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FillmoreSlim · 05-29-2003, 08:02 PM

<b>okay...

no WMD. everybody knows now that there have been a few mistakes.

yes, iraq has been liberated and us style democracy might make iraq a better place.

But should america make conciliation efforts with the rest of the world? Should there be some sort of effort to restore relations with other countries?

the rest of the world is pissed. Even politicians in the usa...</b>

Democrats Question Whether Bush 'Hyped' Iraq Threat
By Vicki Allen

Sunday 25 May 2003

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Top Senate Democrats on Sunday said they believed the Bush administration either exaggerated the threat posed by Iraq, or may have had faulty intelligence on its alleged weapons of mass destruction.

Joe Biden of Delaware, the senior Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said the administration "hyped" Iraq's potential for developing nuclear arms and for using other weapons of mass destruction, but said he expected such weapons will be found.

Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia, the Senate Intelligence Committee's senior Democrat, said he was "beginning to believe" that the intelligence the administration claimed to have on Iraq's weapons program before the U.S.-led war to oust Saddam Hussein was not as sound as he had been led to believe.

Appearing on NBC's Meet the Press, the lawmakers gave voice to growing concerns in Congress over the failure so far to find Iraq's alleged biological, chemical and possibly nuclear weapons that President Bush used to justify the war.

"I do think that we hyped nuclear, we hyped al Qaeda, we hyped the ability to disperse and use these weapons. I think that tends to be done by all presidents when they are trying to accomplish a goal that they want to get broad national support for," Biden said.

Rockefeller said Congress must determine whether the administration "intentionally overestimated" Iraq's weapons program, or "just misread it. ... In either case it's a very bad outcome."

Republican Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas, the Intelligence Committee chairman, said he expected weapons to be found, and that the United States must make certain they have not fallen into the hands of terrorists or rogue nations.

If the weapons are not found, Roberts said on Meet the Press, "Basically, you have a real credibility problem."

"There's not any doubt that he had weapons of mass destruction. The question is, where are they?" Sen. Orrin Hatch , a Utah Republican, said on CNN's Late Edition.

Sen. Robert Byrd of West Virginia, who led opposition in the Senate to the Iraq war, last week delivered a blistering speech accusing Bush of constructing a "house of cards, built on deceit" to justify the war.

Biden, who backed Bush's call to oust Saddam, stopped short of saying there was a deliberate deception. But he said, "I think a lot of the hype here is a serious, serious, serious mistake and it hurts our credibility."

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Porter Goss, a Florida Republican, said on CBS' Face the Nation that he had "no doubts whatsoever that the administration worked on the basis of the intelligence that was given to them.

"What I don't know is how good that intelligence was, and it is our job to find out."

(In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.)

Amputate Your Head · 05-29-2003, 08:02 PM

nobody really cares.

Regards,

Amp

Gutterboy · 05-29-2003, 08:03 PM

Hyped? Exaggerated?

Fucking democrat pussies.. he lied through his teeth. And they wonder why there is no viable demo to kick Bush out of office in '04.

Grow some balls. The only one who has a pair right now is Byrd.

directfiesta · 05-29-2003, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
nobody really cares.

Regards,

Amp

He speaks for the majority of the Americans... Sad, but true.

Juicy D. Links · 05-29-2003, 08:22 PM

Fillmore cant you post something usefull for once?

L0stMind · 05-29-2003, 08:24 PM

No, why should the USA apologise? Did they upset someone? big deal

Rochard · 05-29-2003, 08:26 PM

Apologize for what?

For taking out a government that made tens of thousands of innocent people disappear?

Whatever.

dav555add · 05-29-2003, 08:26 PM

RETARD

FillmoreSlim

FillmoreSlim · 05-29-2003, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dav555add
RETARD FillmoreSlim

Truer words have never been spoken.

Brad Mitchell · 05-29-2003, 08:31 PM

Nobody cares, nobody is listening. Even if the war was wrong, we won it anyways... this is old news, nobody ever looks back.

