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rodme_him · 05-28-2003, 10:54 AM

why is it that Canada always seems to get the shaft when it comes to dealing with the states?

I mean, we can use our MC/VISA cards on any porn site in the US and not have anyproblems, but when a Canadian Porn site is up and running, it can't accept Visa unless they are American.

So the US gets our money, but we can't have theirs FUCK THAT NOISE!!!

I think the United States needs to stop it Xenophobic Attitudes, stay out of every other countries business and mind their own, look after their own Country and stop bitching about others, take care of their poor, their hungry and their sick.

Who cares if someones country is under a dictatorship, you have to look at this way, are they being fed, do they have health care, do they have water, if they do, leave them alone just because they don't have the same religion as us, doesn't make them any less human.

Canada is a great country to live in, sure I pay taxes, but a least I have free health care, and I can find a job, get financial help when I need it, and have every opportunity to run my own business to help my countries economy.

So guess what U.S., get with the program and start playing nice with the rest of the world, or we will turn this planet around and head right back home!!! LOL

Sly_RJ · 05-28-2003, 10:57 AM

I think you need to buy a clue. I'll sell you one for $5. I only accept Visa.

SpaceAce · 05-28-2003, 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by rodme_him
So the US gets our money, but we can't have theirs FUCK THAT NOISE!!!

Had a little too much crack today? How many US dollars get shipped to Canada every week in the form of sponsor checks for Canadian webmasters? Hmmm... lots. How many Canadian pesos (shut up, I know they aren't pesos) come south from Canadian webmaster programs? A small handful.

How many American dollars head up to Canada to purchase oil and lumber? Lots. How many American dollars stay at the Casino Windsor? Lots. How many American dollars does Tim Horton's suck up through tourism and the few US locations? Plenty.

Shut up.

SpaceAce

rodme_him · 05-28-2003, 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by SpaceAce

Had a little too much crack today? How many US dollars get shipped to Canada every week in the form of sponsor checks for Canadian webmasters? Hmmm... lots. How many Canadian pesos (shut up, I know they aren't pesos) come south from Canadian webmaster programs? A small handful.

How many American dollars head up to Canada to purchase oil and lumber? Lots. How many American dollars stay at the Casino Windsor? Lots. How many American dollars does Tim Horton's suck up through tourism and the few US locations? Plenty.

Shut up.

SpaceAce

Can't take a litte criticism, oh we are a touchy bunch in the US aren't we ;)

psyko514 · 05-28-2003, 11:05 AM

FUCK THAT NOISE!

gruffy · 05-28-2003, 11:07 AM

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Originally posted by rodme_him
why is it that Canada always seems to get the shaft when it comes to dealing with the states?

I mean, we can use our MC/VISA cards on any porn site in the US and not have anyproblems, but when a Canadian Porn site is up and running, it can't accept Visa unless they are American.

So the US gets our money, but we can't have theirs FUCK THAT NOISE!!!

Has nothing to do with Americans. Canadian banks won't touch the IPSP model / high risk / adult, thats the fucking problem.

Why? because Canadian banking is a cartel of 4-5 banks. Thats the fucking problem. Thats why it costs $80 to have 100 cheques printed on your business account. Thats why they won't touch adult, because they know they don't have any competitors that will.

If you want to bitch about something that really is a problem how about bitching about competing US companies pay zero tax while you get ass raped. Other Canadian companies can go beg the government for free money and tax breaks because of this an adult business sure as hell can't.

Fuck... buy a clue you hoser.

rodme_him · 05-28-2003, 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by gruffy

Has nothing to do with Americans. Canadian banks won't touch the IPSP model / high risk / adult, thats the fucking problem.

Why? because Canadian banking is a cartel of 4-5 banks. Thats the fucking problem. Thats why it costs $80 to have 100 cheques printed on your business account. Thats why they won't touch adult, because they know they don't have any competitors that will.

If you want to bitch about something that really is a problem how about bitching about competing US companies pay zero tax while you get ass raped. Other Canadian companies can go beg the government for free money and tax breaks because of this an adult business sure as hell can't.

Fuck... buy a clue you hoser.

