no i dont. you havent answered my questions.

By re-reading my posts and doing your own research the answer to all of the last questions you asked will be answered. The end.

ok....i'll try to explain this clearly.

i already know the answers!!! i've done my research and your posts dont tell me shit, so i was wanting to know your views.
but hey, if that's too much to ask i'll just leave it alone.

What the hell...

Sorry...never seen it...but then again I usually ignore most commercials.

I do not recall (you can do research yourself] the break down. Most crimes are committed while "under the influence" be it illegal drugs or alcohol.

Of course...through the use of various tests...and there are multiple tests.

At 20% which is a high percentage...yes.

Yeah, can you share your data!?


hard to believe...

here some stats:
"In 1996, for instance, 30 people were killed with handguns in Great Britain, 106 in Canada and 211 in Germany. In the U.S., 9,390 died this way. In Japan,15. "

http://www.jointogether.org/gv/issues/problem/global/


"An illuminating study published in The New England Journal of Medicine compared crime rates of Seattle, Washington and neighboring Vancouver, British Columbia from 1980 to 1986. The cities are fraternal twins-residents' incomes, education and ethnic backgrounds are almost identical; they watch the same TV channels. Overall crime rates were almost the same in the studied period; existing gun laws were strictly enforced in both cities. But the rate of assaults involving firearms was seven times higher in Seattle, and the risk of being murdered by a handgun 4.8 times higher. Why? Because Vancouver's gun restrictions were far more stringent and firearm ownership was lower, the researchers concluded."'

http://www.mediacoalition.org/report...eal_causes.htm



But hey, they are anti-gun websites... so the datas are probably falsified....!??

Having alot of personal experience with this whole thing. From assisting to make it legal in california, to being dissabled myself and finding out long ago that it was one of the only things I could use. For everyones information a doctor first told me behind closed doors to try pot since nothing else was working, this was before it was made "legal".

I am not gunna tackle each little and often way off point made so far, just one of the first.

There are not "prescription drugs" that work as well or better. Go ahead whip out google, find some drugs that cause you to eat more that have very few harmful side effects. Also find some that relieve nausea at the same time. Cmon...

Marijuana is the DEA's cashcow, without it being illegal they would have no budget and the US would have no signifigant drug problem in sheer numbers. Crack, heroin, meth, coke, x, opium, you name it is a minor percentage of the drug numbers. If you tossed out pot it would be laughable.

Making it legal for any reason would kill so many jobs that it would shock the economy. We are not talking about just DEA jobs or their huge budget. You have local task forces, sherrif offices, school programs, ad budgets, prison space and costs, state and city police, district attornies, court fines, mandatory treatment facilities and many more things all funded by pot use.

The best part of course is the fuzzy logic and stupidity they use. The keep hemp illegal cause it would make it hard for law enforcement to figure out what is pot and what is legal hemp. Yet they fail to relize that if hemp production was legal it would harm the outdoor and even many indoor growing operations with cross pollenation thus weakening the strains of pot.

Next - testing.

Sure it is easy to find that criminals have pot in their system, same with car wrecks, DUI's, you name it. Hell the answer is right under everyones noses.

Check and see how long each test checks for and how long it stays in your system as traceable.

Coke, short time.

Meth, short time.

Shrooms/acid. not to long.

Pot, 30-45 days.

Hmm smoke a joint today, get in a wreck in a week or a fight and well when they test you, you are now a marijuana statistic regarding the number of offenses pot users comit.

Gateway drug.

Marijuana as a gateway drug is just a myth, ask nearly any hard drug user which they had first, pot, alchohol, or nicotine.

i rather would like to see pot legal even though i wont ever get near that shit ever! what irritates me is the people who claim that its not unhealty to use. and why would you keep comparing it to cigarettes and alcohol? they fuck you up as well, maybe not as much, but depends on the amount of the consumption.

Safety-

Nobody has ever overdosed on marijuana. Period! Only case history of such incident was a rat that was injected with pure THC straight into its brain. Matter of note this was many years before science knew how to extract the THC from pot, thus what was in the injection is purely unknown.

Nicotine is highly toxic, can be easily overdosed on and is legal.

Nearly all common prescription drugs are full of side effects many that can result in death and they are all legal.

Asprin which would never even pass FDA approval today can be highly fatal, damages young kids, sends tons of people to the hospital each year, and is entirely for the most part unregulated.

