Rambo-style 'rescue' of Pvt. Lynch seems mostly hype by the Pentagon

[hybrid]

LOS ANGELES - The British Broadcasting Corp., after a thorough investigation, has presented a shocking dissection of the "heroic" rescue of Pvt. Jessica Lynch as reported by the U.S. military and breathless American media.

"Her story is one of the most stunning pieces of news management ever conceived," the BBC concluded - the polite British way of saying "liar, liar, pants on fire."

Though the Bush administration's shamelessly trumped-up claims about Iraq's alleged ties to al-Qaida and 9/11 and its weapons of mass destruction take the cake for deceitful propaganda, the sad case of Lynch's exploitation at the hands of military spinners illustrates that the truth once again was a casualty of war.

Sadly, almost nothing fed to reporters about either Lynch's original capture by Iraqi forces or her "rescue" by U.S. forces turns out to be true.

Consider the April 3 Washington Post story on her capture headlined "She Was Fighting to the Death." It reported, based on unnamed military sources, that Lynch "continued firing at the Iraqis even after she sustained multiple gunshot wounds." She was also stabbed when Iraqi forces closed in, according to the article.

It has since emerged that Lynch was neither shot nor stabbed but rather suffered accident injuries when her vehicle overturned. A medical checkup by U.S. doctors confirmed the account of the Iraqi doctors, who said they had carefully tended her injuries, a broken arm and thigh and a dislocated ankle, in contrast to U.S. media reports that Iraqi doctors had ignored Lynch.

Another report spread by news organizations nationwide claimed Lynch was slapped by an Iraqi security guard. The U.S. military later insisted that an Iraqi lawyer witnessed this incident and informed them of Lynch's whereabouts. The lawyer's credibility as a source, however, is difficult to verify because he and his family were whisked to the United States, where he was immediately granted political asylum and has refused all interview requests.

But where the manipulation of this saga really gets ugly is in the premeditated manufacture of the rescue itself, which stains those who have performed real acts of bravery, whether in war or peacetime.

Eight days after her capture, American media trumpeted the military's story that Lynch had been saved by Special Forces that stormed the hospital and, in the face of heavy hostile fire, managed to scoop her up and helicopter her out.

However, according to the BBC, which interviewed the hospital's staff, the truth appears to be that not only had Iraqi forces abandoned the area before the rescue effort but also that the hospital's staff had informed the United States of this and made arrangements two days before the raid to turn Lynch over to the Americans.

"We were surprised," Dr. Anmar Uday told the BBC about the supposed rescue. "There was no military, there were no soldiers in the hospital. It was like a Hollywood film. (The U.S. forces) cried 'Go, go, go,' with guns and blanks without bullets, blanks and the sound of explosions. They made a show for the American attack on the hospital - (like) action movies (starring) Sylvester Stallone or Jackie Chan."

The footage from the raid, shot not by journalists but by soldiers with night-vision cameras, was fed in real time to the central command in Qatar. The video was artfully edited by the Pentagon and released as proof that a battle to free Lynch had occurred when it had not.

This fabrication has already been celebrated by an A&E special and will soon be an NBC movie. The Lynch rescue story - a made-for-TV bit of official propaganda - will probably survive as the war's most heroic moment, despite proving as fictitious as the stated rationales for the invasion itself.

If the movies, books and other renditions of "saving Private Lynch" were to be honestly presented, it would expose this caper as an egregious lie marketed to us by the Bush administration.


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[Ironhorse]

A modern day Joan of Arc if you will. Whatever happened to her anyway? She never made an apperance of any kind, just sort of blended back into obscurity..

[twistyneck]

I hate to burst your bubble but the BBC can hardly be considered reputable.

[Gutterboy]

Originally posted by twistyneck
I hate to burst your bubble but the BBC can hardly be considered reputable.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by twistyneck
I hate to burst your bubble but the BBC can hardly be considered reputable.

MOW ( movie Of the Week) in the making.... Open your eyes... a whole real world existd outside of the military propaganda....

BBC not reputable??? Fox or CNN are ???

[twistyneck]

Originally posted by directfiesta




MOW ( movie Of the Week) in the making.... Open your eyes... a whole real world existd outside of the military propaganda....

BBC not reputable??? Fox or CNN are ???

You must be a terrorist.

