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  • EddyTheDog
    Just Doing My Own Thing
    • Jan 2011
    • 25433
    #1

    Business Is Anyone Brave Enough To Get Into The AVS Game?..

    With the current climate it seems the perfect time to start an AVS - They made me more money back in the day than any other biz model...

    It's a legal minefield but would be a goldmine - Anyone got big enough balls?....
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    • WiredGuy
      Pounding Googlebot
      • Aug 2002
      • 34512
      #2
      Isn't the "Fan" business model of today basically a revamped AVS?
      WG
      I play with Google.

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        • EddyTheDog
          Just Doing My Own Thing
          • Jan 2011
          • 25433
          #3
          Originally posted by WiredGuy
          Isn't the "Fan" business model of today basically a revamped AVS?
          WG
          It's the same idea - You are getting yourself a captive audience and most importantly their credit card on file!..

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            • AutumnBH
              Confirmed User
              • Oct 2012
              • 298
              #4
              Originally posted by WiredGuy
              Isn't the "Fan" business model of today basically a revamped AVS?
              WG
              *fans sites are more like the modern iteration of the old solo girl sites, where obsessive simps can have parasocial relationships with the models as well as consuming their content.

              The appeal of AVS sites was that you could easily make microniche paysites with your own tour, thus controlling the whole funnel (although we didn't call it a funnel back then) and upsells in the members area, PLUS the surfer would then get access to every other site in the AVS network, which is quantitatively different to Onlyfans et. al.

              Also the big appeal of the old AVS system was that they had internal link lists for you to post the AVS version of the same 20-30 pic free sites that you would be posting to link lists Greenguy, Tommy's Bookmarks etc. That internal AVS link list traffic was absolutely gold because it was confirmed credit card holding porn buyers.

              I feel sick when I think about how much money I left on the table back in those early days, if only I hadn't been such a slack fuck.

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                • ANAL PASTE
                  Confirmed User
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 9070
                  #5
                  Originally posted by AutumnBH
                  *fans sites are more like the modern iteration of the old solo girl sites, where obsessive simps can have parasocial relationships with the models as well as consuming their content.

                  The appeal of AVS sites was that you could easily make microniche paysites with your own tour, thus controlling the whole funnel (although we didn't call it a funnel back then) and upsells in the members area, PLUS the surfer would then get access to every other site in the AVS network, which is quantitatively different to Onlyfans et. al.

                  Also the big appeal of the old AVS system was that they had internal link lists for you to post the AVS version of the same 20-30 pic free sites that you would be posting to link lists Greenguy, Tommy's Bookmarks etc. That internal AVS link list traffic was absolutely gold because it was confirmed credit card holding porn buyers.

                  I feel sick when I think about how much money I left on the table back in those early days, if only I hadn't been such a slack fuck.
                  I don' think that's what he had in mind. I think he is talking about new laws and "verifying the Age" with cc and filtering out gold traffic. I my be wrong, but if I am not I can point you in the direction where they probably already doing this.
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                    • natkejs
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 1640
                      #6
                      I don't think this will be solved with porn related age verification services but rather there will be these generic ones that cater to any type of online sales that requires you to be 18 or above, and then to pornography as well.

                      That way there is a lot of reasons to be verified through such a service other than watching porn, which I think would be crucial for mass adoption.

                      Think more of a digital ID that verifies you as an adult on the web, whether it's for buying tobacco or the latest pseudo incest double fisting chronicles.

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                        • Beaver1
                          Confirmed User
                          • Dec 2002
                          • 651
                          #7
                          I remember the end of the 1990s, when attempts were made to establish such AVS systems in Germany, the bounce rate for pages with AVS was 99.9 percent at that time.

                          Not a single user will complete an online age verification for porn sites if even a handful of tube sites are free or publicly accessible!


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                            • fuzebox
                              making it rain
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 22352
                              #8
                              Allow randos to upload whatever content they want and process it with my billing? Yeah no

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                                • EddyTheDog
                                  Just Doing My Own Thing
                                  • Jan 2011
                                  • 25433
                                  #9
                                  I forgot some of might you not have been born when AVS where around! - It was a business model that made a lot of people a lot of money - Even I couldn't fail to make money - lol!..

