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jact 05-28-2003 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by p00p
directfiesta, do you have to pay U.S. taxes on top of your Canadian taxes now that you are registered in the USA?
Someone told me there is a 40% tax enforced by the IRS (Foreign Withholding Tax) I believe it was called. Could be bullshit. Who knows.

iroc409 05-28-2003 10:01 PM

hahah, i can just see the canadia bureaucrats in their offices high on perrier "duuuhh... guns and porn are BAD... duuuuuhhh... yeah, let's make them illegal, but you can still fuck young girls! yay for the mounties!!"


hahah, sorry, this will be my only post poking fun of canadia this evening.

Pipecrew 05-28-2003 10:02 PM

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Originally posted by jact


Someone told me there is a 40% tax enforced by the IRS (Foreign Withholding Tax) I believe it was called. Could be bullshit. Who knows.

Heard that as well, its not bullshit at all. Its so you cant skip down and not pay taxes, The Bank actually holds the money in your account for the IRS

tony286 05-28-2003 10:03 PM

I am willing to become the CEO of USCAN LLC. For a small salary, I would do that for my canadian brothers. I have a office, I am on a T-1 and I am US citzen and live in the US.

p00p 05-28-2003 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta


That's right... and we can also pay for a hooker with Visa/Mc...
I used to do business with Internet Secure ( Nova Scotia Bank affiliate: after one year, they decided that our site was porn ( always was porn...) and cut us off on the spot.


pOOp , taxes are complicated. You will have about 20% deducted from your check. I keep it in a US bank and pay expenses with it ( hosting, content,...) to bring the income to the lowest point. You then get back when filing your taxes. Memberships are in my US corp. Video sales are in my Canadian Corp .

Take note that Revenue Canada considers that ALL membership should be subject to GST ( and provincial: they always piggyback) , so this is 15.5% ... ( so the 20% in the US is not that bad)...
You NEED an accountant to setup everything.

Good info....Did the people who help set you up in Delaware set up your U.S. bank account, too?
This is fucked. %15 for processing, plus another %20 taken off for taxes. I have a decent accountant, this may be over his head, though.

gruffy 05-28-2003 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by iroc409
hahah, i can just see the canadia bureaucrats in their offices high on perrier "duuuhh... guns and porn are BAD... duuuuuhhh... yeah, let's make them illegal, but you can still fuck young girls! yay for the mounties!!"


hahah, sorry, this will be my only post poking fun of canadia this evening.


See what happens when you let the french run things?

So glad this didn't happen to America.

iroc409 05-28-2003 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by gruffy



See what happens when you let the french run things?

So glad this didn't happen to America.


that's why we have guns, so we can fix government's error. too bad we won't have them for much longer, if people get their ways :Oh crap



so, are the mounties really as silly as they are portrayed on tv? i was up there at the training station or whatever, but that was years ago so i don't really remember.

gruffy 05-28-2003 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by jact
Someone told me there is a 40% tax enforced by the IRS (Foreign Withholding Tax) I believe it was called. Could be bullshit. Who knows.

Basically you have to pay tax to the IRS and tax to CCRA and then pray to god you have a competent accountant and beg for that money back via tax treaty beetween the two countries. If not pray you have a good tax attorney and maybe on your 3rd appeal in tax court with the CCRA they will decide to stop fucking with you.

p00p 05-28-2003 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by iroc409
hahah, i can just see the canadia bureaucrats in their offices high on perrier "duuuhh... guns and porn are BAD... duuuuuhhh... yeah, let's make them illegal, but you can still fuck young girls! yay for the mounties!!"


hahah, sorry, this will be my only post poking fun of canadia this evening.

http://www.c-a-s-e.net/Age%20of%20Consent.htm
Whacked shit....

gruffy 05-28-2003 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by iroc409
so, are the mounties really as silly as they are portrayed on tv? i was up there at the training station or whatever, but that was years ago so i don't really remember.

Mounties are actually pretty bad assed.

Especially the east indian one who took his case to the supreme court saying he should be allowed to wear a turban enstead of the traditional mountie hat.

fucking Canada is the only country on the planet where foreigners can show up and demand everything be changed to suit them. :ak47:

Angelonfire 05-28-2003 10:17 PM

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iroc409 05-28-2003 10:21 PM

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Originally posted by gruffy




fucking Canada is the only country on the planet where foreigners can show up and demand everything be changed to suit them. :ak47:



hahaha... been to the states much? generally laws here reflect the minority's persuasion. and generally we're not talking the minority that are rich and powerful.