You know something, the Adult Industry wouldn't be so high risk if most of the so called webmasters actually ran a business above board and didn't resort to scam tactics, like spamming email addresses without the thought it might be going to a young child, thousands of popups, using false names to lure people to their websites, just generally being the scum of the Porn Market.

That is what makes it HIGH RISK. That is why the credit card companies are being so hard to work with.

I have a clue, I run an honest business, give what I promise and have customers that keep coming back, in fact I have customers that have been with me for over 3 - 4 years since I first started as an AVS site. I don't need to cheat them, steal from them, or lie to them to get them to stay.

Can you say that much?

Have you never spammed someone to make the sale?

Have you never lied just to get that sale?

It seems us Canadian business that are honest are paying the price for people that are unscrupulous in the market, thus the 1% chargeback amount from MC. Before telling me to shut my mouth, I think you need to check your business model.

I don't mind paying for my cheques, I know they are good quality and are nice looking, plus I am keeping someone employed.

I don't mind paying my taxes, I at least get my health benefits, social assistance programs, and other social programs paid for that way.

I like my banks being monitored so they don't just fold up and take my money with them.

And if you really think about it, if all Adult websites were honest, followed the rules, and you asked the right person, you might just get that tax break. ;)

Sly_RJ · 05-28-2003, 11:26 AM

How did you start out bitching about the American government and then switch over to blaming everything on scamming adult companies?

gruffy · 05-28-2003, 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by rodme_him
You know something, the Adult Industry wouldn't be so high risk if most of the so called webmasters actually ran a business above board and didn't resort to scam tactics, like spamming email addresses without the thought it might be going to a young child, thousands of popups, using false names to lure people to their websites, just generally being the scum of the Porn Market.

That is what makes it HIGH RISK. That is why the credit card companies are being so hard to work with.

I have a clue, I run an honest business, give what I promise and have customers that keep coming back, in fact I have customers that have been with me for over 3 - 4 years since I first started as an AVS site. I don't need to cheat them, steal from them, or lie to them to get them to stay.

Can you say that much?

Have you never spammed someone to make the sale?

Have you never lied just to get that sale?

It seems us Canadian business that are honest are paying the price for people that are unscrupulous in the market, thus the 1% chargeback amount from MC. Before telling me to shut my mouth, I think you need to check your business model.

I don't mind paying for my cheques, I know they are good quality and are nice looking, plus I am keeping someone employed.

I don't mind paying my taxes, I at least get my health benefits, social assistance programs, and other social programs paid for that way.

I like my banks being monitored so they don't just fold up and take my money with them.

And if you really think about it, if all Adult websites were honest, followed the rules, and you asked the right person, you might just get that tax break. ;)

The illegal shit that goes on in adult is the MOST tame you will see as far as what business gets away with.

I won't even bother with the rest of your ignorant drivel, except for the bullshit the Canadian banks are "monitored".

If you are paying $50-100 a month just to HAVE a bank account, and it is the same with every single other bank in the country, then your bank is not being monitored.

In fact, it is making its own rules and the government is doing absolutely nothing but regulate competition out of the Canadian market.

rodme_him · 05-28-2003, 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
How did you start out bitching about the American government and then switch over to blaming everything on scamming adult companies?

Scamming Adult Companies are the reason that the American government and credit card companies are making so many changes.

All exports, imports aside, is still comes down to this, Canadian Porn Businesses can't make it on the net unless they abide by the US rules or operate in the US (I am not going there).

But I ask this:

Who made Mastercard US in charge of international business?

Who made Visa US in charge of international business?

Who made the US the boss of the world?

Was there a world election that I missed?

psyko514 · 05-28-2003, 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by rodme_him
Was there a world election that I missed?

Yeah. You were on the crapper.

Sly_RJ · 05-28-2003, 12:02 PM

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Originally posted by rodme_him

Who made Mastercard US in charge of international business?

Who made Visa US in charge of international business?

Who made the US the boss of the world?

Was there a world election that I missed?

Capitalism.

rodme_him · 05-28-2003, 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by gruffy

The illegal shit that goes on in adult is the MOST tame you will see as far as what business gets away with.