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                                    • Huggles
                                      GFY'S #1 retard
                                      • Feb 2003
                                      • 12509
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by EddyTheDog
                                      With the current climate it seems the perfect time to start an AVS - They made me more money back in the day than any other biz model...

                                      It's a legal minefield but would be a goldmine - Anyone got big enough balls?....
                                      SexKey was such a fucking insane money maker.... $15 per signup.... I forgot how and why, but AVS sites dropped off so fast... was it the MGPs?

                                      Inside the SexKey member's area, you could put content and ads up for paysites as an affiliate, so you were getting paid to verify their age, and then getting paid to upsell them to porn sites.... At some point, ARS came out with the "build your own tour" model and then THOSE sold insanely well with MGP traffic...
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                                        • EddyTheDog
                                          Just Doing My Own Thing
                                          • Jan 2011
                                          • 25433
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Huggles
                                          SexKey was such a fucking insane money maker.... $15 per signup.... I forgot how and why, but AVS sites dropped off so fast... was it the MGPs?

                                          Inside the SexKey member's area, you could put content and ads up for paysites as an affiliate, so you were getting paid to verify their age, and then getting paid to upsell them to porn sites.... At some point, ARS came out with the "build your own tour" model and then THOSE sold insanely well with MGP traffic...
                                          I set it up so I would get a ping on the computer when I got a sale - I used to sit there with a beer in the garden listening to the thing beeping all day - You could see the $ signs in my eyes - Those where the days!..

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                                            • CaptainHowdy
                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                              • Dec 2004
                                              • 94735
                                              #12
                                              We're not in the "not guts, no glory" business model . . .

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                                                • natkejs
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                  • 1640
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by EddyTheDog
                                                  I forgot some of might you not have been born when AVS where around! - It was a business model that made a lot of people a lot of money - Even I couldn't fail to make money - lol!..
                                                  My first sale ever was with Adult Check, somewhere around 1998 I suppose.

                                                  Didn't have much clue what I was doing, but sales started adding up.
                                                  I remember waiting every day for their manual sales update.

                                                  Live stats? Yea no, that came later lol

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                                                    • Publisher Bucks
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Oct 2018
                                                      • 1330
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by natkejs
                                                      My first sale ever was with Adult Check, somewhere around 1998 I suppose.

                                                      Didn't have much clue what I was doing, but sales started adding up.
                                                      I remember waiting every day for their manual sales update.

                                                      Live stats? Yea no, that came later lol
                                                      Adult Check was one of my first sales too, I about pissed myself with excitement about that sale too haha

                                                      Its a shame we killed off the AVS, would not be having the issues we are these days if we'd not been so greedy as an industry.
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                                                        • The Porn Nerd
                                                          Living The Dream
                                                          • Jun 2009
                                                          • 19787
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Publisher Bucks
                                                          Its a shame we killed off the AVS, would not be having the issues we are these days if we'd not been so greedy as an industry.
                                                          I wonder why the Industry couldn't resurrect the AVS/Sex Key/Adult Check business model. Let's say the biggest players get together to start one and the smaller players (like myself) could join for let's say a 5% fee based on volume. This way thousands of sites could be included and the entire Industry (more or less) would be protected.

                                                          Individual companies could also upsell in the Members Area. In other words, hold back content for only additional paying Members. But everyone would have to pay the initial Age verified fee.
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                                                            • Huggles
                                                              GFY'S #1 retard
                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                              • 12509
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                              I wonder why the Industry couldn't resurrect the AVS/Sex Key/Adult Check business model. Let's say the biggest players get together to start one and the smaller players (like myself) could join for let's say a 5% fee based on volume. This way thousands of sites could be included and the entire Industry (more or less) would be protected.

