can a newbie start a paysite if he has alot of money? - GoFuckYourself.com

05-27-2003, 02:57 PM

a newbie comes to you and says...
(ehm, Im NOT that newbie)

I wanna make it big in the porn industry, I have 20 000$ to invest.

what do you answer (serious)?

boneprone · 05-27-2003, 02:58 PM

give me half and ill show you the path to journey.

boneprone · 05-27-2003, 02:59 PM

Oh yeah and bet on the Blazers.

Theo · 05-27-2003, 02:59 PM

he should save them for a porsche :-)

AOLGuy · 05-27-2003, 02:59 PM

for $20k you can create an empire if you spend it wisely.

I set myself up for less than half that, and could now do 10x more with that cash.

akfk at akfk.com

markell · 05-27-2003, 03:00 PM

write me a check for $18,000 and ill take care of everything for you

RedShoe · 05-27-2003, 03:01 PM

you say, give me the 20K, and I'll get you a paysite, and promo material and some traffic to get you going.

Hire a newbie designer at $800 for a tour, and members area.
Buy $5,000 in content from cheapest content provider.

Farm out some galleries, and banners.

Buy some cheap traffic.

Pocket the rest, and when he makes fewer sales than expected.. blame it on the Summer SlowDown.... Or whatever season it is.

EscortBiz · 05-27-2003, 03:02 PM

in this biz its really knowing what you are doing more then the cash, but again without cash you cant do shit

05-27-2003, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RedShoe
blame it on the Summer SlowDown.... Or whatever season it is.

I love it

EscortBiz · 05-27-2003, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RedShoe
you say, give me the 20K, and I'll get you a paysite, and promo material and some traffic to get you going.

Hire a newbie designer at $800 for a tour, and members area.
Buy $5,000 in content from cheapest content provider.

Farm out some galleries, and banners.

Buy some cheap traffic.

Pocket the rest, and when he makes fewer sales than expected.. blame it on the Summer SlowDown.... Or whatever season it is.

He can also blame it on the third party biller

scorpy · 05-27-2003, 03:03 PM

I guess it depends.
I had 2 clients a few months ago... one had $5000 to spend... the other one $1800... the second one makes a lot more money now than the first one. I guess advertising is the key as they pratically had similar sites. Just my 2 cents

NetRodent · 05-27-2003, 03:03 PM

A fool and his money are soon parted. Tell him to learn the ins and outs of the industry before he spend more than pocket change.

05-27-2003, 03:03 PM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz

He can also blame it on the third party biller

not as convincing

gothweb · 05-27-2003, 03:03 PM

A newbie can start a paysite with $1000, so of course he can start one with $20,000... but no amount of money guarantees success.

harvey · 05-27-2003, 03:05 PM

just wait a few days

John3 · 05-27-2003, 03:05 PM

I'd say give me 10,000 and we'll split the profits. But this "newbie" would have to agree not to get involved in any of the design or set-up.

RedShoe · 05-27-2003, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb
A newbie can start a paysite with $1000, so of course he can start one with $20,000... but no amount of money guarantees success.

Spoken like a true oldtimer.

05-27-2003, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb
A newbie can start a paysite with $1000, so of course he can start one with $20,000... but no amount of money guarantees success.

You are damm right !!!

Cindyff · 05-27-2003, 03:07 PM

If they aren't willing to work hard $20,000 or $2,000 wont make any difference.
--

Cindy xx

Pornkings · 05-27-2003, 03:08 PM

I've seen many companies come and go.
I've also seen a company Called Hanco lose 5 mil in 6 months in this biz.

But if you work hard and learn the biz you can make money its all about trust and relationships you build with people.

anything is Possible good luck

05-27-2003, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pornkings
I've seen many companies come and go.
I've also seen a company Called Hanco lose 5 mil in 6 months in this biz.

But if you work hard and learn the biz you can make money its all about trust and relationships you build with people.

anything is Possible good luck

holy fuck, how did they lose 5 mil?

stocktrader23 · 05-27-2003, 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by bdjuf

holy fuck, how did they lose 5 mil?

It was tragic. They invested it all in short UIN numbers right before some Russian hackers put thousands of stolen UIN's on the market. Damn shame.

05-27-2003, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23

It was tragic. They invested it all in short UIN numbers right before some Russian hackers put thousands of stolen UIN's on the market. Damn shame.

whoa, now THAT is a crazy story

quiet · 05-27-2003, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortBiz
in this biz its really knowing what you are doing more then the cash, but again without cash you cant do shit

bingo

Trolleater · 05-27-2003, 03:26 PM

everything has to be done right

Corleone · 05-27-2003, 03:28 PM

"never start with a paysite"

Mr. Jim · 05-27-2003, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pornkings
I've seen many companies come and go.
I've also seen a company Called Hanco lose 5 mil in 6 months

Ummm that may be the most infamous entry in the history of this biz

Rog werent you going to try and pick up that monster booth at the fire sale???

LeeNoga · 05-27-2003, 03:32 PM

Yup, don't start with a paysite, its all about traffic, if they can get traffic, use the 20K and start affiliate program....otherwise invest less than 10K and be a webmaster with a head start.

Unless of course, the paysite is draw name site with icon celeb porn stars that interact with the members :-)

Mr. Jim · 05-27-2003, 03:34 PM

Few people really know what the real story is.

It was less than 5 mil and the reasons were not that complicated.

Many critical errors in the planning phases and just plain old fashioned bad management.

Jer · 05-27-2003, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Corleone
"never start with a paysite"

FlyingIguana · 05-27-2003, 03:52 PM

start with free sites and avs sites first. don't even think about a paysite until at least 90 days. if you're still motivated to keep going and things are going well, then start planning for a paysite.

