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  • CurrentlySober
    Too lazy to wipe my ass
    • Aug 2002
    • 38940
    #1

    Ever used something like this to film from your car? (NO, Not a poo...)







    I say 'Something Like This' because I actually want to be able to have my phone in landscape mode, alongside my mirror. That way I can reach it to Start / Stop the recording, and it wont be in my way - Ideally, I'd like a slightly better range of motion than the one above offers - But that's just a cheap one from amazon...

    Dont mind spending cash on something decent, but before I go down a rabbit hole of online recommendations, (based more on the possibility of a sale via an affiliate link, as opposed to a true recommendation) I thought Id ask you lot first !

    Or even just for good 'makes' to look out for...

    Cheers !


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    • fuzebox
      making it rain
      • Oct 2003
      • 22351
      #2
      I have a suction cup mount for my Gopro.

      https://gopro.com/en/us/shop/mounts-...AUCMT-302.html

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        • CurrentlySober
          Too lazy to wipe my ass
          • Aug 2002
          • 38940
          #3
          Originally posted by fuzebox
          I have a suction cup mount for my Gopro.

          https://gopro.com/en/us/shop/mounts-...AUCMT-302.html
          Cheers, but its a phone, not a Gopro...

          Anyhoo, I just ordered this one - UK supplier of the same product from the same manufacture - So I'll give it a try



          Its still a 'Cheapy' - But I cant seem to find anything similar that's more substantial...


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            • fuzebox
              making it rain
              • Oct 2003
              • 22351
              #4
              Originally posted by CurrentlySober
              Cheers, but its a phone, not a Gopro...
              I guess I was answering the question "do you use this to film from your car" with "no, I use this other thing to film from my car".

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                • redwhiteandblue
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                  • Jun 2007
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                  #5
                  I suspect CS that you're going to find that the mirror isn't a good fixing point for something like that.
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                    • DVTimes
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                      • Jun 2003
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                      #6
                      A few points.

                      1. Using your mobile by touching it, can be an offence.
                      2. It looks like it is blocking your window. These days that is an offence. It is why you MUST be carful were you put your dash cam.

                      Are you filming inside or outside your car?

                      If shooting out, or for that matter in, you may find a gopro best. However if your shooting through the window, it will not be great footage. Much better to put the gopro outside the car.
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                        • DVTimes
                          xxx
                          • Jun 2003
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                          #7
                          The other problem if your using your mobile is shake and vibration.

                          But as I say, you may find using that with a mobile is breaking the law as it is covering your window/view.
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                            • DVTimes
                              xxx
                              • Jun 2003
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                              #8
                              Another option is to get a box of cheap clone gopro accessories (about £10) and you will have everything. including a suction cup.

                              They often come with a mobile phone holder too. And that way you can put a phone on your window cheap.

                              You can also find a lot of great gopro alternatives. The quality may not be as good as a gopro, but you will find it is still very good.

                              I have a gopro and 4 gopro alternatives, and I am happy with the alternatives. Plus thge alternatives tend to be lighter. They tend to lack only if your going about on a bike, but in a car they should be fine. You can often find a deal on amazon for 4k ones.
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                                • AmeliaG
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                                  • Jan 2003
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                                  #9
                                  I have a DJI gimbal that has some controls from the handle, so you should be able to do landscape or vertical without hanging out the window. It's only like a hundred and fifty bucks. Fun toy.
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                                    • NatalieK
                                      Natalie K
                                      • Apr 2010
                                      • 20106
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by AmeliaG
                                      I have a DJI gimbal that has some controls from the handle, so you should be able to do landscape or vertical without hanging out the window. It's only like a hundred and fifty bucks. Fun toy.
                                      Likewise, we have this too, the DJI gimbal is great


                                      We use it a lot, it´s especially great for some situations where you need movement.

                                      We used it to film both Gary & I walking down a main road, the first scene for a film. Gary attached the gimbal to a tripod, in free movement "follow me" mode. So as we walked past, the gimbal moved with us walking. Worked amazing
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                                        • CurrentlySober
                                          Too lazy to wipe my ass
                                          • Aug 2002
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                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by fuzebox
                                          I guess I was answering the question "do you use this to film from your car" with "no, I use this other thing to film from my car".


