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nikki99 05-30-2025 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by alexthorn (Post 23373741)
"keep money" May be yes, may be not.
I think they send money and they not back but dissapear. They propably try to track this money and not send new (in place of this missing ones) in reason that they can not be shure that merchands not got them. They propably first want to get them back and after send to merchands.
I understand their situation but is not my problem that they lost this money.
I put them already ultimatum date (12 of next month) and after that date I will try to gat a payment order from the court and if they do not comply, then a bailiff's execution. They still operate and they want to operate thats for shure.

Geez where r u from ?your English is terrible

DomainMillionaire 05-30-2025 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexthorn (Post 23373741)
"keep money" May be yes, may be not.
I think they send money and they not back but dissapear. They propably try to track this money and not send new (in place of this missing ones) in reason that they can not be shure that merchands not got them. They propably first want to get them back and after send to merchands.
I understand their situation but is not my problem that they lost this money.
I put them already ultimatum date (12 of next month) and after that date I will try to gat a payment order from the court and if they do not comply, then a bailiff's execution. They still operate and they want to operate thats for shure.

As you rightly said, their problem is not our problem.

They are most likely just faking it and in reality may secretly own the company the money disappeared to. They could have decided to end up in Europe and rob all the clients based here. If they did the same to the American clients, they would already be in custody.

It is also worth mentioning the fact that they are not even sending amounts generated this month - although they said they would now send them through other companies. They would hardly lose money a second and third time.

They must be aware of the fact that they have completely destroyed trust by doing this.

I think the ultimatum you gave them is unnecessarily long, but I definitely agree with this step.

alexthorn 05-31-2025 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by nikki99 (Post 23373747)
Geez where r u from ?your English is terrible

I am sorry.

Poland.

blogsy 06-06-2025 05:28 AM

Anyone receive anything this week?

alexthorn 06-06-2025 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by blogsy (Post 23375294)
Anyone receive anything this week?

Yes. I got two transfers.

One for money what should arrive 26.may and one for money what should arrive 2.june
So it looks that money now arrive in betwen of 5 to 7 days after pay date.

3 transfers from april 14 and 1 from april 21 still missing.

DomainMillionaire 06-12-2025 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexthorn (Post 23375333)
Yes. I got two transfers.

One for money what should arrive 26.may and one for money what should arrive 2.june
So it looks that money now arrive in betwen of 5 to 7 days after pay date.

3 transfers from april 14 and 1 from april 21 still missing.


We have already switched to another payment gateway and are very satisfied. Lower commissions and money comes on time (the next day after sending the payment). CCBILL never again!

SpicyM 06-12-2025 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DomainMillionaire (Post 23377154)
We have already switched to another payment gateway and are very satisfied. Lower commissions and money comes on time (the next day after sending the payment). CCBILL never again!


But there are no other options if you want affiliates, are there?

greg1 06-12-2025 12:11 PM

which one?

alexthorn 06-13-2025 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomainMillionaire (Post 23377154)
We have already switched to another payment gateway and are very satisfied. Lower commissions and money comes on time (the next day after sending the payment). CCBILL never again!

Which one?

austria215 06-18-2025 05:11 AM

Anybody got its payout the week(16-18 June) for the previous period?

As it is missing after a few weeks every Monday to be received.

alexthorn 06-19-2025 12:02 PM

Hey

I not get:
25.05.2025-31.05.2025 pay: 9.june (or with new arrive standard: 13 or 16.june)

Instead I got RANDOM money (more then I should got for this 9 june payment). There is a chance that this is connected with 2 of my 4 missing payouts from april but ccbill is unable to confirm me that.

@austria215: I can not be shure but:
1.06.2025-7.06.2025 pay 16 june should arrive in real in new standard 20 or 23.june

austria215 06-20-2025 03:12 AM

Alex,you are correct.

1. With new payout schedule - to be sent 16.06.2025. Not received .

Yes, you got a missing payment from April - it could be distributed individually.

