Traffic broker's test results are in

[Choker]

For the last week I have bought traffic from several traffic brokers, mostly exit traffic . Below are the results, posted in order of best value. These results can of course vary on your site.
The lower the CPC the better the overall value

Broker CPC

1. http://www.traffic-out.com/ .004
2. http://adult-web-site-traffic.com/ .006
3. http://www.fpctraffic2.com/buy.html .006
4. http://www.sexzity.com/ .007
5. http://www.adultmonger.com/trafficsales.html .008
6. http://www.traffic-for-sale.com/ .008
7. http://www.exitcoin.com/trafficsales.php .01
8. http://www.exitdollar.com/purchase.php .013
9. http://www.adulttrafficgenerator.com/ .023
10. http://marketing.ucumseeme.com/dat.shtml .076

More detailed stats are here http://www.chickenscripts.com/leaders/index.shtml

[Mr Pheer]

Can you now post how long it took each of them to send 100k hits?

[Choker]

Originally posted by MrPheer
Can you now post how long it took each of them to send 100k hits?

Go here http://www.chickenscripts.com/leaders/index.shtml and you can see how much each one has sent the last 24 hours, but the guys who's cpc is more than .007 I have asked to send no more than 5k a day. It seems that Sex Zity is capable of sending the most per day.

[FlyingIguana]

sales would be a better way to track performance. lots of sites have good clickthrough rates, but the sales aren't anywhere near the same.

[BRISK]

I agree that UCumSeeMe traffic is the worst.

[EscortBiz]

Originally posted by FlyingIguana
sales would be a better way to track performance. lots of sites have good clickthrough rates, but the sales aren't anywhere near the same.

EXACTLY my thoughts!

[Choker]

Originally posted by FlyingIguana
sales would be a better way to track performance. lots of sites have good clickthrough rates, but the sales aren't anywhere near the same.

Most exit traffic brokers have told me NOT to send their traffic straight to a paysite, that filtering is needed. And I agree, it's all about filtering. This test basically reveals who's brokers surfers are at least willing to click on a fake tgp.

[Donny]

Can you explain to me how Traffic Out resulted in more clicks than they sent? How did their productivity reach 114% ?

[Joshua]

Cool, thanks!

[Choker]

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Can you explain to me how Traffic Out resulted in more clicks than they sent? How did their productivity reach 114% ?

Some of that brokers surfers he sent clicked more than one time on the fake tgp. 300% productivity is not uncommon on a real tgp.

[Donny]

Originally posted by Choker


Some of that brokers surfers he sent clicked more than one time on the fake tgp. 300% productivity is not uncommon on a real tgp.

Thanks for the explanation!

[undermyspell]

I will admit that chokers stats are right on target with what I received too. His first two listings are the bomb. If you need good traffic I highly recommend either of them. Adult-Site-Traffic guys made me several great deals and made others on the boards great deals too. I've only purchased once from Traffic Out but what I saw from him was very very impressive. My click throughs consistently were more than 100% ratio. So if you're wondering give either of these guys your biz. They're genuine.

[Kel]

Thanks for the info, Choker. It's tests like the the one you posted that really keep me coming back for more at GFY*.

*and the myriad of flaming that goes on between it's participants.

Thanks.

[Theo]

choker,great work,much appreciated

[Choker]

Originally posted by undermyspell
I will admit that chokers stats are right on target with what I received too. His first two listings are the bomb. If you need good traffic I highly recommend either of them. Adult-Site-Traffic guys made me several great deals and made others on the boards great deals too. I've only purchased once from Traffic Out but what I saw from him was very very impressive. My click throughs consistently were more than 100% ratio. So if you're wondering give either of these guys your biz. They're genuine.

I recomend all of these guys except for one. This test is as fair as I could make it. I will continue to run this permamently.

[Penn E. Less]

Originally posted by Choker
For the last week I have bought traffic from several traffic brokers, mostly exit traffic . Below are the results, posted in order of best value. These results can of course vary on your site.
The lower the CPC the better the overall value

Broker CPC

1. http://www.traffic-out.com/ .004
2. http://adult-web-site-traffic.com/ .006
3. http://www.fpctraffic2.com/buy.html .006
4. http://www.sexzity.com/ .007
5. http://www.adultmonger.com/trafficsales.html .008
6. http://www.traffic-for-sale.com/ .008
7. http://www.exitcoin.com/trafficsales.php .01
8. http://www.exitdollar.com/purchase.php .013
9. http://www.adulttrafficgenerator.com/ .023
10. http://marketing.ucumseeme.com/dat.shtml .076

More detailed stats are here http://www.chickenscripts.com/leaders/index.shtml

Choker,

YOU ARE A BOLD FACE LIAR!