AmeliaG · 05-27-2003, 03:57 PM

$20,000 plus motivation plus a good idea really ought to equal a successful paysite. What I would advise would probably depend on how motivated I thought the person was and whether I thought they had a good idea for a paysite. With the right motivation and the right idea, you don't need $20k to launch, but, like the lady said . . . rich or poor, it's good to have money.

VirtuMike · 05-28-2003, 07:02 AM

"Why don't you give me half, we'll go out back, I'll kick you in the nuts, we'll call it a day."

- The inconceivable guy from Vegas Vacation

gothweb · 05-28-2003, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RedShoe

Spoken like a true oldtimer.

Which is funny since I started my first adult project in 2001, and it was an amateur site featuring my girlfriend. I am pretty sure that I am still a newbie.

hybrid · 05-28-2003, 07:10 AM

Why exactly do you guys all agree that an AVS site is "safer" than a paysite?

Are'nt they essentially the same thing?

Reak · 05-28-2003, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hybrid
Why exactly do you guys all agree that an AVS site is "safer" than a paysite?

Are'nt they essentially the same thing?

Members stay longer?

freeadultcontent · 05-28-2003, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NetRodent
A fool and his money are soon parted.

A fool and his money should not have gotten together in the first place.

AmeliaG · 05-28-2003, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hybrid
Why exactly do you guys all agree that an AVS site is "safer" than a paysite?

Are'nt they essentially the same thing?

I think you are right.

FlyingIguana · 05-28-2003, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AmeliaG

I think you are right.

they're hardly the same thing...

Pappa · 05-28-2003, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortBiz
in this biz its really knowing what you are doing more then the cash, but again without cash you cant do shit

second that

Qumbus · 05-28-2003, 09:43 AM

You can do alot, buy an adult turnkey site or something.

Pornwolf · 05-28-2003, 09:47 AM

An avs can cost 0 dollars. It can use less content. It rebills without you even having to try to appease members.

Paysites take work. AVS sites can too for some overachievers. But I think the real reason people should start with AVS is that the payout is the same as you would make on a new paysite. Sometimes the payout would be more... and all with less hassle and definitely less money.

A newb would learn what it takes to drive traffic (the most important part of the game), convert and appease members before making the paysite investment.

hybrid · 05-28-2003, 10:15 AM

Thanks, Pornwolf

05-27-2003, 02:57 PM	#1
buddyjuf Guest Posts: n/a	can a newbie start a paysite if he has alot of money? a newbie comes to you and says... (ehm, Im NOT that newbie) I wanna make it big in the porn industry, I have 20 000$ to invest. what do you answer (serious)? Last edited by buddyjuf; 05-27-2003 at 03:17 PM..

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scorpy Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 457	I guess it depends. I had 2 clients a few months ago... one had $5000 to spend... the other one $1800... the second one makes a lot more money now than the first one. I guess advertising is the key as they pratically had similar sites. Just my 2 cents

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NetRodent Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: In the walls of your house. Posts: 3,985	A fool and his money are soon parted. Tell him to learn the ins and outs of the industry before he spend more than pocket change. __________________ "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." --H.L. Mencken

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John3 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Austin Posts: 1,214	I'd say give me 10,000 and we'll split the profits. But this "newbie" would have to agree not to get involved in any of the design or set-up.

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Cindyff Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 1,187	If they aren't willing to work hard $20,000 or $2,000 wont make any difference. -- Cindy xx

05-27-2003, 03:08 PM	#20
Pornkings Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Roger V Posts: 5,334	I've seen many companies come and go. I've also seen a company Called Hanco lose 5 mil in 6 months in this biz. But if you work hard and learn the biz you can make money its all about trust and relationships you build with people. anything is Possible good luck __________________ Pornkings.com

05-27-2003, 03:26 PM	#25
Trolleater Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,441	everything has to be done right

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Corleone C.R.E.A.M Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,262	"never start with a paysite"

05-27-2003, 03:32 PM	#28
LeeNoga Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Egg & Sperm Mutation Posts: 3,043	Yup, don't start with a paysite, its all about traffic, if they can get traffic, use the 20K and start affiliate program....otherwise invest less than 10K and be a webmaster with a head start. Unless of course, the paysite is draw name site with icon celeb porn stars that interact with the members :-)

05-27-2003, 03:34 PM	#29
Mr. Jim Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,372	Few people really know what the real story is. It was less than 5 mil and the reasons were not that complicated. Many critical errors in the planning phases and just plain old fashioned bad management.

05-27-2003, 03:52 PM	#31
FlyingIguana aspiring banker Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: toronto Posts: 10,870	start with free sites and avs sites first. don't even think about a paysite until at least 90 days. if you're still motivated to keep going and things are going well, then start planning for a paysite.

05-27-2003, 03:57 PM	#32
AmeliaG Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,565	$20,000 plus motivation plus a good idea really ought to equal a successful paysite. What I would advise would probably depend on how motivated I thought the person was and whether I thought they had a good idea for a paysite. With the right motivation and the right idea, you don't need $20k to launch, but, like the lady said . . . rich or poor, it's good to have money. __________________ GFY Hall of Famer AltStar Hall of Famer Blue Blood's SpookyCash.com Babe photography portfolio

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hybrid So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Backseat of a Ford Escort Hatchback Posts: 3,253	Why exactly do you guys all agree that an AVS site is "safer" than a paysite? Are'nt they essentially the same thing?

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Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	An avs can cost 0 dollars. It can use less content. It rebills without you even having to try to appease members. Paysites take work. AVS sites can too for some overachievers. But I think the real reason people should start with AVS is that the payout is the same as you would make on a new paysite. Sometimes the payout would be more... and all with less hassle and definitely less money. A newb would learn what it takes to drive traffic (the most important part of the game), convert and appease members before making the paysite investment. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

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