good to know about the mounties. at least, not to fuck with them. that's one thing you do NOT fuck with around here, the nebraska state p. these guys frighten me. 8 out of 10 are ripped enough to break most people in half. very scary, i shit you not. i would not run from one of these guys. they'll shoot at you too, if you fuck around. they used to get in trouble for shooting at vehicles on the highway that wouldn't stop. now they have 5 of the new 170-mph camaros. lol.. i've had so many run-ins with them, those guys are crazy. i also know a state p investigator, man they used to do some crazy shit.. damn. don't fuck with these guys if you're in nebraska. they're not afraid of lunatics either. we get a lot of drug traffic through here and stuff... it's nuts.


now city police and the sherriffs, that's a different story. mostly donut stuffers.

p00p 05-28-2003 10:22 PM

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Originally posted by iroc409


so, are the mounties really as silly as they are portrayed on tv? i was up there at the training station or whatever, but that was years ago so i don't really remember.

You should come up here again! The mounties no longer ride horses, they have cars. Also, a fair amount of Canadians have running water, fairly reliable power, and some even have flush toilets.
We already have 16 cable channels, and no longer share a phone line with 4 neighbors. When color TV arrives, our country will never be the same.....Imagine Three's Company, Happy Days, Laverne and Shirley, and my personal fav, Starsky and Hutch in living color! Canada Kicks Ass!

iroc409 05-28-2003 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by p00p

http://www.c-a-s-e.net/Age%20of%20Consent.htm
Whacked shit....


interesting...

read the one about "the effects of porn"? yeah, i didn't read it all, but it was interesting.

directfiesta 05-28-2003 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by p00p

Good info....Did the people who help set you up in Delaware set up your U.S. bank account, too?
This is fucked. %15 for processing, plus another %20 taken off for taxes. I have a decent accountant, this may be over his head, though.

My US bank is TD Waterhouse. I did that on line, got a check card. I already had ad TD Canada bank account....

I do not bring back the revenue directly to Canada. As said, in a US bank, used to pay major expenses.

Please do take note that you should be paying 15.5% tax as GST to the Canadian Gov anyway of ALL your membership( they got a few of the big ones lately). So, by declaring it US ( It shows on Ibill page that the merchant such and such, USA ) you save that amount....

It is not the ideal situation, but better than cut off . Just the rebills at Ibill covered the whole process many times.

p00p 05-28-2003 10:24 PM

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Originally posted by Angelonfire
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How are you going to process your site when the other processors start charging the $750?

iroc409 05-28-2003 10:26 PM

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Originally posted by p00p

You should come up here again! The mounties no longer ride horses, they have cars. Also, a fair amount of Canadians have running water, fairly reliable power, and some even have flush toilets.
We already have 16 cable channels, and no longer share a phone line with 4 neighbors. When color TV arrives, our country will never be the same.....Imagine Three's Company, Happy Days, Laverne and Shirley, and my personal fav, Starsky and Hutch in living color! Canada Kicks Ass!


actually, i wouldn't mind visiting canada again. been to the ca side of the falls, and then another year we drove through the western half. went up in washington, came back stateside in north dakota. it was a fun trip. except when we got lost one day and ended up 30km from where we started. it kamloops north? i think that's where we ended up realizing we went the wrong way :)

but yeah, for the most part the people were pleasant, and it was pretty. i enjoyed banff and that crazy cement factory. oddly enough, it does feel like a different country when you're there. i didn't think it would, being so close to the US and all.

but you guys really should learn how to make highways. here, we blast through the side of the mountains, you guys go up the side. that's not easy with a 27' 5th wheel, even if the truck's a diesel :glugglug

gruffy 05-28-2003 10:28 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta


My US bank is TD Waterhouse. I did that on line, got a check card. I already had ad TD Canada bank account....

I do not bring back the revenue directly to Canada. As said, in a US bank, used to pay major expenses.

Please do take note that you should be paying 15.5% tax as GST to the Canadian Gov anyway of ALL your membership( they got a few of the big ones lately). So, by declaring it US ( It shows on Ibill page that the merchant such and such, USA ) you save that amount....

It is not the ideal situation, but better than cut off . Just the rebills at Ibill covered the whole process many times.



Hmmm interesting. I've been using RBC for the biz but they are ass-rape extortion artists.

TD seems to have the cross border thing down.

Any other tax tips? I've been meaning to find an accountant in the know to fix my messes but they are quite rare.

psyko514 05-28-2003 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta


My US bank is TD Waterhouse. I did that on line, got a check card. I already had ad TD Canada bank account....

I do not bring back the revenue directly to Canada. As said, in a US bank, used to pay major expenses.

Please do take note that you should be paying 15.5% tax as GST to the Canadian Gov anyway of ALL your membership( they got a few of the big ones lately). So, by declaring it US ( It shows on Ibill page that the merchant such and such, USA ) you save that amount....

