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  • Tagir
    Confirmed User
    • Nov 2005
    • 441

    #1

    Adult affiliate programs that raise the minimum payout so not to pay

    Now everything is selling very badly, but they deliberately raise the minimum payout in order not to make a payment, because many webmasters simply will not reach it!

    $100 has always been the standard! I suggest making a list of these affiliate programs!

    caramelcash.com - raised to $500

    sexmexcash.com - raised to $300 (these guys have never paid on time, always had to extort money from them for months.)
  • kuprum
    Affiliate-Programs.Biz
    • Oct 2016
    • 17914

    #2
    https://www.affiliate-programs.biz/full-list/

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    • fuzebox
      making it rain
      • Oct 2003
      • 22351

      #3
      I don't think anyone raises their minimum "not to pay", they raise their minimum because issuing small payments is a pain in the ass.

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      • Klen
        • Aug 2006
        • 32235

        #4
        Originally posted by fuzebox
        I don't think anyone raises their minimum "not to pay", they raise their minimum because issuing small payments is a pain in the ass.
        Why pain in the ass? Is it so hard to write 50$ in internet banking/paxum/whatever instead 500$ ? Lol

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        • todservices
          Confirmed User
          • Mar 2014
          • 472

          #5
          Originally posted by fuzebox
          I don't think anyone raises their minimum "not to pay", they raise their minimum because issuing small payments is a pain in the ass.
          they raise minimum DEFINITELY to avoid paying those affiliates who they KNOW will never reach $300 or $500

          Making a $100 payment on Paxum is easy and takes the exact same time as doing a $500 payment

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          • brassmonkey
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            • DVTimes
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              • Jun 2003
              • 31658

              #7
              Originally posted by Tagir
              Now everything is selling very badly, but they deliberately raise the minimum payout in order not to make a payment, because many webmasters simply will not reach it!

              $100 has always been the standard! I suggest making a list of these affiliate programs!

              caramelcash.com - raised to $500

              sexmexcash.com - raised to $300 (these guys have never paid on time, always had to extort money from them for months.)
              At one point it used to be $50 or even $0.

              Some still pay whatever you make.

              I have seen one that min was $1000.

              Then some will ask for docs to prove who you.
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              • SpicyM
                Confirmed User
                • Aug 2006
                • 4575

                #8
                Originally posted by todservices
                Making a $100 payment on Paxum is easy and takes the exact same time as doing a $500 payment

                Making 50 payments of $100 takes much longer than making 10 payments of $500 to affiliates with significant traffic. Not to mention that those 50 tiny payouts must be recorder in accounting, which again means extra work that costs the company extra money.
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                • Klen
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 32235

                  #9
                  Originally posted by SpicyM
                  Making 50 payments of $100 takes much longer than making 10 payments of $500 to affiliates with significant traffic. Not to mention that those 50 tiny payouts must be recorder in accounting, which again means extra work that costs the company extra money.
                  It does cost extra accounting, but not that big to make it too big cost.
                  And when you do mass payment, all you had to do is to add extra line as usually most of modern payment systems support mass payment.

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                  • mainstreammix
                    Make GFY Great Again
                    • May 2022
                    • 11191

                    #10
                    Originally posted by SpicyM
                    Making 50 payments of $100 takes much longer than making 10 payments of $500 to affiliates with significant traffic. Not to mention that those 50 tiny payouts must be recorder in accounting, which again means extra work that costs the company extra money.
                    So much apologizing for complete nonsense. I've paid people 7 days per week before, scripts make that take zero effort.
                    Stop asking me about AI, the answer is yes.

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                    • SpicyM
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                      • Aug 2006
                      • 4575

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Klen
                      It does cost extra accounting, but not that big to make it too big cost.
                      And when you do mass payment, all you had to do is to add extra line as usually most of modern payment systems support mass payment.

                      You might be right, haven't used Paxum for years and don't plan to use it again. Wire is much more better and hassle free, despite the cost.

                      But then dealing with small affiliates with tiny traffic is again time consuming, so that might be the reason why they raise the minimum - to simply deter those not worth the time. A large amount of small affiliates means more time spent answering their questions, more time spent checking their sites if they are legit, more time spent preparing promo content for them... only to find out that they are feasting on my site name in Google search results to promote their cam sponsors and sell traffic while having pirated content on their shitty tubes.

