actually i did them for $40 each but its still cheap

Maybe I don't understand or something, but all I see in the ICQ logs is one person looking for a target for his anger and picking his designer.

thats after posting and bumping a thread over and over looking for someone who was doing work for me and after ICQing them.

get your facts straight before opening your pisk.

Should I? Should I?

I think I shall......


<b>Pisk</b>
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Suggestions for pisk:
1. Pasic
2. pikes
3. piques
4. piques
5. Pikes
6. piss
7. Pinsk
8. piso
9. Pisa
10. piezo-
11. piazza
12. Piozzi

Can't be #1, Pasic was a former premier of Serbia.

Hmm.... #6 looks close. Did you perhaps mean something along the lines of pisshole?


I love new words :D

Its a mouth.

I think the footnotes went something like:

EB: "Where you been?"
JH: "::looks around at other designers::... who me? Oh.. I've umm.. well I took a vacation for a couple days and..."

EB: "Bitch where's my banners?!"
JH: "..I..I...I gave you some banners the other day, I'm tired eb.. I can't work anymore tonight"

EB: "Bitch I ain't trying to hear that -- where's my banners!?"
JH: "..But I'm trying to go legit.. I got a JOB...."

EB: "Damn straight you have a job! Your job is to make me banners!"
JH: "But EB your're giving me way less than...

EB: "Bitch did I come to you?? No. You came to me. You said "Please EB let me make some banners for you!" you better remember that..."
JH: "::crying::... ok ok EB... I'm sorry I was holding on you... heres your banners... ::sobs::

hehe, yeah...
I've seen people starting thread because they have been screwed for thousands of $$$

But an angry thread for couple of low cost banners delivered a day or two late..?? :eek7

(p.s. how much was it per banner?)

1) EB, i honstly believe you did waaaaaaaaaaaaaay over-react with this. The fact you got your FPA ontime should have been your first clue that shit chick was alright to work with, and it was because you got her to do some banners for you.

2) Not everyone in the industry hangs out here on GFY, they should but they dont. Having to go through here to get to someone who isnt a regular probably isnt the best way of communication.

3) If you were that pissed over it why didnt you just say fuck it. Give me my money and take your shit back? I dont think the 2 day thing was much of an issue because if it was i think you would have done that, i know i would have.

4) ICQ is the most unstable peice of shit IM there is. You cannot base any sort of work ethic because of someone's ICQ status!

Dont get me wrong, i think you're a man of your word and follow through but every now and then you need to cut people some slack.. what if there was a death in her family, you would have ended up looking pretty stupid for starting this thread.

Dont get mad at me, love me or hate me this is just how i see it

and thats my :2 cents:

You know, that shouldn't be as funny as it is.

Look it is very clear that everyone from canada is all excited over this, and the ladies are bitching.

You know what dont do business with me and thats it.

I know what I do and when I do it.

Good luck

I'm from Canada, and I've done work for Escortbiz :P That's generally NOT a problem :P

Thanks alot hun

Jesus fucking christ... Is your ego so big that you can't fucking admit that you fucked up and apologize?
Up until now, I had nothing but respect for you and I had heard nothing but good things. But now it seems you're starting to show your true colours. I don't know if it's really who you are, or if your attempt to boost your ego more by taking steroids is fucking with your mind, but maybe you should take a day off a rethink your business plan.

A good business man has more than one way of contacting his employees. I'm sure jellohead has an email account and a phone number.

A good business man values those that are making him money. Telling them to no longer do business with them because he's not man enough to apologize is poor business practice.

A good business values anyone who can potentially make money for him, be it one sale or a thousand sales. And you're telling dozens of people here not to do business with you. Sure, you may have only lost a dozen sales, but you may have lost several thousand as well.

Rethink your status around here and in this industry. Very few of us (if any) rely solely on you to get by. You're nothing but a drop in the bucket of the online industry, and you're definetly not the big man you seem to think you are (or at least you're not the big man you told jellohead you were).

And all you people who are sitting here thinking EscortBiz acted professionally, you're all just a bunch of yes-men and pussies who are afraid EscortBiz might cancel your affiliate accounts with him if you speak against him.

In what language?

You know I'm witchoo :)

Listen you really dont know all the facts, again you are from canada.

Dont get a heart attack over there.

LM, why the quick edit?

because she felt like it.

That isnt it at all my friend. I'm not all excited, i really dont know jellohead and couldnt give a flying fuck about her.

I do know you and how you handle your biz and i would have to say you are about one of the few people on the board who are a man of their word.

I know you've always paid everyone you were supposed to, you always held up your end of the bargin and i have heard absolutely 0 bad things about you... That in itself says it all.

I never ever said not to do biz with you or that i wouldnt do biz with you should that ever come up but that i wouldnt rely on ICQ to communicate really because it is prone to problems and i would probably have gone through the same thing as jellohead did if i couldnt get in touch with your or you couldnt get in touch with me

If i offended you in any way/shape/form i'm sorry, maybe i should have keep my yap shut but come on, it wasnt like she was gone for a week+.

