OK.. I will believe ya!:1orglaugh

And what happens when the GNP drops or other variable mess in this???

There ya go again.. trying to protect something that is nothing!
The facts are.. this is your own Treasury that compiled this report. It was not compiled in Webbyland - hell they could not give a shit!
This is a report that has been analysed by many countries/organizations and they ain't too pleased about having much "investment" in the US. So, if you have not noticed already, you may soon!

But.. course, this is all a figment of the Treasury's imagination and a nice $350bn tax cut will be fine! :Graucho

I feel a hell of a lot of "denial" someplace... but that is common in these circumstances....

Who gives a fuck?? The bottom line is the same!!:1orglaugh

Hell.. even Greenspan, your "own man" is pissed cos this was deliberately not included as part of the "budget"!!:1orglaugh

We got another Wall Steet Ponzi Scheme again! :1orglaugh

do androids dream of robotic sheep?

You seem to give a fuck...you are blaming all of your perceived problems the USA has on the President. An American President has very limited powers...and the real power lies with the Congress. The President has to have the approval of the Congress for virtually everything that he does.

If you find fault with the USA place the blame were it lies...with the members of Congress...Democrats as well as Republicans.

The economy has been in worse trouble in the past and survived as it will again. Economical ups and downs seem to be cyclic.

Greenspan is not the know all and end all...he is just a person trying to do his job.

think about it... the world does not revolve around US time :glugglug

webby are you a female?

I only get one true LOL per day reading GFY.

that was it.....totally unexpected...made me burst out


thanx.

:thumbsup

theking:

You think it matters who decided on a budget?? I don't give a shit if it was Republican, Democrat, al-Qaeda or communists.

All this bullocks about the current "president" having "limited powers" is a joke! Again.. cummon.. reality check time! :Graucho

If you don't know already, the current "president" rules the roost on the basis of secrecy. Ideally he wants a blank check.. he asked for it - too bluntly - and got rejected. Now it is "grab as much as you can get" from Congress and mix all em "budgets" up to suit!

He also rules... "manages" would be a misuse - by cloaking himself up in the flag as some "war president" and poses on some tanks and shit metal. To create "respect" he maintains this "fear level" that "we can be attacked by demons" at any minute". Shit.. ya never heard of terrorists before?? Another reality check!

This is a "kinda" elected guy that fucked up Texas economically (and other ways) before he was "elected" - what hope you reckon you have???

As for the economy... yep.. I sure hope it recovers. But don't think you won't be left to pay the bill - that is that recommended " immediate and permanent 66% increase on income tax across the board". That is the price for having an idiot that creates more damage on a daily basis, (not just economically, but in many areas) than any other president has done in their whole term in office.

In a year...I'll keep this simplistic quote and think on it!

"Ecomonical ups and downs seem to be cyclic." :1orglaugh

They sure seem to be!! :1orglaugh

49...

DAMMIT!! *lol*

As to secrecy...the select committies in the House and in the Senate have access to the same "secrets" that the President has (checks and balances).

As to being a "war time President". He is. War was declared after 9/11 and this administration said that the war could last as long as 10 years...other "experts" have said up to 30 years. This war is as real and as serious as any war that the US has engaged in. The man/woman that moves into the office of the Presidency after Bush will too be a "war time President".

Get used to the idea.

Yea.. I'm used to the idea... tis amusing if it was not so sad!

You raise and lower that flag in blind compliance each morning and evening?? :1orglaugh

Amazing shit!!

Joe Sixpack?

No.. "Webby from Webbyland"!! :1orglaugh

Try and avoid that tendency to look elsewhere when the occasion suits! It is called "avoiding the issue" :1orglaugh

What issue is it that I have avoided...I have countered your move at every turn...checkmate.

Sheesh.. you wish!! :1orglaugh

You have, as you put it, "countered" every actual fact that I posted by ingoring the facts (including all that are published by your own government) and waffling crap "excuses" about economic "cycles" blah. They supposed to be some "response"???