[theking]

The BBS story has already been discredited. It is ridiculous to believe that blanks were used...in a war zone...as Special Operation Forces use live rounds even in training exercises.

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by theking
The BBS story has already been discredited. It is ridiculous to believe that blanks were used...in a war zone...as Special Operation Forces use live rounds even in training exercises.

Where are the facts or interviews that disprove the BBC story?

The only thing that "disproves" the BBC story, from what I've seen, is a few statements from the White House denying that they were lying about this, as they have done about so many other things. Do you expect Bush to admit he was caught lying?

I know theking takes everything that comes from the White House as the word of God, but most people in the world do not.

[hybrid]

Where's massivecock when u need him?

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by theking
The BBS story has already been discredited. It is ridiculous to believe that blanks were used...in a war zone...as Special Operation Forces use live rounds even in training exercises.

The blindness of some people.

Let's assume the BBC are lying, why, what is the motive?

The journalist there have an integrity that has made it a trusted news source for years. Also there are so many anti establishments news medias in the UK that it would have got out if they tried to stp it.

Let's assume the The White House is lying, why, what is the motive?

Not really a serious question but the answer is spin, propaganda. CNN and Fax are owned by who? Whe are friends with who?

The live rounds question.
Imagine the decision. To send the boys into a hospital where there are no soldiers with live rounds and the possibility of shooting patients or blanks and still get the film with impressive sounds?

[SABAI]

Originally posted by twistyneck
I hate to burst your bubble but the BBC can hardly be considered reputable.

I hate to burst your bubble but the bush administration at the white house can hardly be considered reputable.

he's the biggest "legit" terrorist of all times.
he killed more innocent people in iraq that the collapse of the twin towers did, not counting military casualties.

bush should be hanged by the balls.

when will america get a new president with at least half a brain?

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by SABAI


when will america get a new president with at least half a brain?

when 90% of the population is unmercifully put out of their misery.

[donnie]

This is old news. Here in europe (sweden) this story has been out ever sence the "rescue". And reported by couple of independet newspapers in sweden only. Media don't tell you much in USA do they? They are telling you lies from president down to media reporters and you call USA a free country!!

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by donnie
They are telling you lies from president down to media reporters and you call USA a free country!!

" Presidents don't lie " Richard Nixon
" I didn't have sexual relations...." Bill Clinton

This was all fabricated by the foreign press that are jealous of the US... :They also want their terror alert codes...

LOL

[hybrid]

when 90% of the population is unmercifully put out of their misery.

yes!

"The only way to fix it is to flush it all away."

[Jimmer]

Maybe this has something tto do with the website being registered before her rescue. I'm to lazy to locate that thread.

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by SABAI

when will america get a new president with at least half a brain?

The last one that had half a brain also had a whole dick. Most of the time inside someone elses pants.

But who knows maybe Americans will be given the chance next time to vote for an honest, intelligent man. But I think they got more chance of finding weapons of mass destruction then finding that kind of President.

[theking]

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


Where are the facts or interviews that disprove the BBC story?

The only thing that "disproves" the BBC story, from what I've seen, is a few statements from the White House denying that they were lying about this, as they have done about so many other things. Do you expect Bush to admit he was caught lying?

I know theking takes everything that comes from the White House as the word of God, but most people in the world do not.

There have been several rebuttals of the story on different TV news outlets by people that personally know and have spoken with some of the people on the operation.

In addition there were to many people on the operation of various ranks that would, or will, let the lie out if it were to be a lie, so it would be the height of stupidity to fake a raid.

FYI I take everything that comes out of the White House and the media with a grain of salt and have stated the same multiple times.

[theking]

Originally posted by charly
The blindness of some people.

Let's assume the BBC are lying, why, what is the motive?

The journalist there have an integrity that has made it a trusted news source for years. Also there are so many anti establishments news medias in the UK that it would have got out if they tried to stp it.

Let's assume the The White House is lying, why, what is the motive?

Not really a serious question but the answer is spin, propaganda. CNN and Fax are owned by who? Whe are friends with who?

The live rounds question.
Imagine the decision. To send the boys into a hospital where there are no soldiers with live rounds and the possibility of shooting patients or blanks and still get the film with impressive sounds?

It is fucking laughable that they would be armed with blanks. Special Operation Forces even train with live rounds. You "fight like you train" is a military axiom.

