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sawaporn 04-12-2024 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sec (Post 23253300)
Wise doesn't allow adult content such as pornography, so Wise may terminate your Wise account if you receive payments to it from CCBill.

If you read their terms and conditions, you'll be shocked. Not only is porn prohibited, but also crypto gambling and pharmacies. Why are they even needed then?

Tagir 04-13-2024 05:11 AM

As far as I know, Ccbill itself will not make payments to Wise.

Tagir 04-13-2024 05:12 AM

I have started gradually replacing Ccbill links because there is no point in expecting payments from Ccbill anymore((( I'm shocked by how many dead sites there are((( Half are dead, and the other half that are alive deceive webmasters because the join page doesn’t even offer Ccbill as an option! Where it is available, it just redirects to Epoch and other billings! Webmasters earn nothing from this! Just scammers! Many here wrote that billings are set up in a cascade, but in my experience, I haven’t seen any sales from such sites, whoever does this, it's all lies! In general, if you think about it, only 15-20% of live sites actually have a real Ccbill on the join page!

My advice to those who continue to sell sites on Ccbill, check the join pages, you'll be surprised how many site owners are deceiving you!

Tagir 04-13-2024 05:23 AM

Yes, I also forgot to mention, 3% of sites now have crypto payments on the join page, and you won't receive anything from those either.

redwhiteandblue 04-13-2024 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tagir (Post 23253434)
I have started gradually replacing Ccbill links because there is no point in expecting payments from Ccbill anymore

There are two possibilities, either:

1. CCBill are going to continue to support the affiliate business model and therefore will find a solution to paying non-US affiliates at some point, or

2. CCBill are going to drop affiliate support and therefore as a non-US affiliate you should replace your CCBill sponsors now.

For me CCBill income is only a small part of my business now so it would be a loss but only a small one. Shame, back in the day CCBill was about 40% of my income, banking their checks every week along with Epoch, Nasty Dollars, RR Processing, WebmasterChecks (remember them?) and one or two others.

Sec 04-13-2024 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue (Post 23253440)
There are two possibilities, either:

1. CCBill are going to continue to support the affiliate business model and therefore will find a solution to paying non-US affiliates at some point, or

2. CCBill are going to drop affiliate support and therefore as a non-US affiliate you should replace your CCBill sponsors now.

Two more options:
3. Find a EU bank that supports cheque deposits and porn as business, if available.

4. Find a bank in the US that allows EU foreigners to create a US bank account and accepts porn as business, if available.

jamezon 04-14-2024 07:54 AM

can anyone else from the euro gang in here confirm this ? i have no info from ccbill and no info in their panel about this sepa thing

femdomdestiny 04-14-2024 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamezon (Post 23253721)
can anyone else from the euro gang in here confirm this ? i have no info from ccbill and no info in their panel about this sepa thing

That's the problem. They didn't say, you will find out once you can't get your money. Which exactly is happening to me right now.

geirlur 04-14-2024 11:24 AM

Are you guys able to view your account profile at ccbill? ( https://admin.ccbill.com/megamenus/c...AccountProfile) )
I just get a 404 page, it's been like that forever I think.. xD

femdomdestiny 04-14-2024 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geirlur (Post 23253780)
Are you guys able to view your account profile at ccbill? ( https://admin.ccbill.com/megamenus/c...AccountProfile) )
I just get a 404 page, it's been like that forever I think.. xD

yes, I can see it, no 404

Sec 04-14-2024 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamezon (Post 23253721)
can anyone else from the euro gang in here confirm this ? i have no info from ccbill and no info in their panel about this sepa thing

There is no formal announcement about CCBill stopping with SEPA. They did announce SEPA by email in July 2017:
Quote:

News from CCBill:

CCBill is excited to announce the release of a new payout option for
European merchants and affiliates: Payouts in euros via the Single Euro
Payments Area (SEPA) network. Now, our growing merchants and affiliates
can receive fast, secure bank transfers in their local euro currency
and save on added currency fees imposed by their banks.