                                                              Individual companies could also upsell in the Members Area. In other words, hold back content for only additional paying Members. But everyone would have to pay the initial Age verified fee.
                                                              Broooo... doesn't this feel like the next big wave to ride? Someone let me make the compilation videos of categories of porn inside the first AVS! I'll do all the video editing!
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                                                                • natkejs
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                                  • 1640
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                                  I wonder why the Industry couldn't resurrect the AVS/Sex Key/Adult Check business model. Let's say the biggest players get together to start one and the smaller players (like myself) could join for let's say a 5% fee based on volume. This way thousands of sites could be included and the entire Industry (more or less) would be protected.

                                                                  Individual companies could also upsell in the Members Area. In other words, hold back content for only additional paying Members. But everyone would have to pay the initial Age verified fee.
                                                                  It's an intriguing idea, if it would work as a single login thing giving you hassle free access to a fair selection of sites... But then from the surfer perspective, with the amount of free porn out there why not just hop on over to a website that doesn't do age checking?

                                                                  If you have something unique to offer sure, but for some (most?) sites there will be plenty of alternatives a simple search away.

                                                                  Maybe I'm just being pessimistic

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                                                                    • The Porn Nerd
                                                                      Living The Dream
                                                                      • Jun 2009
                                                                      • 19787
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by natkejs
                                                                      It's an intriguing idea, if it would work as a single login thing giving you hassle free access to a fair selection of sites... But then from the surfer perspective, with the amount of free porn out there why not just hop on over to a website that doesn't do age checking?

                                                                      If you have something unique to offer sure, but for some (most?) sites there will be plenty of alternatives a simple search away.

                                                                      Maybe I'm just being pessimistic
                                                                      I hear what you are saying but even sites not hosted in the US or UK will want to do business in these places so will have to comply. In time, once more and more sites signup for the new AVS system the less 'free porn' will be out there. Maybe. LOL Who knows?

                                                                      I know surfers do like convenience so if most porn was under some sort of Industry-wide AVS system i think it would be worthwhile.
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                                                                        • Publisher Bucks
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Oct 2018
                                                                          • 1330
                                                                          #19
                                                                          The one thing that most are forgetting who are responding to these age verification threads, which is actually a very important thing you're not considering...

                                                                          Its going to be easier to circumvent the age verification, than it is to implement something that would actually return some of the lost profitability in the industry, most people don't actually care about the 'long-term' sustainability of their income, they want to make money now, without worrying what will happen 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 years down the road, that's how we got into this mess to begin with, affiliates and site owners giving the horse away with the cart to make a quick buck.
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                                                                            • Huggles
                                                                              GFY'S #1 retard
                                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                                              • 12509
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Publisher Bucks
                                                                              that's how we got into this mess to begin with, affiliates and site owners giving the horse away with the cart to make a quick buck.
                                                                              Wow... people doing sex work for a quick buck... wow... hahaha
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                                                                                • natkejs
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                                                  • 1640
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by Publisher Bucks
                                                                                  The one thing that most are forgetting who are responding to these age verification threads, which is actually a very important thing you're not considering...

                                                                                  Its going to be easier to circumvent the age verification, than it is to implement something that would actually return some of the lost profitability in the industry, most people don't actually care about the 'long-term' sustainability of their income, they want to make money now, without worrying what will happen 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 years down the road, that's how we got into this mess to begin with, affiliates and site owners giving the horse away with the cart to make a quick buck.
                                                                                  If it would apply to social media apps as well, and globally, there playing field would be a little bit more leveled. But it's a matter of putting the cat back in the bag..

                                                                                  The average user these days might pay for porn on special occasions, but expects it to be generally free. Much like entertainment in general, we expect to just see it for free or part of some all inclusive package, if there is something we really fancy we might pay a bit more.

                                                                                  But if as a user, I can choose between showing my face and ID on somepornsite.com vs just hitting up SomePorn on Reddit without any of that, or searching for "Some Porn sites that does not require identification"... choice will be simple.

                                                                                  Though I do like the idea of running SFW / NSFW separated by some kind of age gate. However I don't like the idea of me doing that, or blocking states / countries, while 99% of competitors do not

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