Tube Sites - What's Going On?

[loveinallitsforms69]

I still don't understand the role of tube sites and what is legal and what isn't regarding supposedly copyrighted content. Supposedly you should not be uploading any copyrighted material unless you yourself produced it. But these sites seem like mostly copyrighted material, usually from users, not producers.

Recently, xvideos, which already had videos of one of my favorite sites, straponcum.com, began to offer links to the actual site, which I thought was a great advance. The strapon site is now defunct, but many of the links are still there. I was a member of the site four times.

Of course, there is the familiar argument that tube sites introduce us to models and paysites we might otherwise not have known about. That certainly has been true for me.

But I am still confused. Can someone in the know enlighten me?

As Marvin Gaye once said, What's Going On?

Thanks.

[BRKUK]

the golden era of the tube site is over. it is dying since 2021. no more stealing content is allowed.

[Yanks_Todd]

Can someone in the know enlighten me?

Essentially tubes came in full force right around the time of the credit crunch which crushed the pay for porn mindset for a full generation (millennials) 2008-2009.

There were hundreds of tubes and aggregators who monetized the content that was "uploaded" by users with dating, live cams and ads. Lots and lots of ads. The content was used without permission or with so many pay-sites, ours included, made the best deal we could and took whatever pittance of traffic they would send our way on an affiliate basis. I uploaded clips, not full videos.

This continued for 10 years or so until they started to slowly realize that if you kill off your supply chain eventually it dries up. Yes, some old chubby swingers will upload their own sex videos, but hot 19 year old college girls "experimenting" at a frat party like to be paid. That is a huge simplification, but generally right.

So a few years ago, the tubes started to sweeten the deal for producers and creators by opening up monetization paths.

Acquisitions and market pressure consolidated the legal tubes to the big three in Xhamster, Xvideos and Mindgeek and a few other fringe tubes.

Visa and MC stopped processing for Pornhub which scared the shit out of all of them.

Now all three are desperately migrating to platforms with memberships of some kind and paying creators and studios on view-share, ad-share, direct sales and mini-memberships.

I work well with all three and I have good and bad things to say about their programs.

But at least they are doing the right thing now and allowing the people that work hard to create good porn to make a good living doing it. I won't let good get in the way of perfect.

Hopefully this puts pressure on the remaining tubes that still allow uploading of content.

I still have clips on some tubes that are licensed to be there, but any of my full videos that are being shown or sold without me getting a cut are illegal and I DMCA them daily.

However illegal tubes still upload my full clips and those tubes are supported by leeches on the biz like The Porn Dude and sadly many dating, cam and ad networks that are given awards by all the main event holders.

The next gen, gen Y has been conditioned via Netflix, HULU and Amazon that you have to pay for content. This bodes well for our industry.

[Tubevideditor]

Essentially tubes came in full force right around the time of the credit crunch which crushed the pay for porn mindset for a full generation (millennials) 2008-2009.

There were hundreds of tubes and aggregators who monetized the content that was "uploaded" by users with dating, live cams and ads. Lots and lots of ads. The content was used without permission or with so many pay-sites, ours included, made the best deal we could and took whatever pittance of traffic they would send our way on an affiliate basis. I uploaded clips, not full videos.

This continued for 10 years or so until they started to slowly realize that if you kill off your supply chain eventually it dries up. Yes, some old chubby swingers will upload their own sex videos, but hot 19 year old college girls "experimenting" at a frat party like to be paid. That is a huge simplification, but generally right.

So a few years ago, the tubes started to sweeten the deal for producers and creators by opening up monetization paths.

Acquisitions and market pressure consolidated the legal tubes to the big three in Xhamster, Xvideos and Mindgeek and a few other fringe tubes.

Visa and MC stopped processing for Pornhub which scared the shit out of all of them.

Now all three are desperately migrating to platforms with memberships of some kind and paying creators and studios on view-share, ad-share, direct sales and mini-memberships.

I work well with all three and I have good and bad things to say about their programs.

But at least they are doing the right thing now and allowing the people that work hard to create good porn to make a good living doing it. I won't let good get in the way of perfect.

Hopefully this puts pressure on the remaining tubes that still allow uploading of content.