This is the first time i ever saw someone let loose on someone over a day or two of no communication.. Didnt the FPA's getting done on time and being of great quality tell you something about jellohead? All im saying is maybe you should have cut her some slack (Taking the FPA's into consideration).

I could see you doing this, with all the reason to do it if she never did any work for you and it was her first job from you and she did this but that wasnt the case.

Whether you like me more or like me less is really up to you, but what is fair is fair and i just think that jellohead kind of got the shitty end of the stick for no real good reason.


PS: this has nothing to do with being canadian or not, this isnt a Canada Vs. USA, this is about right or wrong, and in my humble opinion which probably means fuckall to you or anyone else i think it was wong.

Dude, why the quick edit?

Hmm....for one, I'm no one's "yes man". hell, I'm no man at all.

I didn't say he acted professionally in this. (yes, I now you're not directing the post at me, but I'm answering just for something to do) I think he got the part where he overreacted. But look at things in this manner (no, I'm not excusing him, I'm offering a new look at things.): He hired a bunch of people to do stuff for him. Not all of them came through. I know what it's like to do work for someone and not get paid for it, so I can imagine that it royally sucks balls to pay for something and not get it done.

If EB was unprofessional in this, then so was jellohead by not keeping his/her/its employer notified of what was going on. that's also good business on the freelancer's part. Keep your contractor notified if things are behind schedule, work cannot be completed, something needs clarification, etc. So what if you wentout and got a job, congrats, but you still have a job to finish for this person as well. You can't just take the money and run.

I still have a great deal of respect for EscortBiz. He paid me and I did the work he needed (plus a bit more, but that was my bad, so he got it for free). I'm sorry that anger and stress made him go off like he did, but I'm not going to summarily drop any respect I had for him over an outburst of overreaction on his part.

He knows that he was wrong to overreact, but no one else seems able to drop it. No, instead they keep rubbing it in until it chafes so much that he snaps on someothers as well. Yeah, that's professional. fine, he went overboard. Now shut up and let the guy go on about life. When he cools off enough, I'm sure he'll apologize to whomever deserves an apology.

:2 cents: 100 dammit

Exactly the point that some here dont get.

I never did this before and if I did do it there is a good reason for it.

I pay everyone and live up to my end each and everytime.

But again for those who are pussywhipped or feel the need to bash me because the person I was bitching about is from their country so be it. But one thing for sure I never forget and I always always give the last hit.

For the ones who supported me here or on ICQ, I wont forget.

Err that's not what I meant.

That was to be more of a comical spin on the whole situation :)

But the bottom line is people should do what they say they are going to do when they say they are going to do it. Or in the very least, keep people informed as to what's going on....

No im cooled off hun, I am more then fair and you know that you know I prepaid you might of not been alot but still I am a fair person to everyone.

"But again for those who are pussywhipped or feel the need to bash me because the person I was bitching about is from their country so be it. But one thing for sure I never forget and I always always give the last hit. "


I see, so am i one of these people now?

goBigtime notes that NotJoe is one of the hardest people to have a conversation with on ICQ he has ever met.

I invision him switching between 30 computers that are encoding DVD's and one of them goes "Uh oh!" (ICQ new message sound)... and hes like scrambling to find out which machine got the message.. and after looking on a few of them he just gives up. :1orglaugh

Hes getting better about it lately though.. maybe he got a good KVM switch or something :glugglug

not at all lol

but watch what happenes to some fucks here

I had some great convos with him :)

Its soo true.. but that is what happens when one man is running 10 man show!

I would love to see some work from jellohead.

What the fuck does me being Canadian have anything to do with this? My nationality doesn't change the fact that you're a pretentious asshole with an over-inflated opinion of himself (with apparent and obvious predjudices as well).

Sure, he way have realized that he has overreacted, but he hasn't apologized for it. He still thinks he was justified for what he did. Well guess what, you're not justified. Perhaps the steroids are getting to you and making you tense, because jellohead did nothing wrong.

If you want to think I have this opinion because I'm Canadian (which makes no sense to me), so be it. Keep in mind that LadyMischief is Canadian and doesn't share the same opinion as me.

If you want to lose business over this, so be it. That's your own perogative. It's your money, not mine.

But if you're going to trash someone, by all means, you're entitled to it... IF you can back up yourself up. But you can't, and no one here seems to think that you were justified in acting the way you did.

This whole thread makes you come across as nothing but a poor business man and a big baby.

Go take a course on business practices and them come back and post.

You best not be directing this sort of shit my way chumbly. To my knowledge I am not an affiliate of EB's, nor have I ever done work for him or hired him for anything. Aside from that, I am nobody's "yes" man. Never have been, never will be. The people I choose to support on these forums have done one thing and one thing ONLY to deserve it. They have earned my respect. Period.