I won't even bother with the rest of your ignorant drivel, except for the bullshit the Canadian banks are "monitored".

If you are paying $50-100 a month just to HAVE a bank account, and it is the same with every single other bank in the country, then your bank is not being monitored.

In fact, it is making its own rules and the government is doing absolutely nothing but regulate competition out of the Canadian market.

If your paying $50-$100 a month to have your account, your with the wrong bank, my service fees are maybe close to $20 a month, and I certainly didn't pay $80 to have my cheques printed, I paid $25.

I don't call sending splatter spam out about porn without knowing where it is going to go, tame.

As far as the ignorant drivel comment, I must have hit close to the mark to warrant that one!

gruffy · 05-28-2003, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by rodme_him
Who made the US the boss of the world?

America controls 2/3rds of the worlds economy and are the most willing and able to bomb countries that disagree with this into submission.

Thats just how things work. It won't last long but it's at least good for a laugh.

rodme_him · 05-28-2003, 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by psyko514

Yeah. You were on the crapper.

See what happens when the rest of the world is not informed. Miss one election call, and you end up getting screwed

rodme_him · 05-28-2003, 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by gruffy

America controls 2/3rds of the worlds economy and are the most willing and able to bomb countries that disagree with this into submission.

Thats just how things work. It won't last long but it's at least good for a laugh.

WOW, your really brainwashed aren't ya!

gruffy · 05-28-2003, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by rodme_him
WOW, your really brainwashed aren't ya!

Ok, convince me otherwise you silly troll.

rodme_him · 05-28-2003, 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by gruffy

Ok, convince me otherwise you silly troll.

Thats the response I kind of expected from you, immature and childish.

gruffy · 05-28-2003, 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by rodme_him
Thats the response I kind of expected from you, immature and childish.

This is not overwhelmingly compelling data as to the USA's position.

so;

rodme_him · 05-28-2003, 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by gruffy

This is not overwhelmingly compelling data as to the USA's position.

so;

I rest my case, as everyone can see you are nothing but a child

gothweb · 05-28-2003, 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by rodme_him

But I ask this:

Who made Mastercard US in charge of international business?

Who made Visa US in charge of international business?

Who made the US the boss of the world?

Was there a world election that I missed?

Again, the problem you are talking about is because of a handful of Canadian banks, not any US decisions. Visa and MC allow IPSPs, but Canadian banks do not. Sounds like Canada's fuckup, not anyone else's.

As for who mad Mastercard or Visa in charge... All of the people who have decided to spend most of their money through those cards.

As for who made the US in charge... Well, do you actually know who owns Visa and Mastercard? How sure are you that they are US controlled companies. I am waiting...

Finally... I am answering assuming you are serious, but hoping you are a character or troll. Nobody should be this stupid.

SpaceAce · 05-28-2003, 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by rodme_him

Can't take a litte criticism, oh we are a touchy bunch in the US aren't we ;)

Yeah, nice try. You post a bunch of lame drivel with no factual basis and try to hide behind the "criticism" label when you get called. I'm not touchy, you're just full of shit.

SpaceAce

SpaceAce · 05-28-2003, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by rodme_him

As far as the ignorant drivel comment, I must have hit close to the mark to warrant that one!

LOL, did someone else also use the word drivel? It's probably more than coincidence that your post brought that particular word to mind for more than one person.

SpaceAce

SexySarah · 05-28-2003, 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
How did you start out bitching about the American government and then switch over to blaming everything on scamming adult companies?

just for once, see if you can actually contribute to a discussion

rodme_him · 05-28-2003, 01:11 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by gothweb
[B]

Again, the problem you are talking about is because of a handful of Canadian banks, not any US decisions. Visa and MC allow IPSPs, but Canadian banks do not. Sounds like Canada's fuckup, not anyone else's.

As for who mad Mastercard or Visa in charge... All of the people who have decided to spend most of their money through those cards.

As for who made the US in charge...

Well, do you actually know who owns Visa and Mastercard?

Global Headquarters
2000 Purchase Street, Purchase, NY 10577 U.S.A.
Telephone: +1-914-249-2000

Looks like the US to me.