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                                            • CurrentlySober
                                              Too lazy to wipe my ass
                                              • Aug 2002
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                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by DVTimes
                                              A few points.

                                              1. Using your mobile by touching it, can be an offence.
                                              2. It looks like it is blocking your window. These days that is an offence. It is why you MUST be carful were you put your dash cam.
                                              1) Its not 'Touching It' - The offence is for 'Holding It'

                                              It’s illegal to hold and use a phone, sat nav, tablet, or any device that can send or receive data, while driving or riding a motorcycle. This means you must not use a device in your hand for any reason, whether online or offline.
                                              But its OK if its in a...

                                              a dashboard holder or mat
                                              a windscreen mount
                                              2) Of course I dont want it blocking my vision! That's why I want to have it next to my mirror, on the opposite side, at the top of the window - Which is why I have chosen that style of holder

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                                                • CurrentlySober
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                                                  • Aug 2002
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                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by redwhiteandblue
                                                  I suspect CS that you're going to find that the mirror isn't a good fixing point for something like that.


                                                  Well I've been using a suction mount to the windscreen, but it didn't allow enough positioning flexibility. You can see from my test footage screengrab above, that you can still see the suction mount in the top right hand corner, and that's about as 'Straight Ahead' as I could get it to face... So, hopefully the mirror *should* allow me to film 'Straight Ahead' - If it doesn't work, I can send it back... It was only fifteen quid


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                                                    • NatalieK
                                                      Natalie K
                                                      • Apr 2010
                                                      • 20106
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by CurrentlySober
                                                      1) Its not 'Touching It' - The offence is for 'Holding It'

                                                      SOURCE
                                                      TBH, i thought it was using a phone...

                                                      example, you could be filming, but start and stop the filming when stopped with hand brake on.

                                                      Anything that takes your mind or hands from driving´s an offence, hands at 10 & 2


                                                      not sure how it´s ok to see some of these people driving with screaming kids in the car
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                                                        • DVTimes
                                                          xxx
                                                          • Jun 2003
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                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by CurrentlySober
                                                          1) Its not 'Touching It' - The offence is for 'Holding It'



                                                          But its OK if its in a...



                                                          2) Of course I dont want it blocking my vision! That's why I want to have it next to my mirror, on the opposite side, at the top of the window - Which is why I have chosen that style of holder

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                                                          In your link it also states 'and use a phone'.

                                                          https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/...your%20licence.


                                                          You can get an automatic Fixed Penalty Notice if you’re caught using a hand-held phone while driving or riding. You’ll get 6 penalty points on your licence and a fine of £200.

                                                          So if they see you even touch the phone, it can be a problem.
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                                                            • NatalieK
                                                              Natalie K
                                                              • Apr 2010
                                                              • 20106
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by DVTimes
                                                              using a hand-held phone while driving
                                                              this wouldn´t be hand held.


                                                              Although, I agree with you, i believe the law states, you can´t use a phone while driving, therefore, you´d need to start and stop the filming when not driving the vehicle.
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                                                                • redwhiteandblue
                                                                  Bollocks
                                                                  • Jun 2007
                                                                  • 2793
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by DVTimes
                                                                  In your link it also states 'and use a phone'.

                                                                  https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/...your%20licence.


                                                                  You can get an automatic Fixed Penalty Notice if you’re caught using a hand-held phone while driving or riding. You’ll get 6 penalty points on your licence and a fine of £200.

                                                                  So if they see you even touch the phone, it can be a problem.
                                                                  I would ask if you're thick or something but we already know the answer so I'll just point out the bleeding obvious in your own link - "You can get an automatic Fixed Penalty Notice if you’re caught using a hand-held phone".

                                                                  If it's in a fixed phone holder it's not hand-held now, is it?
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                                                                    • CurrentlySober
                                                                      Too lazy to wipe my ass
                                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                                      • 38940
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by redwhiteandblue
                                                                      I would ask if you're thick or something but we already know the answer so I'll just point out the bleeding obvious in your own link - "You can get an automatic Fixed Penalty Notice if you’re caught using a hand-held phone".

