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  • fastball
    Confirmed User
    • Apr 2021
    • 6280

    #16
    Originally posted by xxxclusive
    If I would sign up with CC and then get asked for a face/ID scan I would click the x and issue a chargeback right away.
    Then I assume you have a better solution. Please share it with us. Or are you just ranting?

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    • Tubevideditor
      Confirmed User
      • Sep 2013
      • 352

      #17
      Originally posted by fastball
      Then I assume you have a better solution. Please share it with us. Or are you just ranting?
      I see some (mainly bigger sites) using AV after the actual join from a soft/SFW tour but I do see how that could piss off some paying customers. I guess they are doing that for cost purposes as sites with big traffic would end up paying a shit ton of AV check fees with a much smaller percentage of surfers actually joining so that would be a loss making event.

      Other sites using a soft/SFW tour have AV before the join, then letting surfers see the proper NSFW tour, then the join as normal without the 'shock' of being greeted by AV checks once they've paid there hard earned cash before they can login.
      Its more cost to the site again with AV check fees but there are some that are totally free providing you self host the script.

      Then there's the ModelCentro way that are charging the customer for the AV check without seeing a thing. Its not something I would personally use but I understand they did that due to lack of time and are working on something better?

      Be interesting to see how the big tubes implement things as they have until later this month to comply (at least in the UK with OFCOM) as I hear Pornhub may be doing something a little different.

      And as for UK/OFCOM, you could ask your biller to not accept debit cards (as under 18's can get these) and just use Credit cards for joins with a SFW tour/no AV checks. This I think should satisfy OFCOM but from our figures, you would lose a ton of customers as debit cards are close to 70% of UK joins comparted to 30% CC joins.

      So in short, there is probably no 'best' solution yet as its early days.

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      • fastball
        Confirmed User
        • Apr 2021
        • 6280

        #18
        Originally posted by Tubevideditor
        I see some (mainly bigger sites) using AV after the actual join from a soft/SFW tour but I do see how that could piss off some paying customers. I guess they are doing that for cost purposes as sites with big traffic would end up paying a shit ton of AV check fees with a much smaller percentage of surfers actually joining so that would be a loss making event.

        Other sites using a soft/SFW tour have AV before the join, then letting surfers see the proper NSFW tour, then the join as normal without the 'shock' of being greeted by AV checks once they've paid there hard earned cash before they can login.
        Its more cost to the site again with AV check fees but there are some that are totally free providing you self host the script.

        Then there's the ModelCentro way that are charging the customer for the AV check without seeing a thing. Its not something I would personally use but I understand they did that due to lack of time and are working on something better?

        Be interesting to see how the big tubes implement things as they have until later this month to comply (at least in the UK with OFCOM) as I hear Pornhub may be doing something a little different.

        And as for UK/OFCOM, you could ask your biller to not accept debit cards (as under 18's can get these) and just use Credit cards for joins with a SFW tour/no AV checks. This I think should satisfy OFCOM but from our figures, you would lose a ton of customers as debit cards are close to 70% of UK joins comparted to 30% CC joins.

        So in short, there is probably no 'best' solution yet as its early days.
        There is no one size fits all solution, but there will be AVS. Choose your flavor. I kind of look at it like old school magazine racks where the "dirty picture" mags were wrapped in plastic with SFW pictures of the style of content on the visible cover. You had to buy it to unwrap it.

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        • fuzebox
          making it rain
          • Oct 2003
          • 22351

          #19
          Originally posted by xxxclusive
          If I would sign up with CC and then get asked for a face/ID scan I would click the x and issue a chargeback right away.
          Most of the biggest paysites are doing this now.

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          • xxxclusive
            Confirmed User
            • Oct 2012
            • 785

            #20
            Originally posted by fuzebox
            Most of the biggest paysites are doing this now.
            Then they are as good as dead. Will be fun once the first data leak with faces of all porn cosumers is out lol

            Originally posted by fastball
            Then I assume you have a better solution. Please share it with us. Or are you just ranting?
            Let us know how much your UK sighn ups dropped with this method. I bet simply IP banning UK wouldn't be much worse.

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            • fastball
              Confirmed User
              • Apr 2021
              • 6280

              #21
              Originally posted by xxxclusive
              Then they are as good as dead. Will be fun once the first data leak with faces of all porn cosumers is out lol



              Let us know how much your UK sighn ups dropped with this method. I bet simply IP banning UK wouldn't be much worse.
              I asked you a question and you ducked. Why is that?

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              • xxxclusive
                Confirmed User
                • Oct 2012
                • 785

                #22
                Originally posted by fastball
                I asked you a question and you ducked. Why is that?
                You know the answer to your stupid question.

