joins.

                                                                      So in short, there is probably no 'best' solution yet as its early days.
                                                                      There is no one size fits all solution, but there will be AVS. Choose your flavor. I kind of look at it like old school magazine racks where the "dirty picture" mags were wrapped in plastic with SFW pictures of the style of content on the visible cover. You had to buy it to unwrap it.

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                                                                        • fuzebox
                                                                          making it rain
                                                                          • Oct 2003
                                                                          • 22351
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by xxxclusive
                                                                          If I would sign up with CC and then get asked for a face/ID scan I would click the x and issue a chargeback right away.
                                                                          Most of the biggest paysites are doing this now.

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                                                                            • xxxclusive
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Oct 2012
                                                                              • 785
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by fuzebox
                                                                              Most of the biggest paysites are doing this now.
                                                                              Then they are as good as dead. Will be fun once the first data leak with faces of all porn cosumers is out lol

                                                                              Originally posted by fastball
                                                                              Then I assume you have a better solution. Please share it with us. Or are you just ranting?
                                                                              Let us know how much your UK sighn ups dropped with this method. I bet simply IP banning UK wouldn't be much worse.

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                                                                                • fastball
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Apr 2021
                                                                                  • 6280
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by xxxclusive
                                                                                  Then they are as good as dead. Will be fun once the first data leak with faces of all porn cosumers is out lol



                                                                                  Let us know how much your UK sighn ups dropped with this method. I bet simply IP banning UK wouldn't be much worse.
                                                                                  I asked you a question and you ducked. Why is that?

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                                                                                    • xxxclusive
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Oct 2012
                                                                                      • 785
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by fastball
                                                                                      I asked you a question and you ducked. Why is that?
                                                                                      You know the answer to your stupid question.

                                                                                      Now tell us by how many % your sales dropped and your chargeback ratio increased with your method, we are curious.

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                                                                                        • xxxclusive
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Oct 2012
                                                                                          • 785
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by fuzebox
                                                                                          Most of the biggest paysites are doing this now.
                                                                                          Ans which ones should these be?

                                                                                          Vixen is doing non-nude tour and CC only, just checked with VPN.

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                                                                                            • fastball
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Apr 2021
                                                                                              • 6280
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by xxxclusive
                                                                                              You know the answer to your stupid question.

                                                                                              Now tell us by how many % your sales dropped and your chargeback ratio increased with your method, we are curious.
                                                                                              Originally posted by xxxclusive
                                                                                              You know the answer to your stupid question.

                                                                                              Now tell us by how many % your sales dropped and your chargeback ratio increased with your method, we are curious.




                                                                                              Deflect, deflect, deflect.
                                                                                              I am guessing your proposed "solution" will come in two weeks.

                                                                                              But until then, may I ask: What is your role in this business, and what concrete steps are you taking right now to address this existential crisis?

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                                                                                                • NatalieK
                                                                                                  Natalie K
                                                                                                  • Apr 2010
                                                                                                  • 20106
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by mrmarlowe
                                                                                                  Hi Natalie, thanks for letting me know that. I don't know how Wank it Now are doing things as it's odd that a lot of members from my sites in different countries can't see the Wank it Now previews.

                                                                                                  I'm just thinking along the lines of not having any previews for my sites. Just a page explaining about age verification. But I'll look into it more soon and your suggestions regarding what you're doing with your site.

                                                                                                  I've just checked your site out:

                                                                                                  https://www.nataliek.xxx/

                                                                                                  and because I'm in the UK I just get the age verification required box popping up.

                                                                                                  A suggestion to you would be to make the image here:

                                                                                                  https://www.nataliek.xxx/login

                                                                                                  without the cock!

                                                                                                  It's just that a minor could click on the link where it says Have an account? Login.

                                                                                                  Highly unlikely though but it is showing an adult sexual image to someone who might not actually be age verified.

                                                                                                  sadly the AV comes up on every page including the FHG´s, so now, any page you look at on a Modelcentro website displays an AVS with a $1.50 charge, if wanting to proceed...

                                                                                                  I´ve heard there´s an idea for sfw tours and FHGS, this could and would work, so hopefully they will proceed and do this
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                                                                                                    • fastball
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Apr 2021
                                                                                                      • 6280
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by NatalieK
                                                                                                      sadly the AV comes up on every page including the FHG´s, so now, any page you look at on a Modelcentro website displays an AVS with a $1.50 charge, if wanting to proceed...

                                                                                                      I´ve heard there´s an idea for sfw tours and FHGS, this could and would work, so hopefully they will proceed and do this
                                                                                                      I looked your site from Kentucky and got the AVS page. When I took a screen cap, it unexpectedly saved a bunch of explicit pussy pcitures in the same shot.

                                                                                                      I’m not a tech person, so I’m not sure how that happened, but if someone in Kentucky sees that, it could become a serious problem — not so much from government oversight, but from opportunistic civil lawsuits.

                                                                                                      Just giving you a heads-up. You might want to check how your AVS page handles background content or cached images so this doesn’t create liability for you or your users.