I still have clips on some tubes that are licensed to be there, but any of my full videos that are being shown or sold without me getting a cut are illegal and I DMCA them daily.

However illegal tubes still upload my full clips and those tubes are supported by leeches on the biz like The Porn Dude and sadly many dating, cam and ad networks that are given awards by all the main event holders.

The next gen, gen Y has been conditioned via Netflix, HULU and Amazon that you have to pay for content. This bodes well for our industry.

I agree about them trying to do the right thing but yeah, they were forced into that and now us content owners are getting the upper hand again as without us, those tubes would be in a bad downward spiral with almost no business model left.

Onto there membership/viewshare options for content producers...

Pornhub used to be the best until they lost Visa/Mastercard and revenues have never been the same since and the stats were fine.

Xhamster are ok but you cannot really plan your uploads being released on set days as those uploads are stuck in 'review' for way to long. For a huge site, they seem understaffed as it seems to be the same 2 people on tickets, Skype or email.
There 'feed' promoting all the Studios is so slow I don't know why they bother. They push just a handful of posts each day so it looks pretty dead when they could be doing much more to help the Studios.
A limit on deleting your own stuff per day also sucks. Its my content so I should be in charge of that and the tag/category options need improving. For example, they have loads of weird category options but miss some real basic ones out such as no 'solo' category which is just odd.
Other than that though, they are pretty decent, the upload system is decent as are the stats... unless you want the most used for many 'last months stats' which for some reason they don't offer?!

Xvideos is my least favorite with an interface straight from the year 2005.
They often change the titles when nothing forbidden has been used or you get messages saying some uploads have randomly been disabled and you need to change the titles again.
You do this but because they have translated things, so many words are banned in some countries but not others and you have no idea which one it is - even when the titles are perfectly acceptable.
Then you have the title and description must be different by a certain % which is fucking annoying yet when viewing on the site itself, you only see the title and no description.
They have the deletion limit again (its our content, not yours!) and you cannot create your own thumbnail either and the stats are vague and have little confidence in them.
Then they do 'Sheer.com' and the whole thing just gets messy, confusing and over complicated now.

[celandina]

We upload to all major tubes short ( under 15 min) watermarked clips as a traffic generator to our site and in the last 10 years did NOT notice any drop in hits....

[loveinallitsforms69]

Thanks Yanks Todd and Tubevideditor.
Very informative and comprehensive posts!
As Yanks Todd suggested:
Progress not Perfection.

[loveinallitsforms69]

Testing the Tubes

We upload to all major tubes short ( under 15 min) watermarked clips as a traffic generator to our site and in the last 10 years did NOT notice any drop in hits....

Thanks, celandina.
So many facets to this topic.
We could call it Test Tubes!

[tornell]

you can still make good money with tube sites

[fuzebox]

loveinallitsforms69, what is it you do in this industry?

How has no one cried "surfer" yet?

[loveinallitsforms69]

Who is this dude?

loveinallitsforms69, what is it you do in this industry?
How has no one cried "surfer" yet?

Thanks, fuzebox.
From GFY Welcome email:
"Our forum consists of a variety of business people with different personalities and various experience in the adult industry. From newbies to seasoned veterans and top level industry executives, GFY.com is the melting pot of the adult industry. There is always room at GFY.com for you and we want you here!"

As I stated in my registration application, I produce upscaled videos (using Topaz AI) tweaked to the requirements of a given video, but I do this under the radar and I don't make much money at it as it is a time-heavy process. I get joy from doing a good job. I also advise OF content creators on how to increase their site traffic. But I am not a chatter. Yes, compared to many here I am close to a newbie. i also have other interests and like to talk about those things, and that is part of the deal here, too. Hope this helps.

[Yanks_Todd]

loveinallitsforms69, what is it you do in this industry?

How has no one cried "surfer" yet?

Personally I wouldn't care. The topic of someone paying for porn is one I would talk to with the Pope if he was here.

[The Porn Nerd]

Personally I wouldn't care. The topic of someone paying for porn is one I would talk to with the Pope if he was here.