CCBill is adding SEPA Payouts to its portfolio of easy payment delivery
options as another automated and dependable way for its network of
account holders to receive their settlements. SEPA Payouts provide a
direct deposit of merchant or affiliate funds directly into their
accounts at a SEPA network bank. SEPA Payouts helps CCBill merchants
and affiliates avoid some of the recent banking network challenges with
international wires as well as save on both wire fees and on the cost
of converting dollars into euros through an EU bank.

SEPA Payouts details:
• Available with payouts starting 10 July 2017
• Available to any merchant or affiliate with a euro-denominated
account at a bank in the SEPA network
• Minimum Amount for Payout: $50.00 USD (before conversion to euros)
• No Maximum Amount for Payout

SPECIAL INTRODUCTORY OFFER: To show how excited we are about this new
option, for those who select the SEPA Payout option during the month of
July 2017, we are offering a special introductory rate of $10.00 per
payout* -- a 66% discount off the international wire fee and 33% off
the regular SEPA fee. If you sign up for SEPA payouts during July 2017,
you will continue to receive this rate even after the introductory
period is over.

To make the switch to SEPA and begin receiving money in euros,
merchants and affiliates can contact Merchant Support via email at
[email protected] or call +1.800.510.2359 or the phone number
for your country to start the process.

To learn more about our other payout options, visit the Payouts area of
the CCBill Merchant Knowledge Base.

Thank you,
CCBill
It is also listed in https ://ccbill.com/doc/affiliate-faqs#ftoc-heading-35

But they simply stopped sending non-US SEPA and wire payments.
When you contact them they say that SEPA is not available anymore for affiliates, only:
ACH (US only)
FedEx (assumingly cheques send via FedEx)
US Postal Mail
International Postal Mail

Sec 04-14-2024 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geirlur (Post 23253780)
Are you guys able to view your account profile at ccbill? ( https ://admin.ccbill.com/megamenus/ccbillHome.html#AffiliateActions/AccountProfile(AffiliateAccountProfile )
I just get a 404 page, it's been like that forever I think.. xD

I cannot post links (cannot even normally quote your post), because I don't have more than 30 posts yet, but your URL is wrong. You need to include the ending parenthesis after "AffiliateAccountProfile". But it doesn't give a 404, it just shows the main affiliate home instead of an acount page. So the "AffiliateAccountProfile" doesn't seem to exist, but because it's an URI hash fragment, you usually don't get a regular HTTP 404 response.

femdomdestiny 04-14-2024 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sec (Post 23253802)
There is no formal announcement about CCBill stopping with SEPA. They did announce SEPA by email in July 2017:

It is also listed in https ://ccbill.com/doc/affiliate-faqs#ftoc-heading-35

But they simply stopped sending non-US SEPA and wire payments.
When you contact them they say that SEPA is not available anymore for affiliates, only:
ACH (US only)
FedEx (assumingly cheques send via FedEx)
US Postal Mail
International Postal Mail

How do those checks even work? I've got the last one 10 years ago or so, and it was a complete mess. waiting 45 days to get money, wondering will it be lost somewhere along the way, once in bank employees are scanning you like you are trying to do something illegal,etc

Pornopat 04-14-2024 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sec (Post 23253500)
Two more options:
3. Find a EU bank that supports cheque deposits and porn as business, if available.

4. Find a bank in the US that allows EU foreigners to create a US bank account and accepts porn as business, if available.

Ccbill-> paxum,masspay?

Dibar 04-14-2024 07:52 PM

Countries that are no longer accepting checks:


Austria
Belarus
Czech Republic
Germany
Hungary
Latvia
Portugal
Romania
Slovakia
Slovenia
Switzerland
Ukraine
Russia
Australia
Finland
Sweden
South Africa
Norway
Netherlands
New Zealand
and other countries

Source: google "countries which no longer accept paper checks"

Pornopat 04-14-2024 11:18 PM

Paxum :
Kindly be advised that we do not have any information about this topic.

You can continue adding funds to your personal Paxum account from your personal bank account via a SEPA / WIRE transfer in EUR (not USD or GBP).

sawaporn 04-15-2024 03:13 AM

Does anyone know how to open an account in an American bank without a SSN if you are a resident of a European country?
because it's fucked up how long will it take to cash out

Retiree 04-15-2024 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sawaporn (Post 23253956)
Does anyone know how to open an account in an American bank without a SSN if you are a resident of a European country?
because it's fucked up how long will it take to cash out

Probably need a company/lawyer to do it online, but when doing it in person, its easy, I just walked in with a passport to a NYC bank and they opened an account for me. I was just like a tourist there, no residence whatsoever.