                                                                      If it's in a fixed phone holder it's not hand-held now, is it?
                                                                      Thanks for saving me the time to reply

                                                                      I'll post a report & a screengrab from the new holder when it arrives on Sunday...


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                                                                        • DVTimes
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                                                                          • Jun 2003
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                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by redwhiteandblue
                                                                          I would ask if you're thick or something but we already know the answer so I'll just point out the bleeding obvious in your own link - "You can get an automatic Fixed Penalty Notice if you’re caught using a hand-held phone".

                                                                          If it's in a fixed phone holder it's not hand-held now, is it?
                                                                          This chap suggested on one of his vids that simply touching a phone could be criminal.

                                                                          https://www.youtube.com/@BlackBeltBarrister

                                                                          Something to do with laws distracting a driver.

                                                                          his advice was keep your phone off, and if you need to use your phone parked up, to remove your keys. As even having the car not running, but keys in the car could mean your still using it.

                                                                          You have to remember your not just dealing with one law but laws covering distracting a driver and so on.

                                                                          While it is unlikely you will be fined, we know some UK police have fined people from eating an apple while driving.

                                                                          https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-apple.html

                                                                          My understanding it was suggested the person was fined for not being in control over the car. And that is the law they may have you for, for simply touching your mobile. By doing so, they can claim your not in control of your car.

                                                                          While this may be rare, it is worth considering.

                                                                          Also if your involved in a crash, even if not your fault, they may use this device against you, and claim it had some connection to the crash.

                                                                          As I say, your only looking at one law, while other laws also apply.

                                                                          In other words even if it was not illegal to use a mobile phone in any way, other laws still apply to make anything other than driving by the driver a possible offence.
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                                                                            • DVTimes
                                                                              xxx
                                                                              • Jun 2003
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                                                                              A few points he makes in the vid.

                                                                              1. If it is a mobile, then at some point it is hand held, and as such even put into something to hold it, it would be still legally classed as hand held.

                                                                              2. A GoPro because it can connect to wifi could be classed like a mobile.

                                                                              3. The 'distraction' of driving can be applied regardless.

                                                                              In other words I am correct.

                                                                              I thank you.
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                                                                                • NatalieK
                                                                                  Natalie K
                                                                                  • Apr 2010
                                                                                  • 20106
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by NatalieK
                                                                                  this wouldn´t be hand held.


                                                                                  Although, I agree with you, i believe the law states, you can´t use a phone while driving, therefore, you´d need to start and stop the filming when not driving the vehicle.
                                                                                  Originally posted by DVTimes
                                                                                  Something to do with laws distracting a driver.
                                                                                  exactly what i said...

                                                                                  you would need to be with a stationary vehicle to start and stop the phone recording to be within the law...


                                                                                  I would have thought you could be charged with "driving without due care and attention" if seen messing about with the camera phone, even if bolted on one of these holders
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                                                                                    • DVTimes
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                                                                                      • Jun 2003
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                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      I forgot this too, which the gadget could be breaking the law with.

                                                                                      https://www.gov.uk/government/public...en-obscuration

                                                                                      https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/n...ashcam-7445727

                                                                                      4. You can face a £200 fine if the dashcam blocks your view of the road

                                                                                      The Highway Code says that windscreens and windows "must be kept clean and free from obstructions to vision" or you could face a £200 fine and six penalty points on your licence.

                                                                                      When you position your dashcam you need to place it somewhere that does not obstruct your view of the road. If the dashcam hinders your field of vision while driving, the footage recorded may be inadmissible in court in the eventuality of a crash.

                                                                                      So the best place to fit a dashcam is either in the centre at the bottom of the windshield, or behind the rear-view mirror to avoid it obstructing your view while driving.
                                                                                      Do looking at the phone holder, one suspects this is probably going to mean a fine or/and points if the police see it.
                                                                                      XXX

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                                                                                        • candyflip
                                                                                          Carpe Visio
                                                                                          • Jul 2002
                                                                                          • 43069
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Like, but mine holds an actual camera.