We did not enter our traffic into your contest. Present the PayPal voucher to prove that you paid for it? That #10 slot was for http://adult-site-traffic.com not UCumSeeMe.com. What kind of B.S. are you guys trying to pull here?

When you're the Leader in Direct Adult Traffic, everyone attempts to slander your name.

[Adult Site Traffic]

I actually bought the traffic from UCumSeeMe (Penn E. Less) for Choker. I made the mistake of purchacing this traffic un-tested, and sending it in to Choker.

When we realized the production was so unbelivably low, I immediatly messaged Penn and had the offending traffic removed.

According to my stats provided by Penn, the traffic was indeed shut off.

One problem

The traffic continued at about the same rate and productivity. The traffic had no referrers. Thete were "hits" RUNNING WILD, clicking everything in sight.

My client actually had to go in and isolate individual IP to slow it down.

We eventually did find that it was framed hits, but this was not really the problem here.....

Pen swore the traffic was off. But, when we advised him it was indeed on and that it was very suspicious, it was mysteriously shut off.

I appologize to Choker for this. I will replace 100/k of my own traffic.

I messaged Penn with the information we had. I demanded a refund and was refused, and was told about the great traffic and repeat customers.

Penn knew exactly where this traffic was going. I had to give him the URL.

Adult Site Traffic 121760557

[Penn E. Less]

Originally posted by BRISK
I agree that UCumSeeMe traffic is the worst.

What is your username with UCumSeeMe.com? Have you actually purchased from us before? If so, we'll know by your username and we'll checkout your account.

Please people, jealous is for weak minds, you have to be stronger than that! How can we be the worst when we have a large part of the marketshare with continued repeat business?

Just because people aren't making money, they have nothing better to do than to damage a companies credibility. Sickening, very sickening....

[Adult Site Traffic]

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[Adult Site Traffic]

Perl 5/15/200 12:16 AM Please move Chokers traffic to
http://adult-site-traffic.com/traffic/out.cgi?
=7
as soon as possible. He's messaging me to kill
it, and I cannot. I told him I would eat it,
and pay him 100/k in true clicks.

Perl 5/15/200 8:26 PM http://www.chickenscripts.com/leaders/index.sh
ml

You are still sending traffic, somehow. They
have detected hitbot in it, and have been
locking out IP's, but cannot isolate your
traffic because all of the referrers are
hidden.
At least they took my name off of it.
I don't know how it's getting there, but you
need to stop it ASAP. Choker is chewing my
ass.

Penn E. 5/15/200 8:33 PM Hi, no traffic is going to that site, it's
going to
http://adult-site-traffic.com/traffic/out.cgi?
=7
He has a problem elsewhere.

Perl 5/15/200 8:34 PM The only site sending to that url was the
traffic you sent. It is a unique send url, and
the prod matches exactly.

Penn E. 5/15/200 8:37 PM Don't know what to tell you, we don't give
away traffic for free and it's the only link
in our system that we're sending traffic to.
He needs to talk to his programmer about this
issue.

Perl 5/15/200 8:37 PM Thanks Penn. We'll take it from here.

Penn E. 5/15/200 8:38 PM Ok, thanks!

BTW, I have a few resellers on that list and
they're scoring pretty high. I'm not sure what
his system is doing and to be truthful, I
could care less. We have repeat customers that
LOVE our traffic, that's why we're still in
business. ;-)

Perl 5/15/200 8:47 PM Penn, I am looking at a lot of stuff on board
threads right now...
I don't have time for this right now. I am 500
miles from home.

I will look into this later, a little deeper.
Who is Cheeba Filas?

Perl 5/15/200 8:47 PM I have to take my wife to dinner. I will deal
with this situation later.

Penn E. 5/15/200 8:47 PM We'll talk later when you're home. :-)
I'm going to have dinner now, have a safe trip
back home!

Perl 5/15/200 8:53 PM You turned off your bot. You forgot and left
it on. We have documentation, and you have a
bill

Penn E. 5/15/200 8:59 PM Excuse me!?

Those are VERY STRONG allegations my friend
and you are the first person to make them. I
will prorate you for the unused traffic but
since you make such a strong case of fraud,
supply the documentation. I will talk to you
tomorrow during normal business hours. I am
quite shocked to hear this come from you,
especially since you review GFY and other
forums and there has NEVER been such a
perverse claim made about us or our traffic.
How dare you much such an allegation! Provide
the documentation at once!