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                                                                                                        • xxxclusive
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Oct 2012
                                                                                                          • 785
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by fastball
                                                                                                          Deflect, deflect, deflect.
                                                                                                          I am guessing your proposed "solution" will come in two weeks.

                                                                                                          But until then, may I ask: What is your role in this business, and what concrete steps are you taking right now to address this existential crisis?
                                                                                                          Why do you deflect?

                                                                                                          Our goal atm is to find the solution which keeps most of the traffic and paying users. But we don't know the best solution atm.

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                                                                                                            • cordoba
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Feb 2010
                                                                                                              • 1363
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by mrmarlowe
                                                                                                              Regarding the new UK age verification laws that are soon to come into effect. I must admit I haven't really read up on it much but am just starting to think about it and how we can implement it. We're based in the UK so have to comply with the new UK age verification laws...
                                                                                                              I'm not having a pop at you, but I'm genuinely curious as to how you have managed to leave it so late.

                                                                                                              I mean literally one week before you have to comply with it by law, you're "starting to think about it"? Was it literally a case of "head in the sand"?

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                                                                                                                • fastball
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Apr 2021
                                                                                                                  • 6280
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by cordoba
                                                                                                                  I'm not having a pop at you, but I'm genuinely curious as to how you have managed to leave it so late.

                                                                                                                  I mean literally one week before you have to comply with it by law, you're "starting to think about it"? Was it literally a case of "head in the sand"?
                                                                                                                  I took care of that two months ago. And it is an uphill struggle. But reality bites. If you want to do it at the last minute, you are skating on thin ice. In fact we all are.

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                                                                                                                      • 4900
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                                                                                                                        • NatalieK
                                                                                                                          Natalie K
                                                                                                                          • Apr 2010
                                                                                                                          • 20106
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by fastball
                                                                                                                          I looked your site from Kentucky and got the AVS page. When I took a screen cap, it unexpectedly saved a bunch of explicit pussy pcitures in the same shot.

                                                                                                                          I’m not a tech person, so I’m not sure how that happened, but if someone in Kentucky sees that, it could become a serious problem — not so much from government oversight, but from opportunistic civil lawsuits.

                                                                                                                          Just giving you a heads-up. You might want to check how your AVS page handles background content or cached images so this doesn’t create liability for you or your users.
                                                                                                                          thanks for the heads up...

                                                                                                                          lucky for me, as with anyone using a MC website, it´s down to MC to get it right, as it´s powered by them and not myself...


                                                                                                                          anyway, shall check it out as i´d not like the lawsuit and obviously like to run by the law
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                                                                                                                            • plsureking
                                                                                                                              bored
                                                                                                                              • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                              • 4900
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by NatalieK
                                                                                                                              thanks for the heads up...

                                                                                                                              lucky for me, as with anyone using a MC website, it´s down to MC to get it right, as it´s powered by them and not myself...

                                                                                                                              anyway, shall check it out as i´d not like the lawsuit and obviously like to run by the law
                                                                                                                              as a point of order, ma'am, i would just like to point out that the law in Kansas, as currently governed, gives the liability to the hosting application - not even host - but the application that accepted the upload.

                                                                                                                              the other states are following this structure, as it punishes the large sites that collect mass amounts of unvetted videos from unknown sources. they all got pissed about revenge porn. go figure.

                                                                                                                              billers (ccbill i'm looking at you lol) tried to lock down model id verification, but much of the online content is too old and model releases every year would be insane. So now they say all sexually explicit content must be behind an age verification wall.

                                                                                                                              many little scammers have pushed some sort of age verification, but the best one is a credit card or other online payment. require payment to see titties. its very simple. all billers agree.

                                                                                                                              back to the old tease days. Lightspeed will be ecstatic.

                                                                                                                              i'm just an old gray beard who solves problems all day

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                                                                                                                                • fastball
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2021
                                                                                                                                  • 6280
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  back to the old tease days. Lightspeed will be ecstatic.
                                                                                                                                  And so am I. I’ve always believed this is how it should have been. Paywalls feel tough at first, but audiences always adapt, just like they did with streaming.

                                                                                                                                  People forget TV was once “free.” Now, no one blinks at paying for Netflix or Disney+

                                                                                                                                  Meanwhile, the “free” porn hustlers will flog crypto pipe dreams or sketchy brain pills — anything to squeeze the last bit of value from their junk traffic before it fades to black. Will content be King again?

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                                                                                                                                    • plsureking
                                                                                                                                      bored
                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                      • 4900
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by fastball
                                                                                                                                      Meanwhile, the “free” porn hustlers will flog crypto pipe dreams or sketchy brain pills — anything to squeeze the last bit of value from their junk traffic before it fades to black. Will content be King again?
                                                                                                                                      its about time those grifters find a job. they've been robbing this industry for over 15 years.

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                                                                                                                                        • fastball
                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                          • Apr 2021
                                                                                                                                          • 6280
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by plsureking
                                                                                                                                          its about time those grifters find a job. they've been robbing this industry for over 15 years.

                                                                                                                                          #porncms
                                                                                                                                          Bingo. They are why this place is called the zoo. How many real porn biz people are even here anymore?