2. Up for new payout week - Monday 23.06.2025. It should be sent the next payout...

alexthorn 06-20-2025 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by austria215 (Post 23379198)
Alex,you are correct.
2. Up for new payout week - Monday 23.06.2025. It should be sent the next payout...


You have this info from ccbill?
To me they told me (on tuesday if I am correct) that "payout was processed without any problem".

austria215 06-23-2025 01:02 AM

Again missing payouts?
 
Hello,

Yes, from there.

They told the same that payout was processed without any problem last Tuesday.

It is Monday 23th June and no deposits received after the 9th of June .
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This week - did already not arrive 1.06.2025-7.06.2025 pay 16.06 should arrive in real in new standard 20 or 23.june
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Anyone got anything according their payment schedule from 9th of June till today? ( not missing payments)?

US direct deposits/ ACH should be without problems as before- so it is still only for the EU?

alexthorn 06-23-2025 05:36 AM

No money today.

I wrote today to segpay and epoch with starting questions about them as new option.
Problem with ccbill is not that they not pay becouse of problems related to banks etc. Problem with ccbill is becouse they not give answers and play games to not give them. I hear already "Your money we own You are send" and I get half of them, not all. I hear payment was processed correct (while it was not). And forver sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry etc.

austria215 06-23-2025 06:21 AM

Yes, no deposit today.

They could process our payments in time in their system - so they were honest about that.

Problem- that with intermediary/or get new account to send payouts in the EU stable.

They could see still unpaid periods -so they aware about that. It's still going to repeat like it was in May...

Though US clients with ACH have its weekly and without problems- as no complaints?

blogsy 06-24-2025 05:40 AM

I got one payout from Spacey last week but still not the missing payouts for April / May.

What is going on at CCBIll?!

In days of old, the billing reps would be in here giving us an update :-/

austria215 06-24-2025 09:17 AM

Any comments from their support about payouts in June?
As it seems not still fixed for the EU webmasters.

alexthorn 06-24-2025 04:41 PM

They not even reply now.

austria215 06-25-2025 01:11 AM

Even by chat support?

alexthorn 06-25-2025 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by austria215 (Post 23380467)
Even by chat support?

I not asked on chat since chat will not tell You anything except of "we not know" or "will be fixed soon" etc.

This is email where questions should go in theory:
[email protected]

blogsy 06-25-2025 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by alexthorn (Post 23380469)
I not asked on chat since chat will not tell You anything except of "we not know" or "will be fixed soon" etc.

This is email where questions should go in theory:
[email protected]

I asked for an update yesterday, nothing back yet

austria215 06-30-2025 04:38 AM

Yes, no update.
Nothing for Friday or Monday.
Actually it returned to the starting point of April. No payout for the EU webmasters.

alexthorn 06-30-2025 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by austria215 (Post 23381581)
Yes, no update.
Nothing for Friday or Monday.
Actually it returned to the starting point of April. No payout for the EU webmasters.

I think is time to say godbye to ccbill. They have tools to send money other then banks (for example paxum) but they not do this.


At this monent even AI provide informations that webmasters from EU not get payments from ccbill.

austria215 06-30-2025 06:28 AM

as about the United Kingdom - they can't get SEPA/transfers as well?
It is still though possible to get and cash US checks in the UK ,right?

alexthorn 06-30-2025 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by austria215 (Post 23381596)
as about the United Kingdom - they can't get SEPA/transfers as well?
It is still though possible to get and cash US checks in the UK ,right?

Look:
They can send money at any time by a bank using SWIFT. Money transfers in betwen of USA and EU did not dissapear. Swift work 100% all time.


Also, as an easy option to avoid banks:
They can send money anytime via Paxum.

There is no chance they will offer you any other option, since—as I mentioned—they already have options available but choose not to use them.

I previously thought that something didn’t work for them due to a change in SEPA regulations, and that’s why the transfers didn’t arrive. Now, however, I see (because the situation keeps repeating) that we’re dealing with manipulation.
If only the April transfers had arrived in full—but they didn’t. Out of four, I received only three.