Penn E. 5/15/200 9:01 PM If our traffic was bot traffic your company
would be a multi-million dollar company like
our company, right?

Penn E. 5/15/200 9:03 PM Please remove me from your ICQ list (as I will
you) after we've refunded you pro-rate. You
are scum and to believe I thought otherwise of
your company. I guess you were trying to steal
two million visitors per day from us and put
the blame on this ficticious client of yours,
eh? Have a safe trip home, good night.

Perl 5/15/200 10:27 PM You know it's impossible to prove it's hitbot
without access to your server admin giving it
up. That's not going to happen, you know it as
well as I do.
Refund the money, not pro-rata, or this will
be public information forever.
Too many people know what's up, and it doesn't
have to be "proven".
It will cost you a lot more than the 320.00 in
the long run.

Penn E. 5/15/200 10:29 PM I love threats. Make it public then, let's
play ball if that's what you want to do (this
is going to be fun). We're delivering ALL of
your traffic as we agreed in the beginning.
Have a good evening, I'm ignoring you moving
forward.

Perl 5/15/200 10:29 PM OK Penn. Thank you

Penn E. 5/15/200 10:29 PM Not a problem.

[Theo]

hm,i was expecting a traffic brokers battle.

I won't comment on any traffic broker, but there is a lot of fraud going on in general.

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[Choker]

Just because people aren't making money, they have nothing better to do than to damage a companies credibility. Sickening, very sickening

Dude, what's your fucking problem here? What Adult Site Traffic says is true. You know it and I know it. As far as slandering someone I pick my battles very carefully. I don't know you, your company, nor do I care to. Fact is this traffic you sent was pure shit, worse than shit, it was garbage. What else can I say dude?? Not one single fucking referring url from all the traffic you sent my site. Not even 1 from over 50k hits you sent. Don't go running your mouth at me for posting the results of your traffic. I don't sell exit traffic, and the traffic I sell is pretty much sold out. I have nothing to gain by slandering anyone here. I am simply posting the results so everyone can see for themselves. Don't drag me into a fight I don't have a reason for being in.

[Penn E. Less]

Originally posted by Adult Site Traffic
I actually bought the traffic from UCumSeeMe (Penn E. Less) for Choker. I made the mistake of purchacing this traffic un-tested, and sending it in to Choker.

When we realized the production was so unbelivably low, I immediatly messaged Penn and had the offending traffic removed.

According to my stats provided by Penn, the traffic was indeed shut off.

One problem

The traffic continued at about the same rate and productivity. The traffic had no referrers. Thete were "hits" RUNNING WILD, clicking everything in sight.

My client actually had to go in and isolate individual IP to slow it down.

We eventually did find that it was framed hits, but this was not really the problem here.....

Pen swore the traffic was off. But, when we advised him it was indeed on and that it was very suspicious, it was mysteriously shut off.

I appologize to Choker for this. I will replace 100/k of my own traffic.

I messaged Penn with the information we had. I demanded a refund and was refused, and was told about the great traffic and repeat customers.

Penn knew exactly where this traffic was going. I had to give him the URL.

Adult Site Traffic 121760557

This is really, really funny!

Since you want to attempt to slander our name in the eyes of millions then it's only right that we tell potential buyers of your credibility (or lack thereof).

For the record, Perl Mountain contacted me recently to push two million non-adult visitors to his "client" a day. Not a problem I told him, we can easily do five million or more per day (we have other companies under our main corporate umbrella). We're talking about a $90,000.00 a month business deal here.

Although I heard stories of Perl Mountain screwing customers over before I did not believe it because I'm not a gossip type of person. Well, here's the fun part. He asked if we could do this on Net 15, which means that I would have to give him a line of credit for $45,000.00. Guess what, I spoke with him on the phone and when I told him that I would not extend a $45,000.00 credit line to him he became very upset. Would you believe that this guy tried to steal $45,000.00 from my company!?

A day or two later, this crap surfaces about hitbots and choker, etc.

We're businessmen and we run a legit company. We publicly challenge any past customer to say that we screwed them or sent them hitbot traffic. That's absurd!

These are the people that you buy your traffic from. Think about how low these thieves will go and conspire to smear our name in the mud. We go to the Internext conventions, break bread and drink with fellow webmasters. Do these guys go? NO!

Stop playing with these minor league players, step up to the major leagues, step up to Direct Adult Traffic from UCumSeeMe.com Marketing!