Alcohol which is the number 1 gateway drug, aside from its easy to see side effects that kill others. It can be fatal by overdose, destroys the liver and other organs, yet is legal to all adults.

thats not really an appropriate response.

in this case i guess we are just looking at the type of people in our societies.

as an australian i feel safe to live in a society where the number of murders is minimal. why is america such a fucked up society? why are the crime rates so high?

guns dont kill people. people with guns kill people.

and if u want to look up the stats for violent crimes without guns and compare it against australia then please do so.

Reason pot was made illegal in the first place.

To keep white women away from black jazz players and mexican workers.

The congressional hearing took less than 30 minutes, keep in mind it was also done in the old congress building when there was no AC, no real fans etc. During the middle of summer.

Doctors spoke to keep it legal for medical use. Another scientiest who said he smoked it once to test its effects, told congress that he went insane with lust and madness, grew wings and flew about the room. This was the expert testomony.

Became illegal from then on, with the exception that bird feed suppliers could still use the seeds in their food, since nothing gives feathers such a shine as the seeds from this plant.


The current laws still are used to target minorities. Since marijuana is a class 1 narcotic it has some harsh ones at that. Wonderful fact is the mandatory minimum for a federal pot case is 10 years to life. You get less time if you kill or rape someone.

I assume the 10 years to life is for dealing and not using.

Any federal pot case, from possession to dealing to growing.

Person in texas sitting in jail right now on a 10-life for possession of a single joint.

Another in california for having a medical prescription, busted for growing for himself (not enough for distribution) 10 to life.


Personally beat a federal charge myself for conspiracy when helping with the medical marijuana laws in california, was looking at 10 - life. I never sold any, never possessed enough to sell, this was just because I was organizing patients together to form a co-op that was backed by our local sheriff.

edited for a little detail.

Well...with those kind of penalties...consider me deterred. Is it, or is it not true, that THC can be and is medically prescribed and is it, or is it not true, that THC is the most important, if not the only theraputic ingredient contained in MJ?

Did the California case fall under the three strikes law?

THC is the primary, there are many other secondary. Keep in mind legit medical testing on each compound is not permitted in the US. Scientists are forbidden grants or access to cannabis. Unless they are doing a study to show its harmfull effects. Other studies will not be finished. Check the studies during the Nixon Admin.

No one prescribes THC that is not synthetic. They do prescribe marinol, which is synthetic thc. It is taken orally which does not help those with nausea (they will throw it back up), takes up to an hour to kick in, does not really help much with appetite, and most importantly you can overdose on it and die. Which for shits and giggles if you take one, then throw it up 10 minutes latter you can not take another for risk of the overdose.

Companies are not permitted to extract THC nor distribute it, etc. It is a class 1 narcotic, meaning no medical use. Coke is a class 2.

No it was purely a pot case. The judge has no choice in giving less than 10 years if it is a federal case.

By the way in that case he was not allowed to disclose in court that he had AIDS or had a medical need or prescription, that was dissallowed. Since it supposidly had no bearing on him cultivating it.

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Grown legally in California.

And I'm smoking it right now.

GROW.

:glugglug

I think marijuana should be legal as long as there is a form of regulation. There is just to many people in this country that don't want to see that happen. Most of them are ignorant towards the facts, never smoked marijuana, didn't like it if they did happen to try it. I think in a number of given years it will become legal the margine of pro-marijuana/ anti-marijuana people is becoming slimer. Its only a matter of time before pro out-weighs the anti. I can't really see the point in trying to make the united states look like a prision based on this, there is just more people that don't like marijuana in this point in time.

Any study I see reguarding marijuana always results in:

pro 30%-40%
anti 60%-70%

Depending on what exactly the marijuana issue is.

Those are the numbers that the people in office care about. They want to act in favor of the majority. If the percentages where flipped the progress of legalization would be further along without a doubt in my mind. Those people in office only want power and the power comes from majority. Granted there are many issues that come before marijuana all little things count in the factor.

My biggest bitch is that a larger percentage of the anti actually vote and voice towards studies, opposed to the pro.

The best argument against legalization that I've ever heard suprisingly came from a lesbian... LOL she pointed out that weed doesn't benefit everyone that uses it... if people have problems with the drug -- then the system has to care for them...