As of today, they owe me one and a half times as much as they owed in April. What’s worse, they are blatantly lying, claiming the money was sent.
We are not living in medieval times, where someone carries money on their back. This is the modern era—transfers between accounts should take only a few hours.

I believe a lot of money is disappearing. When that SEPA issue happened, they likely lost a lot of funds and are now in the red. They prioritize paying the big players and ignore the smaller ones (I have around 1,400 subscribers, so I’m considered small to them).

If you ask Google a question about the issues CCBill is having with merchant accounts, you'll get information from Google AI confirming that such problems are indeed occurring. Back in May, there was nothing about it. This means the AI has been fed repeated queries on the topic.
ChatGPT says the same and even provides links to another forum discussing the issue (I'm currently waiting for confirmation of my registration there).

We’ll see what they say today, but I’m preparing to switch operators.

austria215 06-30-2025 09:12 AM

[QUOTE=alexthorn;23381601]Look:
SENT PM

alexthorn 06-30-2025 09:54 AM

replied.

Boobgirl 06-30-2025 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexthorn (Post 23368576)
As far at it looks now only Europeans not get money. USA get money.
So if this will be on purpose then they will also not pay to USA.
Correct?


Good day, I two had three missed payments, then it got down to two. I am getting paid out to Canada, so I think I would be in the same boat regarding that it is affecting non US based websites.

I did get an email yesterday, after weeks of communications, indicating my missed payments have returned from my bank, are credited back to my account, so I should see a payout of them shortly. Crossing fingers here.

austria215 06-30-2025 11:54 AM

Good Day,

Yes, it is quite interesting. Canada is obviously non- SEPA( EU) and not ACH(USA) - even a bit more complex way.
Do you have any bank payout options to Canada? ( As no indication of wire transfer or Canada ETF for Canadian webmasters)?
Did you experience the same delays in April?
Any mentioning why the funds retuned to your bank ? (Not accepted or other reasons).

alexthorn 06-30-2025 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boobgirl (Post 23381650)
Good day, I two had three missed payments, then it got down to two. I am getting paid out to Canada, so I think I would be in the same boat regarding that it is affecting non US based websites.

I did get an email yesterday, after weeks of communications, indicating my missed payments have returned from my bank, are credited back to my account, so I should see a payout of them shortly. Crossing fingers here.

I think in your case, the issue is related to the bank.
According to CCBill, these problems have been affecting the EU and started after the SEPA changes in April.
I spoke with my bank, and they confirmed that the money never reached them and that nothing was declined.
You mentioned that your bank declined the payment, so that seems to be a different situation.

Could you let me know if you experienced any issues with transfers in April?

alexthorn 06-30-2025 05:08 PM

latest news (from today):
They change again payment center in EU

Conslusion:
We will not see money as long as they not complete this.

DomainMillionaire 07-01-2025 01:37 AM

[QUOTE=alexthorn;23381586]I think is time to say godbye to ccbill. They have tools to send money other then banks (for example paxum) but they not do this.


I'm having fun because I said this a few weeks ago, but none of you paid attention and cooperated with me in filing a criminal complaint against them. You were still naive and thought that the tunnelers would start paying you. We've already turned off rebills and written emails to members to sign-up in through a different payment gateway. Goodbye!

greg1 07-01-2025 01:47 AM

Received one of the payments today - INPAY AS

austria215 07-01-2025 03:51 AM

Well, it is no fun here. To be out of your bank or payment EMI- it is not a case for any legal complaint. It's the EU world.
You can be lucky today with Epoch or Segpay - but the same could happen with their payment partners in the EU. For any reason.
Asking your clients to stop and re-subscribe again?
You can compare the USA - ACH and the EU- SEPA( bunch of regulations and demands , endless KYC ,AML, etc). Don't forget about the Central European Bank(National Banks) they make their own audit.
You can apply for one partner in the EU today and be out in 2-3 months as about their policy and bunch of different reasons. Even for a big company.
It is overall not easy to make any digital business in the EU - more formalities and regulations. More restrictions.

alexthorn 07-01-2025 05:58 AM

[QUOTE=DomainMillionaire;23381789]
Quote:

Originally Posted by alexthorn (Post 23381586)
I think is time to say godbye to ccbill. They have tools to send money other then banks (for example paxum) but they not do this.