                                                                                          https://www.amazon.com/CAMTREE-Profe.../dp/B00JE3W0VQ

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                                                                                            • CurrentlySober
                                                                                              Too lazy to wipe my ass
                                                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                                                              • 38940
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Well it arrived - Not terrible... Phone is right up alongside the far side of my mirror, so no obstruction issues.

                                                                                              I gave it a brief test by driving the same route I drove the other day - The top pics are from the original fixed stand - The 2nd pics are from the new 'Mirror' attached version - Obviously not the exact same shots, as diff days diff weather etc, but the new one at least points forward and not to the right and up in the air...






















                                                                                              I think those last 2 pics demonstrate it the best - No 'sucker' visible at the top right and its looking straight ahead, instead of looking over to the right...

                                                                                              I think this is gonna do the job I need nicely ! Cheers


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                                                                                                • DVTimes
                                                                                                  xxx
                                                                                                  • Jun 2003
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by CurrentlySober
                                                                                                  Well it arrived - Not terrible... Phone is right up alongside the far side of my mirror, so no obstruction issues.
                                                                                                  While you feel it is fine, this could be sufficient for a police person to charge you.

                                                                                                  I suspect it will not happen, but you never know.

                                                                                                  People with small speed cameras have been fined even though they thought it was safe place.

                                                                                                  I know this from having a police chap tell me to move my speed camera last year, mine is now behind my mirror.

                                                                                                  And a camera is much larger than a speed camera, and it just takes one police person who has nothing else to do be a pain.

                                                                                                  A few months ago my mates dog was sat on the front seat of my car doing nothing, that got me the old blue lights too, with a big lecture on how big a fine could have got, but he let me off with a warning.

                                                                                                  I tend to get stopped a lot so I tend to urge on the side of caution.

                                                                                                  The problem too is these days they ask you if you have ID, and I often wonder if they mean, oh look officer that £20 is not mine, did you drop it.
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                                                                                                    • NatalieK
                                                                                                      Natalie K
                                                                                                      • Apr 2010
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                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by DVTimes
                                                                                                      could be sufficient for a police person to charge you.
                                                                                                      look at you trying to be all diplomatic...


                                                                                                      why not just say "the police to charge" or "a police officer", but then this would narrow the point to officers and not others like police sergeants or inspectors


                                                                                                      anyway, as long as it doesn´t obstruct our Currently poo lover´s vision, should be alright.




                                                                                                      this is wrong
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                                                                                                        • DVTimes
                                                                                                          xxx
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                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by NatalieK
                                                                                                          look at you trying to be all diplomatic...


                                                                                                          why not just say "the police to charge" or "a police officer", but then this would narrow the point to officers and not others like police sergeants or inspectors


                                                                                                          anyway, as long as it doesn´t obstruct our Currently poo lover´s vision, should be alright.




                                                                                                          this is wrong
                                                                                                          Gary, you seem to be giving him legal advise.

                                                                                                          As such, you could be open to being sued for compensation, if he is stopped and charged by the police. Or indeed anyone is.

                                                                                                          It is very brave of you to give legal advise when your not legally trained to.

                                                                                                          Sorry, I have no idea what this means. I have read it a few times Gary, but it seems to just be nonsense. Perhaps in your head it sounded clever.

                                                                                                          why not just say "the police to charge" or "a police officer", but then this would narrow the point to officers and not others like police sergeants or inspectors
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                                                                                                            • NatalieK
                                                                                                              Natalie K
                                                                                                              • Apr 2010
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by DVTimes
                                                                                                              Natalie, you seem to be giving him legal advise.

                                                                                                              As such, you could be open to being sued for compensation, if he is stopped and charged by the police. Or indeed anyone is.

                                                                                                              It is very brave of you to give legal advise when your not legally trained to.
                                                                                                              You keep going with negative BS, you never read my posts correctly and make your own sound wrong too....


                                                                                                              I said "should", not "is"...

                                                                                                              i´ll repeat my comment for you, as long as he has an unobstructed view, he SHOULD be ok...




                                                                                                              now, no one mentioned advice or to take my word for it, did they...