Brad

Webby · 05-29-2003, 08:35 PM

I love the way folks trample all over and think things are brushed under the carpet!!! *lol*

It ain't started yet.. sorry, it has just started, but many are blind to this.

Trolleater · 05-29-2003, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by juicylinks
Fillmore cant you post something usefull for once?

Trolleater · 05-29-2003, 09:13 PM

need to do a hell of a lot more than just apologize.

dirtyone · 05-29-2003, 09:16 PM

You're not getting a dvd player so just accept it.

CDSmith · 05-29-2003, 09:20 PM

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Dveron · 05-29-2003, 09:21 PM

I think you should apologise for posting 16.81 shitty posts per day these past 3 weeks FillmoreSlim.

freeadultcontent · 05-29-2003, 09:23 PM

I think we should just attack a random poor country with no oil, liberate the swiss or something. Then we can just address the world and say, ok who is next?

Paul Markham · 05-29-2003, 09:24 PM

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Originally posted by RocHard
Apologize for what?

For taking out a government that made tens of thousands of innocent people disappear?

Whatever.

For thinking the US is full of fools thay can lie to?

Now Rumsfield is tellint everyone that Saddam destroyed the weaposn just before the war. With all the Billions of dollars worht of satelites, spy planes and the special services and weapon inspectors in the country Saddam managed to destroy ALL the WMDs.

The contempt they show for the US public is astounding. Who do you think is going to pay for that war?

dirtyone · 05-29-2003, 09:27 PM

Well, I'll be sorry so you said,
Well, I'm not sorry Bang you're dead!

theking · 05-29-2003, 09:36 PM

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Originally posted by charly
For thinking the US is full of fools thay can lie to?

Now Rumsfield is tellint everyone that Saddam destroyed the weaposn just before the war. With all the Billions of dollars worht of satelites, spy planes and the special services and weapon inspectors in the country Saddam managed to destroy ALL the WMDs.

The contempt they show for the US public is astounding. Who do you think is going to pay for that war?

Clueless Charly...just doesn't get it...and never will.

4Pics · 05-29-2003, 10:01 PM

If you notice all the people who are speaking out against this are Democrats? I bet if Bill Clinton was in office they wouldn't be saying shit. It would be the Republicans bitching about it.

Paul Markham · 05-29-2003, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking

Clueless Charly...just doesn't get it...and never will.

Have you ever considered I am too intelligent to get what you get?

WMDs were there, are there or what?

The war was about destroying them or not?

What was it about Einstien?

He may have never had the WMDs, but did not want his neighbors to know. He did not have a credible army and kept that a secret, most of his tanks and big guns were useless. Some could not fire and a lot could not be moved.

Maintaining him, his families and his close supporters lifestyle cost a lot of money. Maybe too much to maintain a credible army as well. With Iran next door he might have just been bluffing he had WMDs, like he was bluffing he had a formidible army.

Then there is the personality of the man to consider. Could he of been a paranoid egotist? Someone who was too scared what his people might do to him if he just laid down and let the UN run all over him. He was putting on the show for two sides. The UN and the Iraqi people.

4Pics
All the people bitching about Clinton getting a BJ were Republicans, that's politics.

theking · 05-29-2003, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
Have you ever considered I am too intelligent to get what you get?

WMDs were there, are there or what?

Ask me that question in three years?

Quote:

The war was about destroying them or not?

WMD materials will be destroyed if we find any. WMD materials is just one of the reasons for the war and in my opinion was not at the top of the list.

Quote:

What was it about Einstien?

How many fucking times do I have to repeat myself?

Read it...learn it...fucking know it.

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Originally posted by theking

Reasons for war.

#1. Iraq was defeated on the field of battle and signed certain terms. Iraq has been in violation of those terms since they signed the terms in '91. The USA has demanded that those terms be complied with and that Iraq remain a defeated country.

#2. Iraq attempted to assasinate a former American President.