Pornopat 04-15-2024 09:08 PM

You received 4,730.46 USD from CCBILL LLC
Wise.com
🥳

Major (Tom) 04-15-2024 10:07 PM

Ccbill is a good company.

Tagir 04-16-2024 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornopat (Post 23254204)
You received 4,730.46 USD from CCBILL LLC
Wise.com
🥳

Wise, like PayPal, can block account at any time(

geirlur 04-16-2024 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornopat (Post 23254204)
You received 4,730.46 USD from CCBILL LLC
Wise.com
🥳

Did you get paid to a personal or a business account?
Wise has denied me payment from another sponsor to the personal account, and ccbill says they won't pay to a company, the account has to be in my name :helpme

Pornopat 04-16-2024 02:54 PM

personal

Retiree 04-18-2024 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sec (Post 23253500)
Two more options:
3. Find a EU bank that supports cheque deposits and porn as business, if available.

Porn is not an issue in Europe, every bank is fine with it. Back in the day, every bank did cash US checks, too...not sure how it is now.

BigFurry 04-18-2024 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retiree (Post 23255033)
Porn is not an issue in Europe, every bank is fine with it. Back in the day, every bank did cash US checks, too...not sure how it is now.

This is false, if you tell your bank in Europe that you do porn there's a chance they'll close your account. It is random.

And almost no banks in Europe cash checks now.

SpicyM 04-18-2024 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 23255036)
This is false, if you tell your bank in Europe that you do porn there's a chance they'll close your account. It is random.

And almost no banks in Europe cash checks now.

My bank has never questioned me about the funds I get to my personal account, that's not their business as long as the money is legal.

BigFurry 04-18-2024 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpicyM (Post 23255044)
My bank has never questioned me about the funds I get to my personal account, that's not their business as long as the money is legal.

You've been lucky, but it's not guaranteed that it will stay that way.

They can absolutely ask about the nature of your transactions anytime, and they're free to decide whether they want to do business with you, even if everything you do is legal. There are porn companies that had to switch banks multiple times in Europe. There are also banks in Europe blocking incoming transfers from company names which have been flagged for porn.

I'm not saying it's right, but that's how it is.

It also depends on the transaction volume. It's easy to fly under the radar with a small amount, but if you're doing a lot of international transactions, you can get more attention.

The situation is not horrible, all I'm saying is that banks generally do not like porn (the bank clerk might, but the risk management doesn't), so it's not worth talking about it if you don't need to.

redwhiteandblue 04-18-2024 04:39 AM

Never had the bank query any of the payments I've received, cheque or otherwise.

Until last year, that is.

I got a phone call from someone at Barclays International Payments asking me what this transaction was for. It was from Payserve. I've been getting regular payments from Payserve in exactly the same way since 2007, but for some reason the bank decided to query it this time. After two phone calls during which I explained what it was for whilst giving as little away as possible, they decided it was probably okay and the payment went through two days later.

What triggered that I do not know, it was probably random as you say.

femdomdestiny 04-18-2024 04:42 AM

Why would anyone block payment if everything is legal? That's insane. I've never had a problem.

Retiree 04-18-2024 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 23255036)
This is false, if you tell your bank in Europe that you do porn there's a chance they'll close your account. It is random.

And almost no banks in Europe cash checks now.

Where in Europe are you?

SpicyM 04-18-2024 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 23255045)
You've been lucky, but it's not guaranteed that it will stay that way.

They can absolutely ask about the nature of your transactions anytime, and they're free to decide whether they want to do business with you, even if everything you do is legal. There are porn companies that had to switch banks multiple times in Europe. There are also banks in Europe blocking incoming transfers from company names which have been flagged for porn.

I'm not saying it's right, but that's how it is.

It also depends on the transaction volume. It's easy to fly under the radar with a small amount, but if you're doing a lot of international transactions, you can get more attention.

The situation is not horrible, all I'm saying is that banks generally do not like porn (the bank clerk might, but the risk management doesn't), so it's not worth talking about it if you don't need to.