It is not the ideal situation, but better than cut off . Just the rebills at Ibill covered the whole process many times.

You're saying that your TD Waterhouse account holds your taxes for you? Because I have a Waterhouse account as well, and they don't hold anything...

Do you have a regular checking account or an actual business account with them?

iroc409 05-28-2003 10:32 PM

can i get a td waterhouse us$ account from the us?

directfiesta 05-28-2003 10:33 PM

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Originally posted by gruffy




Hmmm interesting. I've been using RBC for the biz but they are ass-rape extortion artists.

TD seems to have the cross border thing down.

Any other tax tips? I've been meaning to find an accountant in the know to fix my messes but they are quite rare.

My personnal accounts are at the Royal, and I used to do business with the head office here. Every time I waved to my account manager, I would see a few days later a " management fee" of 200.00 or 300.00 debited in my account . I started sending my assistant: cheaper....

Tax Tip # 1: pay the taxes

Tax Tip # 2: always follow TIP # 1

Consult a tax specialist with experience in foreign business. I am not qualified for that. I just relate my experience.

gruffy 05-28-2003 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by iroc409



actually, i wouldn't mind visiting canada again. been to the ca side of the falls, and then another year we drove through the western half. went up in washington, came back stateside in north dakota. it was a fun trip. except when we got lost one day and ended up 30km from where we started. it kamloops north? i think that's where we ended up realizing we went the wrong way :)

but yeah, for the most part the people were pleasant, and it was pretty. i enjoyed banff and that crazy cement factory. oddly enough, it does feel like a different country when you're there. i didn't think it would, being so close to the US and all.



Man visit ontario and quebec.. all that other shit is boring.

Well, unless you need weed.. in that case goto BC.

iroc409 05-28-2003 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by gruffy




Man visit ontario and quebec.. all that other shit is boring.

Well, unless you need weed.. in that case goto BC.


will do. i can get away with being there and not speaking french, right? 'cause i'm not going to learn french.

would kinda like to see vancouver someday too, i hear it's nice as well.

gruffy 05-28-2003 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta
Consult a tax specialist with experience in foreign business. I am not qualified for that. I just relate my experience.

Man that sounds expensive.


RBC no good = use TD ?

gruffy 05-28-2003 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by iroc409
will do. i can get away with being there and not speaking french, right? 'cause i'm not going to learn french.

would kinda like to see vancouver someday too, i hear it's nice as well.


Do Toronto and Montreal. Can't recommend any other parts of Canada... unless you are a nature freak.

The Click 05-28-2003 10:38 PM

I have to keep posting probilling,

no visa fees
no visa rules
bank wires on time everytime
great customer service
do you need anything else?

directfiesta 05-28-2003 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by iroc409
can i get a td waterhouse us$ account from the us?
I don't work for them ... lol

But this is what I found, and seems like YES:

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Q "How do I apply for a Value USA or Premier USA Checking Account"


TD Canada Trust or TD Waterhouse (Canada) customers can apply online. Apply now or call 1-888-327-9962 and press 0 to have an application delivered via mail.

If you do not have a TD Canada Trust account or TD Waterhouse (Canada) account, you are required to visit one of the following bank branches to apply for a Value USA or Premier USA Checking Account:

100 Wall Street
New York, New York 10005

OR

525 Washington Boulevard
Jersey City, New Jersey 07310

Note: Your account will not be set up until you have completed and returned a signature card. The signature card can be mailed to you or you can print it out online and mail it in.

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https://www.tdcanadatrust.com/usbanking/index.jsp

iroc409 05-28-2003 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta


I don't work for them ... lol

But this is what I found, and seems like YES:

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Q "How do I apply for a Value USA or Premier USA Checking Account"


TD Canada Trust or TD Waterhouse (Canada) customers can apply online. Apply now or call 1-888-327-9962 and press 0 to have an application delivered via mail.

If you do not have a TD Canada Trust account or TD Waterhouse (Canada) account, you are required to visit one of the following bank branches to apply for a Value USA or Premier USA Checking Account:

100 Wall Street
New York, New York 10005

OR

525 Washington Boulevard
Jersey City, New Jersey 07310

Note: Your account will not be set up until you have completed and returned a signature card. The signature card can be mailed to you or you can print it out online and mail it in.

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https://www.tdcanadatrust.com/usbanking/index.jsp

hrm.. that's in the US, so probably i could. now the only problem is they're about 1300 miles away to visit the branch :)

psyko514 05-28-2003 10:44 PM

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Originally posted by iroc409


hrm.. that's in the US, so probably i could. now the only problem is they're about 1300 miles away to visit the branch :)

Yeah... they're a virtual bank. To make deposits, you have to either mail in the checks or get wires. And you withdraw with the Visa check card they give you.