You don't have much of a clue about any fucking thing except your photograhy...and certainly do not have a clue about the military and more specifically you don't have a clue about Special Operation Forces...but then again most civilians don't.

[Paul Markham]

OK Mr Bush and his PR people are telling the truth and the BBC are lying.

Happy now?

[playa]

This story could be possible until i read the below.
Trying to convince soldiers to go out on a real world
rescue mission with blanks.

oh wait they used hollywood actors,, lol

[B]
"We were surprised," Dr. Anmar Uday told the BBC about the supposed rescue. "There was no military, there were no soldiers in the hospital. It was like a Hollywood film. (The U.S. forces) cried 'Go, go, go,' with guns and blanks without bullets, blanks and the sound of explosions. They made a show for the American attack on the hospital - (like) action movies (starring) Sylvester Stallone or Jackie Chan."

[theking]

Originally posted by hybrid
LOS ANGELES - The British Broadcasting Corp., after a thorough investigation, has presented a shocking dissection of the "heroic" rescue of Pvt. Jessica Lynch as reported by the U.S. military and breathless American media.

"Her story is one of the most stunning pieces of news management ever conceived," the BBC concluded - the polite British way of saying "liar, liar, pants on fire."

Though the Bush administration's shamelessly trumped-up claims about Iraq's alleged ties to al-Qaida and 9/11 and its weapons of mass destruction take the cake for deceitful propaganda, the sad case of Lynch's exploitation at the hands of military spinners illustrates that the truth once again was a casualty of war.

Sadly, almost nothing fed to reporters about either Lynch's original capture by Iraqi forces or her "rescue" by U.S. forces turns out to be true.

Sadly the media...as usual...played the story up and put out misinformation...just as the BBC has with this story.

Consider the April 3 Washington Post story on her capture headlined "She Was Fighting to the Death." It reported, based on unnamed military sources, that Lynch "continued firing at the Iraqis even after she sustained multiple gunshot wounds." She was also stabbed when Iraqi forces closed in, according to the article.

A media report and an early report. It is not at all uncommon for the media to get initial reports wrong (quoting sources).

It has since emerged that Lynch was neither shot nor stabbed but rather suffered accident injuries when her vehicle overturned. A medical checkup by U.S. doctors confirmed the account of the Iraqi doctors, who said they had carefully tended her injuries, a broken arm and thigh and a dislocated ankle, in contrast to U.S. media reports that Iraqi doctors had ignored Lynch.

It also has since been reported by her doctors that there initial analyisis was wrong and that she indeed had been shot. That is the last report that I heard on the matter.

Another report spread by news organizations nationwide claimed Lynch was slapped by an Iraqi security guard. The U.S. military later insisted that an Iraqi lawyer witnessed this incident and informed them of Lynch's whereabouts. The lawyer's credibility as a source, however, is difficult to verify because he and his family were whisked to the United States, where he was immediately granted political asylum and has refused all interview requests.

The person in question is indeed in the United States.

But where the manipulation of this saga really gets ugly is in the premeditated manufacture of the rescue itself, which stains those who have performed real acts of bravery, whether in war or peacetime.

Eight days after her capture, American media trumpeted the military's story that Lynch had been saved by Special Forces that stormed the hospital and, in the face of heavy hostile fire, managed to scoop her up and helicopter her out.

Once again an American media report...not an official report by the military.

However, according to the BBC, which interviewed the hospital's staff, the truth appears to be that not only had Iraqi forces abandoned the area before the rescue effort but also that the hospital's staff had informed the United States of this and made arrangements two days before the raid to turn Lynch over to the Americans.

"We were surprised," Dr. Anmar Uday told the BBC about the supposed rescue. "There was no military, there were no soldiers in the hospital. It was like a Hollywood film. (The U.S. forces) cried 'Go, go, go,' with guns and blanks without bullets, blanks and the sound of explosions. They made a show for the American attack on the hospital - (like) action movies (starring) Sylvester Stallone or Jackie Chan."

It is SOP to do "Recon by Fire" or to lay a "field of cover fire" when inserting troops into what could be a hostile area. They certainly would not take the word of any Iraqi that the LZ or AO was safe. Live rounds would have certainly been used and it is laughable to think otherwise.

The footage from the raid, shot not by journalists but by soldiers with night-vision cameras, was fed in real time to the central command in Qatar. The video was artfully edited by the Pentagon and released as proof that a battle to free Lynch had occurred when it had not.