How sure are you that they are US controlled companies. I am waiting...
My guess is they answer to the US Politicians.

[hoping you are a character or troll.]
Neither infact, but I do admit I don't know everything about the business world and don't claim to.

gruffy · 05-28-2003, 01:17 PM

Hmm, visa/mc owned by Americans? Quelle suprise.

Great evidence to support your theory that most of the worlds economy is not controlled by America.

gothweb · 05-28-2003, 01:20 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by rodme_him
[B]

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb

Global Headquarters
2000 Purchase Street, Purchase, NY 10577 U.S.A.
Telephone: +1-914-249-2000

Looks like the US to me.

Here's how I understand it: Visa and Mastercard are collections of banks, and are controlled by their member banks. There is a corporation, which has a base, but in the end the banks are in charge.

Its your attitude that makes you look stupid. There are plenty of people who don't know how things work, it's how you react to what you *think* you know that makes you look like a tool. You are up in arms over a bunch of dumb assumptions.

gruffy · 05-28-2003, 01:25 PM

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Originally posted by gothweb
Its your attitude that makes you look stupid. There are plenty of people who don't know how things work, it's how you react to what you *think* you know that makes you look like a tool. You are up in arms over a bunch of dumb assumptions.

I for one appreciate his strong grasp on Canadian business ethics and the Canadian banking system.

rodme_him · 05-28-2003, 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by gothweb

Its your attitude that makes you look stupid. There are plenty of people who don't know how things work, it's how you react to what you *think* you know that makes you look like a tool. You are up in arms over a bunch of dumb assumptions.

I don't understand you people, someones posts on this board their opinion, their bitch, their gripe and gets called names.

Grow up, I mean really.

I admit I don't know all there is to know about how the business world works. I am pointing out my opinion on this matter, I thought thats what this board was for, I am willing to even debate about it.

05-28-2003, 10:54 AM	#1
rodme_him Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 51	I know we are having our share of problems, but..... why is it that Canada always seems to get the shaft when it comes to dealing with the states? I mean, we can use our MC/VISA cards on any porn site in the US and not have anyproblems, but when a Canadian Porn site is up and running, it can't accept Visa unless they are American. So the US gets our money, but we can't have theirs FUCK THAT NOISE!!! I think the United States needs to stop it Xenophobic Attitudes, stay out of every other countries business and mind their own, look after their own Country and stop bitching about others, take care of their poor, their hungry and their sick. Who cares if someones country is under a dictatorship, you have to look at this way, are they being fed, do they have health care, do they have water, if they do, leave them alone just because they don't have the same religion as us, doesn't make them any less human. Canada is a great country to live in, sure I pay taxes, but a least I have free health care, and I can find a job, get financial help when I need it, and have every opportunity to run my own business to help my countries economy. So guess what U.S., get with the program and start playing nice with the rest of the world, or we will turn this planet around and head right back home!!! LOL __________________ <center> <b>A good webmaster is a happy webmaster</b> </center>

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05-28-2003, 01:11 PM	#25
rodme_him Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 51	[QUOTE]Originally posted by gothweb [B] Again, the problem you are talking about is because of a handful of Canadian banks, not any US decisions. Visa and MC allow IPSPs, but Canadian banks do not. Sounds like Canada's fuckup, not anyone else's. As for who mad Mastercard or Visa in charge... All of the people who have decided to spend most of their money through those cards. As for who made the US in charge... Well, do you actually know who owns Visa and Mastercard? Global Headquarters 2000 Purchase Street, Purchase, NY 10577 U.S.A. Telephone: +1-914-249-2000 Looks like the US to me. How sure are you that they are US controlled companies. I am waiting... My guess is they answer to the US Politicians. [hoping you are a character or troll.] Neither infact, but I do admit I don't know everything about the business world and don't claim to. __________________ <center> <b>A good webmaster is a happy webmaster</b> </center>

05-28-2003, 01:17 PM	#26
gruffy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Canuckastan Posts: 776	Hmm, visa/mc owned by Americans? Quelle suprise. Great evidence to support your theory that most of the worlds economy is not controlled by America.