Having said that, I do think quite highly of Escrotebiz, so much so that I tease him a little about his name even. The guy has done nothing except be a straight shooter in every post I have seen of his, and his business from what I know of it is a shining example of how professionalism breeds success. I do however get the impression from the ICQ log provided that there must have been some misunderstanding, because it seems on the surface that EB has jumped the gun a bit. The problem here is that none of us were there with him when this happened, so none of us except him knows how it went down.


But hey, as long as he's happy with the actual work, and Jellohead is happy with her payment, then I would suggest that might be the end of it. EB can simply not send any more business her way in the future..... case close, no? Maybe we should probably drop this now rather than continuing into some pissing that might lead to some bad blood that we really don't need.


That's it. Take it or leave it.

I don't think EB is infallible, I was simply stating my experiences with him..

And fucking A I'm Canadian! Roar.

hitting the gym ill be back later :-)

He didn't give her a deadline or a time frame to work in. Both of them have agreed on this. She wasn't behind schedule, and she completed all the work. From what I've gathered in this thread, she did 3 FPAs for him, and he paid he without a problem. Then, on the 20th, he asked her for 5 banners. She did 3 of them the same day and then finished the other two between the 20th and yesterday.

EscortBiz is acting as if she had ignored him for several days or weeks. His attempt to contact her amounted to 2 ICQ messages over the span of 3 days. She didn't answer them because she wasn't there to answer them. So he posted a thread on here looking for her. Obviously, she's not a regualr here. She reg'd in April and has all of 10 posts.

The whole time, she was in contact with his business partner, who was aware of her situation and her other obligations. If his partner doesn't communicate with him properly, that's not the designer's fault. And then after she had sent the banners to him and completed her obligations to him, he gets on ICQ and starts giving her shit. At some point in the conversation, she mentions that she did the work and gave him a good deal. He decides to take this to mean "I gave you a good deal, so I have the right to ignore you" and starts to rip into her even harder, going so far as to post this thread.

Guess what, EscortBiz? You've done nothing but lose business for yourself and drum up a shit load of business for jellohead. Were those your intentions?

Like I said, I've had nothing but respect for him as well, and I don't do business with him either. He's always come across as a good, professional person in the past. But this whole thread reeks of unprofessionalism. He jumped on someone and trashed their reputation before they had the chance to earn one.

My problem isn't so much what he did, but what he isn't doing. Sure, there was a misunderstanding. Shit happens. But he refuses to admit there was a misunderstanding. He's attempting to justify his actions. And he refuses to apologize to her either. It's one thing for him not to do any more business with her, but it's another for him to encourage others not to as well.

Not only does jellohead have ICQ, but she has an email address and a phone number as well. His failure to obtain those contacts, or his failure to communicate with her through those contacts also reeks of unprofessionalism.

And then, when I voice my opinion, he pins it on the fact that I'm Canadian. What the fuck does my nationality have to do with anything? And does he not realize that you and LadyMischief are also Canadian?

ICQ is a piece of shit and VERY unreliable.

If I were doing work for someone and wasn't receiving their ICQ messages, I would be quite pissed to hop along some board that I don't frequent and come across a thread like this.

How two days of missed communication amounted to this thread completely escapes me. It's really quite ridiculous.

I will remain here only for the purpose of comic relief.

I think that is the point that is being missed. He needs to admit he overreacted and apologize and that will be the end of it!

To throw around the fact that he pays has nothing to do with it. Because he throws around money and pays for his work doesn't give him the right to talk to ANYONE the way he did period! I cannot even believe she is here still replying to his posts. I would ignore him FOREVER after this one. That is her right afterall. She doesn't need his "jobs" or his money.

It's not like she's one of his "women" who he pays to have sex with others for a profit. Even they should never be talked to this way!

Makes me wonder what exactly pissed him off and why he keeps throwing the Canadian thing around. No, I'm not canadian I'm from the U.S. I don't know jellohead or frankly anyone on this board on any level except reading and sometimes replying to their posts.

She gave the reason she did not answer his icq which if I remember right was only 1. 1 from him and 1 from Scott. He still talked down to her! I really hope this isn't a case of "She is only a female from canada and means nothing to me cuz I got money, I'm some big pimp in the biz and afterall she is ONLY FEMALE AND CANADIAN AT THAT. And I'll singlehandedly ruin her career lol

And the threats to those that didn't support him? Please give me a break! Even those that may respect him for who he is KNOWS this was wrong, whether they supported him in public or not. Whether they trashed her on the boards and in icq, they know deep down he was in the wrong.

And for those of you that KNOW he was wrong yet publically say he isn't, you're pussies bottomline. You're afraid of him for some unknown reason.

I cannot believe that 1 or 2 "ignored" icq messages came to all of this, it's insane.

All it takes is being a man, admitting he overreacted and saying SORRY! But then most people who overreact and feel foolish later, Don't Have The Balls to admit it publicly even if they know they were in the wrong.

fuckface shut your fuckin mouth already!

read the facts and cut your fuckin bullshit.