                Now tell us by how many % your sales dropped and your chargeback ratio increased with your method, we are curious.

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                • xxxclusive
                  Confirmed User
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 785

                  #23
                  Originally posted by fuzebox
                  Most of the biggest paysites are doing this now.
                  Ans which ones should these be?

                  Vixen is doing non-nude tour and CC only, just checked with VPN.

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                  • fastball
                    Confirmed User
                    • Apr 2021
                    • 6280

                    #24
                    Originally posted by xxxclusive
                    You know the answer to your stupid question.

                    Now tell us by how many % your sales dropped and your chargeback ratio increased with your method, we are curious.
                    Originally posted by xxxclusive
                    You know the answer to your stupid question.

                    Now tell us by how many % your sales dropped and your chargeback ratio increased with your method, we are curious.




                    Deflect, deflect, deflect.
                    I am guessing your proposed "solution" will come in two weeks.

                    But until then, may I ask: What is your role in this business, and what concrete steps are you taking right now to address this existential crisis?

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                    • NatalieK
                      Natalie K
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 20106

                      #25
                      Originally posted by mrmarlowe
                      Hi Natalie, thanks for letting me know that. I don't know how Wank it Now are doing things as it's odd that a lot of members from my sites in different countries can't see the Wank it Now previews.

                      I'm just thinking along the lines of not having any previews for my sites. Just a page explaining about age verification. But I'll look into it more soon and your suggestions regarding what you're doing with your site.

                      I've just checked your site out:

                      https://www.nataliek.xxx/

                      and because I'm in the UK I just get the age verification required box popping up.

                      A suggestion to you would be to make the image here:

                      https://www.nataliek.xxx/login

                      without the cock!

                      It's just that a minor could click on the link where it says Have an account? Login.

                      Highly unlikely though but it is showing an adult sexual image to someone who might not actually be age verified.

                      sadly the AV comes up on every page including the FHG´s, so now, any page you look at on a Modelcentro website displays an AVS with a $1.50 charge, if wanting to proceed...

                      I´ve heard there´s an idea for sfw tours and FHGS, this could and would work, so hopefully they will proceed and do this
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                      • fastball
                        Confirmed User
                        • Apr 2021
                        • 6280

                        #26
                        Originally posted by NatalieK
                        sadly the AV comes up on every page including the FHG´s, so now, any page you look at on a Modelcentro website displays an AVS with a $1.50 charge, if wanting to proceed...

                        I´ve heard there´s an idea for sfw tours and FHGS, this could and would work, so hopefully they will proceed and do this
                        I looked your site from Kentucky and got the AVS page. When I took a screen cap, it unexpectedly saved a bunch of explicit pussy pcitures in the same shot.

                        I’m not a tech person, so I’m not sure how that happened, but if someone in Kentucky sees that, it could become a serious problem — not so much from government oversight, but from opportunistic civil lawsuits.

                        Just giving you a heads-up. You might want to check how your AVS page handles background content or cached images so this doesn’t create liability for you or your users.

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                        • xxxclusive
                          Confirmed User
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 785

                          #27
                          Originally posted by fastball
                          Deflect, deflect, deflect.
                          I am guessing your proposed "solution" will come in two weeks.

                          But until then, may I ask: What is your role in this business, and what concrete steps are you taking right now to address this existential crisis?
                          Why do you deflect?

                          Our goal atm is to find the solution which keeps most of the traffic and paying users. But we don't know the best solution atm.

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                          • cordoba
                            Confirmed User
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 1363

                            #28
                            Originally posted by mrmarlowe
                            Regarding the new UK age verification laws that are soon to come into effect. I must admit I haven't really read up on it much but am just starting to think about it and how we can implement it. We're based in the UK so have to comply with the new UK age verification laws...
                            I'm not having a pop at you, but I'm genuinely curious as to how you have managed to leave it so late.

                            I mean literally one week before you have to comply with it by law, you're "starting to think about it"? Was it literally a case of "head in the sand"?

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                            • fastball
                              Confirmed User
                              • Apr 2021
                              • 6280

                              #29
                              Originally posted by cordoba
                              I'm not having a pop at you, but I'm genuinely curious as to how you have managed to leave it so late.

                              I mean literally one week before you have to comply with it by law, you're "starting to think about it"? Was it literally a case of "head in the sand"?
                              I took care of that two months ago. And it is an uphill struggle. But reality bites. If you want to do it at the last minute, you are skating on thin ice. In fact we all are.

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                              • plsureking
                                bored
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 4900

                                #30
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