Some folks just don't get it... more than disappointing!! Cos I know many of your countrymen know - also others in various countries.

Kinda builds up that caricature impression of US folks.. but then, ya can't tarnish others and assume they are the same.

Blindness and the inability to actually read facts or accept criticism is... well.. there ain't no point! :1orglaugh

But hell.. I'm pleased you consider there is a checkmate... someplace! It must be satisfying! :1orglaugh

Off hand I do not recall any "facts" provided by you.

Please make a list of every "fact" that you have posted in this thread and I will make short thrift of them one by one.

There are all on the thread.... choose even a few!! :1orglaugh

You could start off... at the beginning.. with the survey of "US opinion" and continue with the Treasury report - I ain't holding you back!! :1orglaugh

Or... I dunno, maybe you never actually read... but just present "excuses" for a situation. I know you got this sig that ... more than indicates some blind obedience....

"When you're running down my country hoss. You're walking on the fighting side of me!"

I agree....:winkwink:

Got a problem?? OK.. forget it cos there ain't a lot to say... all "facts" were obtained from US sources.. so that would mean criticising them is "wrong" :Graucho

God bless the "patriotic"!! Na.. I don't hold it against ya! :winkwink:

Yes...you did post at least three facts in this thread.

http://www.pipra.org did in "fact" take a poll.

It is "fact" that the Treasury issued a report. They do this periodically.

It is "fact" that Greenspan was not entirely pleased.

Have I over looked any other facts??

My apologies for not responding quick enough to suit you...but I am working in between posts. I will be competed with my work for tonight in a few more minutes.

Hell.. that all you actually found??? There is definately some "lacking" someplace! I found this lot in a fraction of the time you took just to "sumarise" "three facts" - but you still have not even addressed them - but continue with "excuses" as to why everything is "different" and not as portrayed by the "factual reports". Otherwise.. what is the point you are trying to make??? Man you are a joke! :1orglaugh

It was enjoyable, but hell... toooooo much!!! :1orglaugh


(a) 41% of US think Weapons of Mass Destrution has been found in Iraq or were "unsure".

(b) 31% think Iraq had used chemical or biological weapons during the war - or were "unsure".

(c) 60% think those weapons were the main reason for the invasion.

(d) 19% thought the reason for war was because is was "Iraq's ties to al-Qaeda.

(e) 20% thought the war was "due to the fact that Hussein was an oppressive dictator".

Finally, based on the "knowledge" portrayed above, 75% said the US president was "showing strong leadership in Iraq"

Sheesh... makes me sadder each day at the thought they have less clues than I gave em credit for ....


As for the US going "bust"? Hell, even your own treasury spent a long enough time compiling the most comprehensive report yet on the US economy.

This boiled down to a chronic federal deficit budget totalling $44 billion in current US dollars.

For simplcity... that converts to:

(a) roughly 10 times the publically held national debt

(b) four years of US economic output

(c) 94% of all US household assets

The suggested remedy? An immediate and permanent 66% increase on income tax across the board.

Currently only 13 States have a fiscally sustainable policy at this time.

If this was a company I was running, I'd shut the fucking lot down! :1orglaugh

Don't worry about it tho and have a good evening!!

:winkwink:

I have already stated that it is a "fact" that http://www.pipa.org
took a poll.

I have already stated that it is a "fact" that the Treasury Dept made a report...they do that periodically.

I also threw in the "fact" that Greenspan was not entirely pleased.

I repeat did you post any other facts in this thread that I am overlooking?

Did you miss the last post??? :1orglaugh

I understood you said you were going to "make short thrift of them one by one"??? :1orglaugh

Na!! More "denials"... just go to bed or something... I can't be bothered! :1orglaugh

Well...I cannot dispute the fact that http://www.pipa.org
took a poll...or the "fact" that the Treasury Dept issued a report or the "fact" that Greenspan was not entirely pleased...so I mispoke. The three "facts" that you posted are indisputable.