#3. Iraq has fired upon, almost daily, for almost 11 years, USA military forces.

#4. Iraq is believed to have, or are acquiring, or are attempting to acquire WMD's. The USA will not allow that.

#5. Iraq has, on multiple occassions called for Americans, to be killed where ever they are found. Thus they are a sworn enemy of the USA.

#6. Iraq is a strategic piece of real estate for future military operations against our enemies in the region, which number in the 100's of millions.

#7. Iraq is a strategic piece of real estate for its oil fields and for the surrounding oil fields, for as the worlds oil supplies dwindle the USA will be in a position to control the dwindling oil supplies for its use and the use of its European allies.

#8. A take over of Iraq sends a very powerful signal to the other countries in that area of the world that if they don't get their act together they will be next.

Any one of the reasons above is a reason for war.
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I posted that long before the invasion of Iraq. Pay particular attention to #6-8.

It is my belief that #6-8 are the driving force behind the invasion of Iraq. If I am correct...what would have been the reaction of the World if President would have stated these reasons?

The majority of the American people...I do not believe would have had a problem...if the President would have stated reasons 6-8..but approval may have been lessened.

theking · 05-30-2003, 12:47 AM

Charly

Have you read it...learned it...and know it? If so...you are dismissed.

Paul Markham · 05-30-2003, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
Charly

Have you read it...learned it...and know it? If so...you are dismissed.

You are a bigger idiot than I thought you never cease to amaze me.

theking · 05-30-2003, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
You are a bigger idiot than I thought you never cease to amaze me.

Care to expand...clueless?

Paul Markham · 05-30-2003, 01:10 AM

Sorry you are not an idiot, you are probably one of the characters we have on this board who does nothing but post stupid things.

Because only comic would think America is going to attack and occupy the rest of the Muslim Nations from Iraq.

And all the time I thought you were serious, nice one kingy baby

theking · 05-30-2003, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
Sorry you are not an idiot, you are probably one of the characters we have on this board who does nothing but post stupid things.

Because only comic would think America is going to attack and occupy the rest of the Muslim Nations from Iraq.

And all the time I thought you were serious, nice one kingy baby

Of course the USA will not attack any country...unless they are overtly hostile or are harboring/financing those that are...or are trying to produce WMD's.

You are still Clueless Charly.

Steve · 05-30-2003, 01:54 AM

I think we should blame other countries for hiding the WMD

quit yer bitchin

Lane · 05-30-2003, 06:42 AM

i don't think they wanna find the WMD's anyway
they need a reason to attack Iran now... who supposedly has those weapons, lol

LeeNoga · 05-30-2003, 07:24 AM

Not cost effective for America to apologize, they have to pay the bills for their lies such as "missing" the bomb target they called successful that had all these underground tunnels. Forensics found no such occupancy/tunnels, dead bodies or nothing.

I bet the US plants WMD to justify this PR disaster.

Yeah, we helped Iraq but where is the love, still paying to much at the gas pumps.

But we Americans got a chance at a 52 card deck collectible, and a beanie baby named, "Hero"....that so made the war worth it.

ForMat Bush :