Depends on the bank and the agreement. They sure can question any payment, but not because of porn - the reason would be anti-money laundering laws, anti-terrorist laws, economic sanctions etc.

I have a loan from my bank and the account is mandatory, I can't see them blocking it, they would prevent me from paying the loan. :1orglaugh They could refuse to accept a payment and ask questions - in that case I would tell them the truth: I do internet marketing and that's a payment for my work.

The Porn Nerd 04-18-2024 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 23255045)
You've been lucky, but it's not guaranteed that it will stay that way.

They can absolutely ask about the nature of your transactions anytime, and they're free to decide whether they want to do business with you, even if everything you do is legal. There are porn companies that had to switch banks multiple times in Europe. There are also banks in Europe blocking incoming transfers from company names which have been flagged for porn.

I'm not saying it's right, but that's how it is.

It also depends on the transaction volume. It's easy to fly under the radar with a small amount, but if you're doing a lot of international transactions, you can get more attention.

The situation is not horrible, all I'm saying is that banks generally do not like porn (the bank clerk might, but the risk management doesn't), so it's not worth talking about it if you don't need to.

A big key when it comes to banking and porn is to do the following:

1. Name your company something mainstream generic, like InternetMarketing LLC.
2. Create a mainstream company site that has zero mention of Adult. Populate it with internet marketing and SEO terms to make it more legit.
3. Make sure your payouts are listed under your generic company name NOT your personal name.

These steps help greatly but if you are receiving funds from companies that do not follow these simple guidelines then you could be flagged so do your due diligence and make sure every company that pays you does so in your generic company name.

:thumbsup

Tagir 04-18-2024 08:16 PM

I can’t log into the admin panel(((( rip?

Retiree 04-19-2024 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tagir (Post 23255268)
I can’t log into the admin panel(((( rip?

Works fine for me.

Tagir 04-19-2024 12:31 AM

Yes, it works now! Unfortunately, CCbill is no longer reliable! Maybe they want to follow in the footsteps of the Epoch(((

The Porn Nerd 04-19-2024 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tagir (Post 23255268)
I can’t log into the admin panel(((( rip?

Not working again. Getting error message. :(

Retiree 04-19-2024 07:03 AM

Would be nice if someone from CCBill would post here to explain all the latest issues.

Sec 04-19-2024 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retiree (Post 23255033)
Porn is not an issue in Europe, every bank is fine with it. Back in the day, every bank did cash US checks, too...not sure how it is now.

Like BigFurry said, this is incorrect. Just read the terms.
Checks in Europe are outdated. A lot (if not almost all) European banks don't accept checks anymore.

About porn and banking:
Take for example fintech bank N26 located in Germany.
ww w. revolut . com/legal/business-terms/
Quote:

The following activities are prohibited business activities: Dating, escort, pornographic or other adult entertainment;
Or Wise, already mentioned here. (Not real bank, but a financial service that allows you to open accounts similar to a bank account.)
wise . com/acceptable-use-policy-eea
Quote:

1.2.1 Regulated or illegal products and services

Adult content.
Pornography and other visual content depicting explicitly sexual acts.
Services of sexual nature (webcam shows, live chats, prostitution, escorts, etc).
Sexually oriented establishments (massage parlors, strip clubs, gentleman’s clubs).

They probably won't close your account immediately, but it may be a matter of time and luck. But you could dispute that you don't provide pornography as a product or service, but you are just providing affiliate marketing services in which your customer (sponsor) may use pornography as content.
But fortunately, there are also banks that do accept porn. Checks and getting a USD bank account are the real issue in this big European CCBill problem.

TBFS 04-19-2024 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sec (Post 23255388)
Like BigFurry said, this is incorrect. Just read the terms.
Checks in Europe are outdated. A lot (if not almost all) European banks don't accept checks anymore.

About porn and banking:
Take for example fintech bank N26 located in Germany.
ww w. revolut . com/legal/business-terms/


Or Wise, already mentioned here. (Not real bank, but a financial service that allows you to open accounts similar to a bank account.)
wise . com/acceptable-use-policy-eea



They probably won't close your account immediately, but it may be a matter of time and luck. But you could dispute that you don't provide pornography as a product or service, but you are just providing affiliate marketing services in which your customer (sponsor) may use pornography as content.
But fortunately, there are also banks that do accept porn. Checks and getting a USD bank account are the real issue in this big European CCBill problem.