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                                                                                                                                            • CyberHustler
                                                                                                                                              Masterbaiter
                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2006
                                                                                                                                              • 28725
                                                                                                                                              #36




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                                                                                                                                              “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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                                                                                                                                                • plsureking
                                                                                                                                                  bored
                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                                  • 4900
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by CyberHustler
                                                                                                                                                  yikes lol

                                                                                                                                                  i agree, free and open porn should be banned

                                                                                                                                                  paywalls make us money and free speech makes paysites legal.

                                                                                                                                                  #porncms
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                                                                                                                                                    • xxxclusive
                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2012
                                                                                                                                                      • 785
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      lol so some cuckservatives really believe porn would be responsible for low birth rates....

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                                                                                                                                                        • CyberHustler
                                                                                                                                                          Masterbaiter
                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2006
                                                                                                                                                          • 28725
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by xxxclusive
                                                                                                                                                          lol so some cuckservatives really believe porn would be responsible for low birth rates....
                                                                                                                                                          It's a little more nuanced than that. Look at who has the highest and lowest birthrates amongst America's major racial groups. Check which group has been crying about being replaced since Obama.

                                                                                                                                                          This is the part where all that fucking around to pwn da libz in this liberal industry comes back around to let them folks find out what they actually voted for behind all that wacky "fun" framing ♻️
                                                                                                                                                          “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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                                                                                                                                                            • fastball
                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                              • Apr 2021
                                                                                                                                                              • 6280
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by plsureking
                                                                                                                                                              yikes lol

                                                                                                                                                              i agree, free and open porn should be banned

                                                                                                                                                              paywalls make us money and free speech makes paysites legal.

                                                                                                                                                              #porncms

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                                                                                                                                                                • V_RocKs
                                                                                                                                                                  Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                                                                                                                                                  • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                                                  • 32447
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  I have never wanted to move to another country anymore than I do now.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • plsureking
                                                                                                                                                                      bored
                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                                                      • 4900
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by V_RocKs
                                                                                                                                                                      I have never wanted to move to another country anymore than I do now.
                                                                                                                                                                      its probably never been easier..

                                                                                                                                                                      #porncms
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                                                                                                                                                                        • xxxclusive
                                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                          • Oct 2012
                                                                                                                                                                          • 785
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          If these laws kill the tubes maybe it would even benefit the paysites and creators

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                                                                                                                                                                            • INever
                                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                              • Jan 2005
                                                                                                                                                                              • 4031
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by V_RocKs
                                                                                                                                                                              I have never wanted to move to another country anymore than I do now.
                                                                                                                                                                              Ony need to move your server and LLC (which will own your sites).
                                                                                                                                                                              I love Camdough

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                                                                                                                                                                                • plsureking
                                                                                                                                                                                  bored
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 4900
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by xxxclusive
                                                                                                                                                                                  If these laws kill the tubes maybe it would even benefit the paysites and creators
                                                                                                                                                                                  ya it should have been done a long time ago lol

                                                                                                                                                                                  the new laws will close all the small tubes. they won't be able to make any money.

                                                                                                                                                                                  the big tubes will convert to paysite or stop doing business in the US.

                                                                                                                                                                                  slow process tho. Reddit is still rocking the pornos.


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                                                                                                                                                                                    • cordoba
                                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2010
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 1363
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by plsureking
                                                                                                                                                                                      ya it should have been done a long time ago lol

                                                                                                                                                                                      Reddit is still rocking the pornos.
                                                                                                                                                                                      I wonder what the legal situation is for a British based affiliate who promotes porn via Reddit or social media?

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • xxxclusive
                                                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Oct 2012
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 785
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by plsureking
                                                                                                                                                                                          ya it should have been done a long time ago lol

                                                                                                                                                                                          the new laws will close all the small tubes. they won't be able to make any money.

                                                                                                                                                                                          the big tubes will convert to paysite or stop doing business in the US.

                                                                                                                                                                                          slow process tho. Reddit is still rocking the pornos.


                                                                                                                                                                                          #porncms
                                                                                                                                                                                          Better late than never.

                                                                                                                                                                                          It's not only the US, it's France and Uk already and will roll out to whole EU. They can't ban all the A tier countries without harming themselves and their paysites are fueled by the tubes and also take a hit.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Fuck all tubes also the small ones,

                                                                                                                                                                                          The more I think about AV the more I like it.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Social media and forums aren't affected, clear signal that the main goal even is to crush the tubes.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • SpicyM
                                                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 4575
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by plsureking
                                                                                                                                                                                              the new laws will close all the small tubes. they won't be able to make any money.
                                                                                                                                                                                              I think the piracy tubes will be fine as they are all operated from shitholes where these laws have no effect.
                                                                                                                                                                                              no sig, sorry

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Major (Tom)
                                                                                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 32492
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by SpicyM
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I think the piracy tubes will be fine as they are all operated from shitholes where these laws have no effect.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  If they have .coms it makes it easier

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • plsureking
                                                                                                                                                                                                      bored
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 4900
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by SpicyM
                                                                                                                                                                                                      I think the piracy tubes will be fine as they are all operated from shitholes where these laws have no effect.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      yea but their revenue will stop. no ad money, no affiliate money, no payment processing.


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