The military has, and always has had, its own Combat Photographers and reporters. Was the film edited...more than likely...was it edited to place the "best light" on the story...more than likely and certainly not anything unusual in that.

Bottom line...it was a real combat operation...using Standard Operating Procedures for the conduct of the operation.

[directfiesta]

You really don't get it. If they knew it was not as " glamorous" as the "embedded" US journalists described it, why didn't the gov issue an official press release about the truth ...

Same with the crew that was "rescued" in northen Iraq... Weren't rescued, iraq army had left them on their own...
You should now, as a great military brain< what RESCUE means and implies....

These fairy tales were just to distract and make " feel good" the US citizens... a bit like those famous WMD....

[theking]

Originally posted by directfiesta




MOW ( movie Of the Week) in the making.... Open your eyes... a whole real world existd outside of the military propaganda....

BBC not reputable??? Fox or CNN are ???

Did you mean to say media propaganda/hype?

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by theking


Did you mean to say media propaganda/hype?

We can expect that from media: they just want to get ratings...

But the Lynch story was not a overblown event ( such as the bullet that supposively had hit the helmet of a marine ) by the media, but a " make beleive" operation of the US army and their commander in chief.... then fed to the media....

[theking]

Originally posted by directfiesta
You really don't get it. If they knew it was not as " glamorous" as the "embedded" US journalists described it, why didn't the gov issue an official press release about the truth ...

Same with the crew that was "rescued" in northen Iraq... Weren't rescued, iraq army had left them on their own...
You should now, as a great military brain< what RESCUE means and implies....

These fairy tales were just to distract and make " feel good" the US citizens... a bit like those famous WMD....

The military did a press release about the truth of the operation and as I recall it was not overly glamourized. They did use terms like hero...heroic etc., but the fact of the matter is that any operation carried out in a combat zone is heroic by its very nature. People are in harms way and not just from enemy combatants.

It was the fucking media that played the story based upon "sources". I know what "RESCUE" means and implies when used by the military. It is fucking civilians and civilian press than do not know what "RESCUE' means when used in a military sense. Basically when any MIA or POW is recovered it is deemed a rescue and it is factually a rescue. In example if a pilot bails out over the desert...even though there may not be an enemy combatant within a hundred miles...his extraction is a "rescue". A soldier ends up MIA during an operation and is recovered...it is deemed a rescue when he is located and extracted. It is the press that glamourizes and turns truth into misinformation.

[theking]

Originally posted by directfiesta


We can expect that from media: they just want to get ratings...

But the Lynch story was not a overblown event ( such as the bullet that supposively had hit the helmet of a marine ) by the media, but a " make beleive" operation of the US army and their commander in chief.... then fed to the media....

It was not a "make believe" operation. It was a "rescue operation" designed to recover a MIA/POW, carried out with real Combat Forces, in a Combat Zone...and was conducted as is SOP. Nothing fucking "make believe" about it.

[RobertD]

Pvt Lynch was not shot or stabbed.
The docs had placed her in the best room in the hospital, found the best bed in the hospital, and given her the best care they could give.
All hostile Iraqis had fled the hospital the previous day.
The Docs were happy to get her someplace where she could recieve the care she needed.

The military could just as easily have sent a taxi to pick her up.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by theking


The military did a press release about the truth of the operation and as I recall it was not overly glamourized. They did use terms like hero...heroic etc., but the fact of the matter is that any operation carried out in a combat zone is heroic by its very nature. People are in harms way and not just from enemy combatants.

It was the fucking media that played the story based upon "sources". I know what "RESCUE" means and implies when used by the military. It is fucking civilians and civilian press than do not know what "RESCUE' means when used in a military sense. Basically when any MIA or POW is recovered it is deemed a rescue and it is factually a rescue. In example if a pilot bails out over the desert...even though there may not be an enemy combatant within a hundred miles...his extraction is a "rescue". A soldier ends up MIA during an operation and is recovered...it is deemed a rescue when he is located and extracted. It is the press that glamourizes and turns truth into misinformation.

It's all about ...... ratings

[theking]

Originally posted by RobertD
Pvt Lynch was not shot or stabbed.
The docs had placed her in the best room in the hospital, found the best bed in the hospital, and given her the best care they could give.
All hostile Iraqis had fled the hospital the previous day.
The Docs were happy to get her someplace where she could recieve the care she needed.