+1

(The Pope may be here who knows, perhaps under the username loveinallitsforms69? LOL)

[Matyko]

the golden era of the (semi-)Illegal tube sites is over. it is dying since 2021. no more stealing content is allowed.

Fixed it for you

[loveinallitsforms69]

Dope on the Pope

(The Pope may be here who knows, perhaps under the username loveinallitsforms69? LOL)

Sorry, I am not the Pope of Porn just yet.

I do not even have enough posts here for permission to send links.

[CurrentlySober]

[loveinallitsforms69]

Whats Going On

Great song! Thanks, CurrentlySober!

[el_mago]

Thanks, fuzebox.
From GFY Welcome email:
"Our forum consists of a variety of business people with different personalities and various experience in the adult industry. From newbies to seasoned veterans and top level industry executives, GFY.com is the melting pot of the adult industry. There is always room at GFY.com for you and we want you here!"

As I stated in my registration application, I screw around with the porn videos I download while surfing (using Topaz AI) tweaked to the requirements of a given video, but I do this under the radar and I don't make much money at it as it is a time-heavy process. I get joy from doing a good job. I also subscribe to OF thots and dm them on how to increase their site traffic while simping. But I am not a fapper. Yes, compared to many here I am close to a newbie. i also have other interests and like to talk about those things, and that is part of the deal here, too. Hope this helps.

You produce what? And advise who? Sounds like we got ourselves... A surfer.

[loveinallitsforms69]

You produce what? And advise who? Sounds like we got ourselves... A surfer.

Thank you for adjusting my application to suit the local narrative.

Sounds like we've got ourselves a turfer.

[loveinallitsforms69]

I am here to try to learn how to set up a website that offers upscaled vintage videos using AI.

So, no, I do not have a website, and yes, I also mentioned that in my emailed application.

Merriam-Webster: Webmaster
A person responsible for the creation or maintenance of a website (especially for a company or organization)

I wish to create a website but I am here to learn some of the ropes. Sorry.

As the OP for this thread, can we go back to informative posts about the role of tube sites?

Thanks.

[el_mago]

Thank you for adjusting my application to suit the local narrative.

Sounds like we've got ourselves a turfer.

You forgot to add three periods...

[el_mago]

I am here to try to learn how to set up a website that offers upscaled vintage videos using AI.

So, no, I do not have a website, and yes, I also mentioned that in my emailed application.

Merriam-Webster: Webmaster
A person responsible for the creation or maintenance of a website (especially for a company or organization)

I wish to create a website but I am here to learn some of the ropes. Sorry.

As the OP for this thread, can we go back to informative posts about the role of tube sites?

Thanks.

Unfortunately since you lied on your gfy application you now have to be banned, sorry...

[loveinallitsforms69]

Thanks.

If GFY can show what I lied about then that is a reasonable action, of course.

[dUbster]

Thanks.

If GFY can show what I lied about then that is a reasonable action, of course.

ignore the troll el_mago

[OneHungLo]

We upload to all major tubes short ( under 15 min) watermarked clips as a traffic generator to our site and in the last 10 years did NOT notice any drop in hits....

What? Wasnt it a year or 2 ago that you were saying you've never uploaded content to the tubes for traffic generation and I was trying to convince you to do so?

.

[The Porn Nerd]

What? Wasnt it a year or 2 ago that you were saying you've never uploaded content to the tubes for traffic generation and I was trying to convince you to do so?

.

He obviously listened.

[fastball]

However illegal tubes still upload my full clips and those tubes are supported by leeches on the biz like The Porn Dude and sadly many dating, cam and ad networks that are given awards by all the main event holders.

The next gen, gen Y has been conditioned via Netflix, HULU and Amazon that you have to pay for content. This bodes well for our industry.

This ^^^^^^^^^

[loveinallitsforms69]

XVideos Next?

Visa and Mastercard Appear to Have Suspended Payments to XVideos

https://fleshbot.com/biz/post/visa-a...ts-to-xvideos/

The site also no longer indicates how many videos it has.

[fastball]

Visa and Mastercard Appear to Have Suspended Payments to XVideos

https://fleshbot.com/biz/post/visa-a...ts-to-xvideos/

The site also no longer indicates how many videos it has.