I'm having fun because I said this a few weeks ago, but none of you paid attention and cooperated with me in filing a criminal complaint against them. You were still naive and thought that the tunnelers would start paying you. We've already turned off rebills and written emails to members to sign-up in through a different payment gateway. Goodbye!

We are in Europe. We are not in the USA. In order to take any action against them, a larger number of complaints would have to be submitted to the appropriate authority. Which authority? I don’t know for sure, but probably the Arizona Attorney General and the Arizona Department of Financial Institutions. Will they do anything? Probably not if there will be hundrets of complains. There will be few or one.

If you were to submit a complaint to the national prosecutor's office here, the ruling would be negative, with the justification that it falls under civil claims (I went through something similar a few years ago in another case). So you would have to file a civil lawsuit. And again, we're back to the situation where we are here in Europe, and CCBill is based (emphasis on based, as that’s the entity we have a contract with) in the USA.

When I asked ChatGPT about a claim of $10,000, it replied: considering the costs, think carefully whether it's worth it.

So what you wrote is understandable to me, but contrary to appearances, it's not that simple — and probably has zero effectiveness.

As for changing the billing provider, I agree with you. BUT, as you’ve already noticed, we would have to migrate users from one billing platform to another. I went through that back in 2007 when I left Verotel. I lost 60% of my subscribers — and keep in mind those were different, better times. Now, the subscriber loss would likely be much higher.

As an example: we left OnlyFans due to personal rights and image violations committed by OnlyFans against us. We had 1,000 users there. On the new platform, for a long time, there were only 300 — even though everyone knew we had moved from OnlyFans.

That’s why we’re all hesitating about what to do next.

By the way: Today, I received half the money they owe me...

ps. Tell us also to what operator You did changed?

Boobgirl 07-02-2025 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexthorn (Post 23381665)
I think in your case, the issue is related to the bank.
According to CCBill, these problems have been affecting the EU and started after the SEPA changes in April.
I spoke with my bank, and they confirmed that the money never reached them and that nothing was declined.
You mentioned that your bank declined the payment, so that seems to be a different situation.

Could you let me know if you experienced any issues with transfers in April?

The missing payments included two payments in April, and one in May. The May payment was quickly resolved. I initially was given the excuse that it was a 'processing issue;, but after weeks of communication did they say that my bank has not released the funds back to CCbill. So who knows the issue. I do know that the exchange rate SUCKS, so however they are paying me (not via ACH), its a ripoff.

As of today, my upcoming July 7th payment is to include the reinbursement of the two April payments.

BigFurry 07-02-2025 02:35 PM

They really should add Paxum if they can't send out wires worldwide anymore

Boobgirl 07-03-2025 02:39 PM

I wrote this, not checking futher into my June payments. I am missing THREE MORE WEEKS! WTF!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boobgirl (Post 23382070)
The missing payments included two payments in April, and one in May. The May payment was quickly resolved. I initially was given the excuse that it was a 'processing issue;, but after weeks of communication did they say that my bank has not released the funds back to CCbill. So who knows the issue. I do know that the exchange rate SUCKS, so however they are paying me (not via ACH), its a ripoff.

As of today, my upcoming July 7th payment is to include the reinbursement of the two April payments.


alexthorn 07-04-2025 03:35 PM

Please all of you: contact ccbill support and ask for contact with your merchant via email (this is the guardian of your account). Then ask for paxum payments to be made available permanently or until the payment issue is resolved. The more people write about it, the more certain it is that they will do it.


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