The military could just as easily have sent a taxi to pick her up.

American doctors initially stated that she was not shot...but the same doctors upon further investigation of her wounds later stated that she had in fact been shot. That is the last report that I heard. I do not recall what was said about being stabbed.

It is immaterial if the military could have sent a taxi to pick her up. Taxi cabs are not used in military operations. The "resuce" was SOP for a military "rescue" operation in a hostile AO.

[Gutterboy]

Originally posted by RobertD
Pvt Lynch was not shot or stabbed.
The docs had placed her in the best room in the hospital, found the best bed in the hospital, and given her the best care they could give.
All hostile Iraqis had fled the hospital the previous day.
The Docs were happy to get her someplace where she could recieve the care she needed.

The military could just as easily have sent a taxi to pick her up.

There are reports that the Iraqi's themselves tried to take her back to an American military checkpoint, but were shot at and had to turn away.

[Gutterboy]

Originally posted by theking
It is immaterial if the military could have sent a taxi to pick her up. Taxi cabs are not used in military operations. The "resuce" was SOP for a military "rescue" operation in a hostile AO.

You're trying to weasel your way out of this with a straw man. No one is denying that a rescue was attempted. The problem is that the rescue was entirely unecessary, overhyped as some heroic rambo type deal, caused alot of unnecessary destruction to the Iraqi hospital, Lynch was not being abused, not did she fight 'till the last round before she was captured, and it may very well be true that the Iraqi's themselves had tried to return her.

Except for the fact a few special forces guys got to play rambo against a bunch of nurses, everything about the story as reported in the American press is probably a lie.

And if you'd bother to read what the Iraqi doctor said, it was bullets AND blanks, not blanks instead of bullets. He was probably talking about flashbangs.

[gruffy]

Originally posted by Gutterboy

Except for the fact a few special forces guys got to play rambo against a bunch of nurses, everything about the story as reported in the American press is probably a lie.

But it looked great on the TV!

It will also probablly get Bush another term.

[adjektiv]

You're all so right. They shouldn't have been allowed to rescue a POW. It's just not politically correct because it makes socialists upset, and an Iraqi could have been hurt!

I know you were all rooting for Saddam but he lost and the US won so get over it.

[theking]

Originally posted by Gutterboy


You're trying to weasel your way out of this with a straw man. No one is denying that a rescue was attempted. The problem is that the rescue was entirely unecessary, overhyped as some heroic rambo type deal, caused alot of unnecessary destruction to the Iraqi hospital, Lynch was not being abused, not did she fight 'till the last round before she was captured, and it may very well be true that the Iraqi's themselves had tried to return her.

I am not trying to "weasel" my way out of anything. The operation was conducted as is Standard Operating Procedure for an operation of this type being conducted in a hostile AO. It was a real operation conducted by real combat personell...in a real combat zone and was carried out in the manner that they were trained and is SOP for the military. It is totally immaterial if Iraqi's tried to return her or if Iraqi's said the AO was free of Iraqi combatants. The operation was conducted as is SOP and as it should have been conducted. The military does as it has been trained to do and if that does not please you or anyone else...I assure you that the military will not change its methods of operation because of that.

There is not any doubt that the media hyped the story...but the military did not. Most operations carried out by the military is heroic by its very nature...even during peace time exercises. You are in harms way.

[Gutterboy]

Originally posted by adjektiv
You're all so right. They shouldn't have been allowed to rescue a POW. It's just not politically correct because it makes socialists upset, and an Iraqi could have been hurt!

I know you were all rooting for Saddam but he lost and the US won so get over it.

And this defeated Saddam would be where? Hiding out with the similarly defeated Bin Ladin?

[adjektiv]

Originally posted by Gutterboy


And this defeated Saddam would be... hiding out with the similarly defeated Bin Ladin maybe?

I guess we never won World War II either since Hitler's body was never found.

[gruffy]

Originally posted by Gutterboy
And this defeated Saddam would be where? Hiding out with the similarly defeated Bin Ladin?

I heard they were hiding in North Korea.

[Gutterboy]

Originally posted by theking

There is not any doubt that the media hyped the story...but the military did not. Most operations carried out by the military is heroic by its very nature...even during peace time exercises. You are in harms way.