Penn

[Penn E. Less]

Originally posted by Choker


Dude, what's your fucking problem here? What Adult Site Traffic says is true. You know it and I know it. As far as slandering someone I pick my battles very carefully. I don't know you, your company, nor do I care to. Fact is this traffic you sent was pure shit, worse than shit, it was garbage. What else can I say dude?? Not one single fucking referring url from all the traffic you sent my site. Not even 1 from over 50k hits you sent. Don't go running your mouth at me for posting the results of your traffic. I don't sell exit traffic, and the traffic I sell is pretty much sold out. I have nothing to gain by slandering anyone here. I am simply posting the results so everyone can see for themselves. Don't drag me into a fight I don't have a reason for being in.

We have nothing further to say about this situation. This whole episode is beneath us we'll let you girls continue to gossip amongst each other.




Regards,

Penn

[xxxice]

What's going on ?

[Theo]

Did your traffic lack reffering urls or not?

[Adult Site Traffic]

I never told you that I was upset. I told you that I understood, and that I would probably do the same thing.

As for my ficticious client?

LOL

Scott Skinner. X10 technology. Call him and ask him. 2 million per day

Penn E. Less sells suspected hitbot traffic

[Choker]

Originally posted by Penn E. Less


We have nothing further to say about this situation. This whole episode is beneath us we'll let you girls continue to gossip amongst each other.




Regards,

Penn

No, we are not done yet dude. You come on here acting like you are big shit almighty. First and foremost:

Stop playing with these minor league players, step up to the major leagues, step up to Direct Adult Traffic from UCumSeeMe.com Marketing

Well these minor league players traffic is over 10 times as productive as what you sent me. Quantity means nothing when the traffic is pure garbage.

[Theo]

the sexocean of traffic brokers

[Choker]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
Did your traffic lack reffering urls or not?

Of the over 50k he sent me not one single refering url, I found out he was selling traffic in frames like this http://www.ucumseeme.com/pu.html but anyone who is ever bought any traffic knows there are at least some refering urls, his traffic had not even one. I am not saying publically he is using a hitbot. But the traffic he sent to me was pure garbage.

[dchottie]

You know I won't pretend to know precisely what all the things you're talking about are but I do know that I have bought traffic from adult site traffic and not only was he very generous and responded immediately to any questions or concerns that I had he also had changed his prices the day after I purchased and came back and gave me some additional traffic to make up for the difference. I didn't ask for it but he gave it. I know that during the time I purchased traffic from him my click through ratio went through the roof. I'm not sure if it's possible using choker's ttt script to pull up past days but I could sure post my stats proving that adult sites traffic is very good. The same goes with traffic out. I've never bought from u cum see me because I felt they were a little too proud of their traffic judging by their prices. And i'm not going to wager 60 bucks for 10,000 hits if they weren't any good and 1,000 test is just not enough to judge anything because when I buy hits I like to receive 750 to 1000 hits of that a day. So, I give adult site traffic two thumbs up. I've bought from him more than once and will continue to buy from him.

[Adult Site Traffic]

Originally posted by Penn E. Less
Although I heard stories of Perl Mountain screwing customers over before I did not believe it because I'm not a gossip type of person. Well, here's the fun part. He asked if we could do this on Net 15, which means that I would have to give him a line of credit for $45,000.00. Guess what, I spoke with him on the phone and when I told him that I would not extend a $45,000.00 credit line to him he became very upset. Would you believe that this guy tried to steal $45,000.00 from my company!?
Penn

Actually Penn, you're a lying son of a bitch. I won't "accuse" you of selling me your hitbot, but... LOL check the data...

On the other subject, I feel pretty comfortable saying that you are 100% a liar.

It wasn't on the phone, it was over ICQ, and here's the history )
I actually told you on the phone that I didn't expect you to do it, but I would fax the contracts and let you decide...
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Perl 5/14/200 12:02 PM Oh, the mainstraeam?

Perl 5/14/200 12:03 PM US, major metro, male target if possible.

Penn E. 5/14/200 12:03 PM Unfortunately not. Just US mainstream.

Perl 5/14/200 12:03 PM That's fine.

Perl 5/14/200 12:04 PM The target on it was "if possible".

Penn E. 5/14/200 12:05 PM Can I phone you to discuss?

Perl 5/14/200 12:06 PM Sure Penn.
555-555-2753

Penn E. 5/14/200 12:08 PM I have a secured phone and it's not allowing
me to dial you (block enabled or something
like that). Please call me if possible at
555-555-2182 (or remove the caller ID block
and I'll call you)

Perl 5/14/200 12:09 PM It blocks privately blocked calls. I'll call
you.