The world doesn't really have much room for people that use their brain anyway -- for anything other than to pay taxes... besides a world full of "enlightened" people that think the answer to life is personal sacrifice, mutual respect, spiritual development, etc. -- well that just wouldn't be good for the economy :p

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Nothing to worry about.

Ten years ago it was pro 15%, anti 85%, in a few more it'll be pro 50-60%, anti 50%-40%

It's hard to believe how anti civil liberties a lot of adult webmasters are.

If the argument is that marijuana is harmful to the individual, and that there's a risk of illness/death, and therefore it should be illegal... well, first, you'd be wrong. But second, isn't there an innate risk in having sex with people? Particularly strangers? Isn't that how we make our money? The idea is that we're all consenting adults, capable of making our own decisions. If you want to educate people on the risks of drug use, fine, but incarceration is something entirely different.

If the argument is that marijuana is harmful to others... well, many would argue that porn is harmful to others. Again, I'd disagree, but as long as we keep both porn and pot within our own homes, no harm is done, correct? I won't smoke pot and drive, and likewise I won't jerk off and drive!

If the argument is that marijuana is harmless, but that the law should still be respected... well, isn't obscenity illegal? If you feel that strongly about staying well within the boundaries of established law, aren't you in a gray area by being in this industry?

I don't understand how you can press for marijuana criminalization as an adult webmaster and not be a bit hypocritical.

Although, for the record, I do respect both sides of this debate, even if I strongly disagree with one of them.

i cant find murder rates for australia, but the states has the second highest after russia.

but i did find this
http://www.nrawinningteam.com/auresult.html

murder rates actually increased. in britain since the ban on handguns in 97, violent crime has increased 40%.

how do you explain that?

just more evidence that a shitload of webmasters are dumbass hicks

why don't you compare population numbers vs. handgun deaths for different countries

and then list which countries have the highest ratio of gun problems

would be very revealing I'm sure

and would blow the flimsy arguments of many people right out of the water

:1orglaugh

i don't have time to go searching for stuff. but its safe to say that more strict gun laws make the world a safer place for criminals.

one thing i noticed is a lot of asian countries have much lower crime rates. i'm not sure exactly why that is but i believe it comes down to their culture where its more group oriented and based more on respect for one another. so i believe if you want to combat crime you don't make it less risky for criminals, you try to change the values of your population which takes a lot of time and effort.

weak

:1orglaugh

i have too much studying to do.

but you're quite happy to post without any basis in facts

:1orglaugh

I actually agree with this. I'm not a fan of guns, and I don't believe guns make us safer... but I don't believe the action of getting rid of guns will make us safer, either. We have a cultural problem, not a hardware problem. Until we change our culture of fear and revenge, murder and violent crime rates will never decrease.

what can i say iguana. the pommys are insane criminals. :1orglaugh

america has some serious problems then. and it will keep getting worse and worse.

The saddest part about this has nothing to do with whether pot is "good" or "bad" for you. It's about respecting the will of the people in a democracy. The PEOPLE of California and several other states went out and voted for something, and now the Feds are nullifying that vote by any means necessary. THAT is what makes this so offensive.

Drug warriors have no respect for democracy, the will of the people, state's rights, or common sense. They are only concerned with perpetrating a failed drug war. The same war that they all make a living off of.

:2 cents:

Nice.

It's only a matter of time.

The young will ALWAYS outlive the old.

until then, Join The Team.

http://www.overgrow.net

what are you stupid?

can you not read?

can you not see what i posted?

can you not use the internet to search for per capita crimes rates and statistics?

do you have your head up your ass?

why should i search for stuff that i already know about when you're too lazy to do it yourself and also too stupid to comprehend the meaning of anything you read?

you stopped studying to post this drivel?

:1orglaugh

whats a pommy? my australian slang isn't the best :winkwink:

so you're saying there's no connection between:

UK

population of around 60 million

around 100 gun deaths a year

guns *totally* illegal


USA

population of around 300 million

around 25,000 gun deaths a year

very lax gun laws



if you can't see a pattern there, all the studying in the world won't help you

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

it takes a couple seconds to post that. it takes minutes to search and read through different sites with stats....

what do you have an 100 iq or something?

look into the changes in crime and murder rates for before and after strict gun laws have been put in place. various different states, UK and australia have all brought in more strict gun laws in the past decade.

the states have always had a high murder rate. thats really nothing new.