I would say the main issue is 1 step further (short quote from their support)
"payees can no longer be companies."

Several options for an account accepting ACH (like wise), but even when providing all documentations.
Full ID on the UBO etc. they just refuse to pay to a company account and will only pay to a personal account.
And while its not hard to set that up, receiving company funds on a personal account is a no-go for most company types

Sec 04-19-2024 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TBFS (Post 23255446)
I would say the main issue is 1 step further (short quote from their support)
"payees can no longer be companies."

Several options for an account accepting ACH (like wise), but even when providing all documentations.
Full ID on the UBO etc. they just refuse to pay to a company account and will only pay to a personal account.
And while its not hard to set that up, receiving company funds on a personal account is a no-go for most company types

Maybe they have a KYC banking problem? KYC for companies is more difficult than for individuals. Maybe also tax?

I also wonder why their affiliate system is heavily outdated, especially security is poor from start to finish. Which makes you think that they don't want to invest any further in it, but I hope that the problem is temporary.

femdomdestiny 04-19-2024 11:59 AM

OK, is there a fucking solution to this mess? Which bank or service in Europe will accept ACH?

When I ask CCbill to give me a recommendation, they are saying they don't know. There must be many webmasters and someone found a way for the simplest thing, getting their own money.

femdomdestiny 04-19-2024 12:58 PM

Fucking idiots....can someone explain what happened with this company that was reliable for decades?

"DHI and FedEx are not options for our accounting team.

In the scenario your payouts are sent via mailed checks, this is handled by local postal services.

Please let us know if you have any questions or concerns. "

Retiree 04-19-2024 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sec (Post 23255388)
About porn and banking:
Take for example fintech bank N26 located in Germany.
ww w. revolut . com/legal/business-terms/


Or Wise, already mentioned here. (Not real bank, but a financial service that allows you to open accounts similar to a bank account.)

Ok, but Revolut and Wise are not real banks, just online banks. I meant real old school banks...I have yet to see one in Europe that has a problem with porn.


And as for checks, they are surely outdated, last one I cashed in EU was a very long time ago...but hey, they are coming from a country that still measures distance in feet length. 🤣

The Porn Nerd 04-19-2024 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retiree (Post 23255508)
.but hey, they are coming from a country that still measures distance in feet length. ��

Hey this American measures his penis in centimeters so it appears bigger.

15 baby!! :1orglaugh

Retiree 04-20-2024 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 23255510)
Hey this American measures his penis in centimeters so it appears bigger.

15 baby!! :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

sawaporn 04-20-2024 06:55 AM

Maybe affiliates from Europe who have sales through CCBIL need to unite - maybe write a collective email to affiliate programms on CCBIL asking them to resolve the issue? Perhaps if they are interested in sales, they will find a solution.
For myself, I see only one way out - to remove their links from all projects and direct traffic to those sites that NOT work through CCBIL

femdomdestiny 04-20-2024 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sawaporn (Post 23255709)
Maybe affiliates from Europe who have sales through CCBIL need to unite - maybe write a collective email to affiliate programms on CCBIL asking them to resolve the issue? Perhaps if they are interested in sales, they will find a solution.
For myself, I see only one way out - to remove their links from all projects and direct traffic to those sites that NOT work through CCBIL

yes, maybe this is what they want exactly. To remove small webmasters and don't bother with them anymore? Because what's the logical explanation for disabling such a basic thing as wire/sepa?

The Porn Nerd 04-20-2024 05:03 PM

We program owners used to have a CCBill rep assigned to us. Mine was PaulK. But since his departure a few have come and gone and now I have no idea if I even have one. If I DID (or do) then I would (will) contact him Monday to see if I can get some answers.

Contacting support and asking them what's up is pointless.

Tagir 04-21-2024 03:03 AM

Everything is very strange, they just stopped the payments, no announcements were made, nothing at all((((

galgo 04-21-2024 06:16 AM

You can get ACH payments with Wise (from anywhere)


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