You still at the "avoidance" game?? :1orglaugh

Here's the bit .. or some of it.. that you wished to "deal" with one by one...

But hell.. don't bother!! I'm sure ya got plenty better stuff to do! I know I have!

Entertaining seeing another side!! :winkwink:


(a) 41% of US think Weapons of Mass Destrution has been found in Iraq or were "unsure".

(b) 31% think Iraq had used chemical or biological weapons during the war - or were "unsure".

(c) 60% think those weapons were the main reason for the invasion.

(d) 19% thought the reason for war was because is was "Iraq's ties to al-Qaeda.

(e) 20% thought the war was "due to the fact that Hussein was an oppressive dictator".

Finally, based on the "knowledge" portrayed above, 75% said the US president was "showing strong leadership in Iraq"

Sheesh... makes me sadder each day at the thought they have less clues than I gave em credit for ....


As for the US going "bust"? Hell, even your own treasury spent a long enough time compiling the most comprehensive report yet on the US economy.

This boiled down to a chronic federal deficit budget totalling $44 billion in current US dollars.

For simplcity... that converts to:

(a) roughly 10 times the publically held national debt

(b) four years of US economic output

(c) 94% of all US household assets

The suggested remedy? An immediate and permanent 66% increase on income tax across the board.

Currently only 13 States have a fiscally sustainable policy at this time.:winkwink:

You are correct...that appears to be the result of the poll. Polls are always suspect as polls are easily manipulated...but nothing about the poll surprises me or alarms me. Is that short thrift enough to suit you.


You did not provide a link...to the report. Is a-c your personal input? Provide the link and I will look it over at my liesure.

The united states is the worlds strongest nation and will be that way for a long time, live with it.

Perpetual war against an invisible, ever-changing enemy. Somehow, that sounds familiar :glugglug

That is true, but is dependant on a *lot* of outside factors being stable. Such as peoples willingness to actually lend money. If you base a monetary policy on that. Your fucked. Period.

US industry stopped being powerful enough to support the US standard of living quite a long time ago. But that doesn't matter because 1) The dollar is the worlds currency, 2) The US uses it's military might to achieve economic aims. (The only country now that does. Land of the free. Heh, what a joke).

The difference in the current world is more and more countries are slowly achieving 'untouchable' status. I.E. nukes. and the Euro will be a serious threat to the dollars dominance. The Euro doesn't have to match or beat the dollar for this to happen, just make enough of a dent to spoil the automatic confidence everybody has in the dollar.

That will happen in my lifetime, fairly quickly I think, and the result is going to be interesting. Prolly more military intervention for economic gain such as Iraq, Prolly tightening of trade barriers. All of which just postpone the inevitable. The equalisation of the US economy with the rest of the world.

What is my source for this ? History. More times than you can imagine because the braindead, I.E. theking and his ilk are too stupid to learn from history. Tax cuts now!!! We will rule the world!!! My name is Bush!!! Re-elect me!!!

I try to stay out of political threads, because my political beliefs are based largely on emotion, and that doesn't tend to make for a good basis for argument...

BUT...though I tend (strongly) toward the liberal, I can't help thinking of something my dear ol' (conservative) dad has frequently repeated - and maybe somebody here with a bit more knowlege of economics can expound on this...the notion of the US Government's "debt" is something of a straw man, as that debt is internal - it's credit extended by US companies, or else it's in the form of T-Bills, which of course are investments that make money for US citizens. So it's kind of like saying you're family's broke because your ma loaned your no-good brother a hundred bucks, and he'll never be able to pay it back 'cause you own the note on his Ford...or something. Maybe. Hell, I dunno. I've been up all night. I'm tired and stupid.

The bulk of the National Debt is owed to Americans by Americans.