Are you really suggesting the press made this all up by themselves?

The Pentagon, Administration, and the military fanned the flames of this lie in the press either by omission or commission. There is no way around it.

Either they went along with the lies because they made a good story, or they failed to tell the truth when they knew the stories being circulated by the press were lies because they made 'em look good.

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by directfiesta




MOW ( movie Of the Week) in the making.... Open your eyes... a whole real world existd outside of the military propaganda....

BBC not reputable??? Fox or CNN are ???

reputable or not - the BBC has - WITHOUT A DOUBT- the largest audience of any news organization in the world. no other new organization is EVEN close to the same size.

[Paul Markham]

Will you guys stop beating up on theking and go after a real target.

Plus bloody stupid Iraqi doctors, one minute they were saying she was not shot, probably because of their lack of training and facilities. Then when she was properly examined a few days later the wonderful US military doctors with all the best top line equipment did find lots of bullet holes.

Hang on it was the US doctors who said she was not shot. Was that before Washingtom examined her or after?

[adjektiv]

What about Mohammed Odeh al-Rehaief who walked miles to report to US solidiers that Lynch had been slapped around by Iraqi's. Did he just lie and risk his life for no reason?
Are you saying that an Iraqi lied too, or that he doesn't even exist?
There is no point arguing with you really. Your hatred of America is so deep you can't see reality. It's sad really.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by charly


Hang on it was the US doctors who said she was not shot. Was that before Washingtom examined her or after?

In fact, before the actual " Operation freedom" started ...

[theking]

Originally posted by Gutterboy


Are you really suggesting the press made this all up by themselves?

The Pentagon, Administration, and the military fanned the flames of this lie in the press either by omnission or comission. There is no way around it.

Either they went along with the lies because they made a good story, or they failed to tell the truth when they knew the stories being circulated by the press were lies because they made 'em look good.

To the best of my knowledge I saw every Military briefing and Pentagon briefing during the course of the war...in real time as they were being given. In my opinion the story was not overly hyped by the Military or the Pentagon. They presented the story and the press hyped it up and often with misinformation from "inside sources"...which often do not even exist and the press is not unfrequently caught flat footed in concoctions.

Jessica is a real person...she was a real soldier...and became a real MIA/POW...there was a real operation carried out by real combat soldiers...in what is SOP...in a real war zone...in a real possible hostile AO...to extract her. End of story except for media hype.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by adjektiv
What about Mohammed Odeh al-Rehaief who walked miles to report to US solidiers that Lynch had been slapped around by Iraqi's. Did he just lie and risk his life for no reason?
Are you saying that an Iraqi lied too, or that he doesn't even exist?
There is no point arguing with you really. Your hatred of America is so deep you can't see reality. It's sad really.

a Koweit actor .... check the Oscar's next year... Nominated for " best foreign actor" ...

A bit like the " story" of the babies pulled out of incubators in Koweit by yje Iraqi in the first conflict : the daughter of a high ranking Koweiti official.

But it is OK to be patriotic, but not to be blind stupid.

BTW, any news on those so dangerous and numerous WMD ???

[rooster]

direct, id love to just have 5 minutes to beat your sociliast ass

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by rooster
direct, id love to just have 5 minutes to beat your sociliast ass

Again another great post from Rooster ....

You are so dumb you couldn't even find " my dumb ass" as much as I couldn't find your brain.... for obvious reason.

[Gutterboy]

Originally posted by adjektiv


I guess we never won World War II either since Hitler's body was never found.

Unlike some of our, uh, "defeated" adversaries, Hitler is not still orchestrating sucessful terrorist attacks against US targets.

Haven't seen Goebbels on Al-Jazeera recently either.

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by rooster
direct, id love to just have 5 minutes to beat your sociliast ass

Poor Rooster, i2 years ago he could of really whipped up the hatred by calling you a communist. Now all he can do is beat you up because your a socialist.

Rooster what part of the world do you live in? It can't be the USA a country that PROTECTS the rights of people to FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

Or maybe the Hillbilly town he lives in has not signed up to the Union yet.

theking
You are convinced that the US soldiers would not of had blanks. What if just some of them had "some" magazines with blanks for the cameras? If they did not encounter resistance they simply change magazines.

[CDSmith]

I'm waiting for the movie. Once it goes to video I will rent it for a buck.



Then we'll know what REALLY happened. :D