                                                                                                              now stop being a twat and get on with spamming your sig with more BS posts
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                                                                                                                • CurrentlySober
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                                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  No one is going to see it anyway - I've had my windscreen professionally tinted to a very dark shade - I can see out (just) but the police cunt see in, so I'm not worried about anyone seeing it


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                                                                                                                    • DVTimes
                                                                                                                      xxx
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by CurrentlySober
                                                                                                                      No one is going to see it anyway - I've had my windscreen professionally tinted to a very dark shade - I can see out (just) but the police cunt see in, so I'm not worried about anyone seeing it

                                                                                                                      Now that is probably illegal.

                                                                                                                      I think the law does not allow you to darken the windows.
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                                                                                                                        • DVTimes
                                                                                                                          xxx
                                                                                                                          • Jun 2003
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles...side%20windows

                                                                                                                          The law requires that the windows on the vehicle allow at least:

                                                                                                                          75 per cent of light through the front windscreen
                                                                                                                          70 per cent of light through the front side windows
                                                                                                                          In most modern vehicles there is a slight tint added to the windows when they are made. If you add any more tint it’s likely to result in the windows failing to meet the legal requirements.

                                                                                                                          The rules on tinted windows don’t apply to the rear windscreen or the rear passenger windows.
                                                                                                                          https://www.gov.uk/tinted-vehicle-window-rules
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                                                                                                                            • CurrentlySober
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                                                                                                                              • Aug 2002
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by DVTimes
                                                                                                                              Now that is probably illegal.
                                                                                                                              I think the law does not allow you to darken the windows.
                                                                                                                              Bit racist that, innit?


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                                                                                                                                • CurrentlySober
                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to wipe my ass
                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  The law requires that the windows on the vehicle allow at least:

                                                                                                                                  75 per cent of light through the front windscreen
                                                                                                                                  70 per cent of light through the front side windows
                                                                                                                                  In most modern vehicles there is a slight tint added to the windows when they are made. If you add any more tint it’s likely to result in the windows failing to meet the legal requirements.

                                                                                                                                  The rules on tinted windows don’t apply to the rear windscreen or the rear passenger windows.
                                                                                                                                  Yers, the keyword is 'Through' - I doesn't state in what direction. I have an extremely bright light (one of those high powered LED torches) which I keep in the car - Should I be stopped, I simply shine the torch from inside the car, and its clearly visible (over 75%) to the office outside my car - Simples...


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                                                                                                                                    • CurrentlySober
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                                                                                                                                      Anyway, the bloke called Dave who tinted em for me, in his lockup garage down by the railway, said that its probably ok, and who isn't gonna trust a guy called Dave?


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                                                                                                                                        • DVTimes
                                                                                                                                          xxx
                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2003
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                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by CurrentlySober
                                                                                                                                          Yers, the keyword is 'Through' - I doesn't state in what direction. I have an extremely bright light (one of those high powered LED torches) which I keep in the car - Should I be stopped, I simply shine the torch from inside the car, and its clearly visible (over 75%) to the office outside my car - Simples...
                                                                                                                                          My understanding if they cannot see in, then your done for.

                                                                                                                                          I think at one time you could do the side windows. but because people did, the effect was the front even without tint became dark (I used to do this in the 90's).

                                                                                                                                          But because people did this the side windows are now illegal.

                                                                                                                                          If the police see blacked out windows, I would suspect you will see the blue flashing lights, and tell you to go to court to fight it. And when you do the judge will find your wasting the courts time, and you will end up paying court costs.
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                                                                                                                                            • DVTimes
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by CurrentlySober
                                                                                                                                              Anyway, the bloke called Dave who tinted em for me, in his lockup garage down by the railway, said that its probably ok, and who isn't gonna trust a guy called Dave?
                                                                                                                                              I have a feeling your having us on about the windows tinted.

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                                                                                                                                                • NatalieK
                                                                                                                                                  Natalie K
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  rear windows and passenger windows, like quarter panels and rear doors can be as dark as, Couldn´t see in at all on our skyline...

                                                                                                                                                  The front windscreen must let at least 75% of light through and the front side windows must let at least 70% of light through as quoted by DVLA...

                                                                                                                                                  that´s light into your vehicle


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