Webby 05-28-2003 10:51 PM

OK... possible scenarios... depending on your resident country.
The following also does not take account of any circumstances which at this time as unknown. (Who knows wot VISA will do next?)

Get a Gibraltar corporation. This gives access to all Euro billing companies, Globill ad nausea and also the EU flavor of CCBill (known as CCBillEU.com) There are no $750 fees and no DNA and sperm counts required.

For folks who have recurring billing tied up in the North American banking region with people like IBill blah.. they are fucked. It does not take much saying that this problem was known last year.

Gibraltar is an offshore and no taxes are due in this jurisdiction.
However, anyone who resides in their country of citizenship will still have taxes due on funds which they pull into their country.
US citizens are further complicated with bullshit about offshores being "illegal" blah, however if you wish to stay OK with the IRS, get an accountant to clear your personal position and be open about the revenue.

There is little doubt that *any* option outside US jurisdiction is preferable.

Having said that, next week can raise another scenario. This biz is "on the run" and only those flexible will survive.


:2 cents: worth

iroc409 05-28-2003 10:59 PM

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Originally posted by psyko514


Yeah... they're a virtual bank. To make deposits, you have to either mail in the checks or get wires. And you withdraw with the Visa check card they give you.


wouldn't be a totally bad idea. i'd just like a good place to hide some cash from other banks and business people. i learned from an old and very rich friend of the family it's good to have assets in other places. a bank owner tried to fuck him years ago, and did pretty well at it, but didn't know he had a sizeable stash 60 miles away in a bank in omaha. so, he continued with business as usual afterwards. but those were the years that all the information wasn't so interconnected and freely available.

Centurion 05-28-2003 11:04 PM

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Originally posted by tony404
I am willing to become the CEO of USCAN LLC. For a small salary, I would do that for my canadian brothers. I have a office, I am on a T-1 and I am US citzen and live in the US.

No kidding. Someone should start a site called "Rent-a-USACEO" and make a killing!

Jive 05-28-2003 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by The Click
I have to keep posting probilling,

no visa fees
no visa rules
bank wires on time everytime
great customer service
do you need anything else?

If you want to be scrubbed to death!


Probilling sucks tried them! Bankrupt in 6 months probably?
they lossed there Merchant account once already? then they got
it back barely?

p00p 05-28-2003 11:22 PM

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Originally posted by The Click
I have to keep posting probilling,

no visa fees
no visa rules
bank wires on time everytime
great customer service
do you need anything else?

I want someone from Probilling to post here saying that their customers will not have to pay the Visa fee in the future.

Jive 05-28-2003 11:33 PM

Shitty, Acpay owes me money, and alot of others!
I already looked inot Ccbill, Ibill, sorry they just don't want to play with Canadians only want to fuck our women and drink our beer,

it's there loss in revenue? and I don't understand it.
they process Euro but not Canada! were right next door?
WAKE UP...:mad:

Webby 05-28-2003 11:33 PM

p00p:

Quote:

I want someone from Probilling to post here saying that their customers will not have to pay the Visa fee in the future.
Doubt anyone can say that.. these things "pop up" least when ya expect em :glugglug

Jive 05-28-2003 11:36 PM

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Originally posted by p00p

I want someone from Probilling to post here saying that their customers will not have to pay the Visa fee in the future.

Again, Probilling scrubs to much, you won't get ahead with them!

your far better off opening a a corp account in the states

there isn't any reliable CC in Canada Verotel isn't paying either!

Webby 05-28-2003 11:37 PM

Jive:

Quote:

Shitty, Acpay owes me money, and alot of others!
I already looked inot Ccbill, Ibill, sorry they just don't want to play with Canadians only want to fuck our women and drink our beer,

it's there loss in revenue? and I don't understand it.
they process Euro but not Canada! were right next door?
WAKE UP...
You seriously did not look at IBill???? :Graucho

Sorry to hear of more losses. Do yourself a favor and look at dealing via offshore corp. I know of a good few of your countrymen that deal this way. And.. you don't have the buggage that US citizens have regarding taxes.

Webby 05-28-2003 11:42 PM

Jive:

Quote:

Again, Probilling scrubs to much, you won't get ahead with them!

your far better off opening a a corp account in the states

there isn't any reliable CC in Canada Verotel isn't paying either!
Gotta agree with you on the scrubbing.. might as well close down and save hosting bills! :Graucho

Mmm. in Canada?... Get an EU corp.. better than opening your soul in the US at this time. See comments on Gibraltar...

gruffy 05-28-2003 11:56 PM

"You can do that through our Nevada office" has a nice ring to it.


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