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FillmoreSlim Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: streetz Posts: 1,236	Should America suck it up and apologize? <b>okay... no WMD. everybody knows now that there have been a few mistakes. yes, iraq has been liberated and us style democracy might make iraq a better place. But should america make conciliation efforts with the rest of the world? Should there be some sort of effort to restore relations with other countries? the rest of the world is pissed. Even politicians in the usa...</b> Democrats Question Whether Bush 'Hyped' Iraq Threat By Vicki Allen Sunday 25 May 2003 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Top Senate Democrats on Sunday said they believed the Bush administration either exaggerated the threat posed by Iraq, or may have had faulty intelligence on its alleged weapons of mass destruction. Joe Biden of Delaware, the senior Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said the administration "hyped" Iraq's potential for developing nuclear arms and for using other weapons of mass destruction, but said he expected such weapons will be found. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia, the Senate Intelligence Committee's senior Democrat, said he was "beginning to believe" that the intelligence the administration claimed to have on Iraq's weapons program before the U.S.-led war to oust Saddam Hussein was not as sound as he had been led to believe. Appearing on NBC's Meet the Press, the lawmakers gave voice to growing concerns in Congress over the failure so far to find Iraq's alleged biological, chemical and possibly nuclear weapons that President Bush used to justify the war. "I do think that we hyped nuclear, we hyped al Qaeda, we hyped the ability to disperse and use these weapons. I think that tends to be done by all presidents when they are trying to accomplish a goal that they want to get broad national support for," Biden said. Rockefeller said Congress must determine whether the administration "intentionally overestimated" Iraq's weapons program, or "just misread it. ... In either case it's a very bad outcome." Republican Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas, the Intelligence Committee chairman, said he expected weapons to be found, and that the United States must make certain they have not fallen into the hands of terrorists or rogue nations. If the weapons are not found, Roberts said on Meet the Press, "Basically, you have a real credibility problem." "There's not any doubt that he had weapons of mass destruction. The question is, where are they?" Sen. Orrin Hatch , a Utah Republican, said on CNN's Late Edition. Sen. Robert Byrd of West Virginia, who led opposition in the Senate to the Iraq war, last week delivered a blistering speech accusing Bush of constructing a "house of cards, built on deceit" to justify the war. Biden, who backed Bush's call to oust Saddam, stopped short of saying there was a deliberate deception. But he said, "I think a lot of the hype here is a serious, serious, serious mistake and it hurts our credibility." House Intelligence Committee Chairman Porter Goss, a Florida Republican, said on CBS' Face the Nation that he had "no doubts whatsoever that the administration worked on the basis of the intelligence that was given to them. "What I don't know is how good that intelligence was, and it is our job to find out." (In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.) __________________ New and Improved Chameleon Submitter 2.0 - Submit to TGP and MGP sites - GET YOURS TODAY!

05-29-2003, 08:02 PM	#2
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05-29-2003, 08:03 PM	#3
Gutterboy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Dis Posts: 4,751	Hyped? Exaggerated? Fucking democrat pussies.. he lied through his teeth. And they wonder why there is no viable demo to kick Bush out of office in '04. Grow some balls. The only one who has a pair right now is Byrd.

05-29-2003, 08:22 PM	#5
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	Fillmore cant you post something usefull for once?

05-29-2003, 08:24 PM	#6
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Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	I love the way folks trample all over and think things are brushed under the carpet!!! lol It ain't started yet.. sorry, it has just started, but many are blind to this.

05-29-2003, 09:13 PM	#13
Trolleater Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,441	need to do a hell of a lot more than just apologize.

05-29-2003, 09:16 PM	#14
dirtyone Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: God's Country (Georgia) Posts: 3,706	You're not getting a dvd player so just accept it.

05-29-2003, 09:27 PM	#19
dirtyone Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: God's Country (Georgia) Posts: 3,706	Well, I'll be sorry so you said, Well, I'm not sorry Bang you're dead!

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4Pics Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,952	If you notice all the people who are speaking out against this are Democrats? I bet if Bill Clinton was in office they wouldn't be saying shit. It would be the Republicans bitching about it.

05-30-2003, 01:10 AM	#27
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05-30-2003, 01:54 AM	#29
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05-30-2003, 07:24 AM	#31
LeeNoga Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Egg & Sperm Mutation Posts: 3,043	Not cost effective for America to apologize, they have to pay the bills for their lies such as "missing" the bomb target they called successful that had all these underground tunnels. Forensics found no such occupancy/tunnels, dead bodies or nothing. I bet the US plants WMD to justify this PR disaster. Yeah, we helped Iraq but where is the love, still paying to much at the gas pumps. But we Americans got a chance at a 52 card deck collectible, and a beanie baby named, "Hero"....that so made the war worth it. ForMat Bush :