Penn E. 5/14/200 12:09 PM okm

Perl 5/14/200 12:31 PM Please tell me the company information to put
on the non disclosure/no compete agreement
that I need to send to you.
My client is sending his paperwork now.
Also, please be ready to fax you're required
documents to me.

Perl 5/14/200 12:34 PM Also, my client just told me he needs to know
delivery method, or the % blend of
popup/popunder

Perl 5/14/200 1:09 PM I need that information please Penn.

Penn E. 5/14/200 1:09 PM ok

Perl 5/14/200 1:20 PM I verified their switchboard

Penn E. 5/14/200 1:20 PM good deal.

The blend is 50/50

Perl 5/14/200 1:22 PM OK, I told him. The popunder is 720 x 300,
still waiting on the popup size.

Perl 5/14/200 1:23 PM I need the legal company information for the
non disclosure/no-compete paperwork, and I
need as many sample URL's that you can provide
that will provide the impressions please.

Penn E. 5/14/200 1:23 PM ok

Perl 5/14/200 1:24 PM When I get your information, I'll begin to fax
the paperwork to you.

Perl 5/14/200 1:28 PM Let me know the price and availability on high
volume adult also please.

Penn E. 5/14/200 1:55 PM Hi.

We discussed this and have decided to pass on
this deal. We won't extend $45,000.00 credit
to any company, regardless of who they are.
If they are as large as you say, they can
refuse to pay us (for whatever reason) and tie
us up in court and we'd rather not deal with
that possibility. We're willing to lower the
price some if they can pay daily. Thanks

Perl 5/14/200 1:56 PM OK, Thank you.

Perl 5/14/200 1:57 PM Let me know on high volume global adult.
I may be able to move 100/k to 1 million per
day.

Perl 5/14/200 1:57 PM I have a buyer waiting.
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Liar

[BigFrog]

wow, what an interesting read

[SleazyDream]

don't you just love it when you catch a cheater and they just refuse to believe that they got caught!


next we'll see a bunch of people with new GFY accounts that say they are somebodies in the business but refuse to state their names slamming choker- from my experience that's how these things usually go.

[Tuga]

I love this thread! I bought traffic from several sources and I agree that UCumSeeMe is the worst of them all. Pure shit.

[DyannaDoes]

Originally posted by Penn E. Less




This is really, really funny! . . . we can easily do five million or more per day (we have other companies under our main corporate umbrella). We're talking about a $90,000.00 a month business deal here.

best quote ever

[flashfreak]

Originally posted by vanderweb
What's going on ?

grab some popcorn.. quick....

[sacX]

nice job Choker.

[MetaMan]

wow they clicked and they didnt,

its so cool that half of tgps r flooded by warez traffic anyway.

[kevinl]

I predict Choker will win another DVD player.

[Machete_]

Choker please hit me up on icq ( se signature ) I have some questions about selling traffic to you program

[AdultMovies.bz]

Well...
I was considering a 100k beginner campaign with UCumSeeMe.com to start things off... but thats just changed haha

Good on ya for exposing the cheats Choker

[Mr.Fiction]

What about Spotbrokers?

[Jakke PNG]

Originally posted by kevinl
I predict Choker will win another DVD player.

Nah, AaronM will.

[mule]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
Did your traffic lack reffering urls or not?

I bought some traffic from him a while ago, and it was exactly the same: no referring URLS, and a massive proliferation of clicks. It took me ages afterwards to get my TGP back up to the point where it was before, productivity-wise, as my trade-partners had of course all changed the percentage they sent me because of this.

[hybrid]

Hey choker, can we do some business ? It's outside the realm of what you offer on your pages. 163385497

[theking]

It has been my experience over the years that traffic brokers may be the most common of all of the crooks in this business.

[FlyingIguana]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
hm,i was expecting a traffic brokers battle.

I won't comment on any traffic broker, but there is a lot of fraud going on in general.

i think people should know if there is fraud going on. i wouldn't want to see anyone get ripped off.

[thefreakybeaver]

I won hits from this traffic place awhile back http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=120802

I remember my productivity was VERY low and if I remember correctly is was under 5%! If there is a way to retrieve a few days from TTT and take a screenshot I can do that.

The only reason I am posting this is to give my experiences with the traffic and have no business or personal connection to anyone on this board.

Seeing ucumseeme freaking out calling ppl liars when I know the hits I got sucked made me feel as though I should share my experiences with them.