                      If I had an affiliate program, I would set the minimum to $500 as well.
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                      • nikki99
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                        #12
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                        • brassmonkey
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                          • Sep 2005
                          • 77396

                          #13
                          Originally posted by nikki99
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                          • fuzebox
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                            • Oct 2003
                            • 22351

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Klen
                            It does cost extra accounting, but not that big to make it too big cost.
                            And when you do mass payment, all you had to do is to add extra line as usually most of modern payment systems support mass payment.
                            I wasn't trying to argue how much time it could take to do small payments, I was correcting the OP that programs are not setting higher minimums for the purpose of stealing dozens of dollars from tiny affiliates.

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                            • fuzebox
                              making it rain
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 22351

                              #15
                              Originally posted by SpicyM
                              But then dealing with small affiliates with tiny traffic is again time consuming, so that might be the reason why they raise the minimum - to simply deter those not worth the time. A large amount of small affiliates means more time spent answering their questions, more time spent checking their sites if they are legit, more time spent preparing promo content for them... only to find out that they are feasting on my site name in Google search results to promote their cam sponsors and sell traffic while having pirated content on their shitty tubes.

                              If I had an affiliate program, I would set the minimum to $500 as well.
                              Exactly

                              Affiliate programs used to have a level of scale where it made sense to issue a large amount of small payments, and high margins to eat the cost. Nowadays if someone sends 3 sales and demands a $50 payout, they are usually wasting your time.

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                              • brassmonkey
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                                • Sep 2005
                                • 77396

                                #16
                                Originally posted by fuzebox
                                Exactly

                                Affiliate programs used to have a level of scale where it made sense to issue a large amount of small payments, and high margins to eat the cost. Nowadays if someone sends 3 sales and demands a $50 payout, they are usually wasting your time.
                                yeah gamma is wasting their time. LOL @ tiny affiliates.
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                                • plsureking
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                                  • Aug 2003
                                  • 4903

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Klen
                                  It does cost extra accounting, but not that big to make it too big cost.
                                  And when you do mass payment, all you had to do is to add extra line as usually most of modern payment systems support mass payment.
                                  yo Klen! when are you going to add a like button?

                                  a reply isn't always necessary when a like will do lol

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                                  • Klen
                                    • Aug 2006
                                    • 32235

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by plsureking
                                    yo Klen! when are you going to add a like button?

                                    a reply isn't always necessary when a like will do lol

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                                    That's not my department

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                                    • k0nr4d
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Aug 2006
                                      • 9231

                                      #19
                                      While it's shitty for smaller affiliates, it absolutely makes sense from a financial point of view. It's not to not-pay smaller affiliates - it's to scare them off entirely. You signed up with a smaller min payout, but there are others that will still sign up, see that and just not send traffic.

                                      My accountant wanted to know how many documents I produce a month and priced me out based on that. If I suddenly had to produce 10x the documents because I was doing $50 instead of $500 payouts, it would be much more expensive. Plus the payout fees, I think you have to pay paxum $1 per transaction as a business (also wire fees for instance if you are doing bank transfers etc), Plus the additional labor of doing that many more payouts (more staff hours) etc and the fact that an affiliate that brings in only enough sales to meet a $50 minimum every 3 months isn't really making the program any money - they'd rather focus on larger affiliates making more sales, contacting them, asking what they need to make even more sales...
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                                      • Denny
                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                        • Feb 2005
                                        • 17389

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by k0nr4d
                                        Plus the payout fees, I think you have to pay paxum $1 per transaction as a business (also wire fees for instance if you are doing bank transfers etc),
                                        Programs usually charge these fees to the affiliate.

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                                        • Denny
                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                          • Feb 2005
                                          • 17389

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Klen
                                          It does cost extra accounting, but not that big to make it too big cost.
                                          And when you do mass payment, all you had to do is to add extra line as usually most of modern payment systems support mass payment.

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                                          • Klen
                                            • Aug 2006
                                            • 32235

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by k0nr4d
                                            While it's shitty for smaller affiliates, it absolutely makes sense from a financial point of view. It's not to not-pay smaller affiliates - it's to scare them off entirely. You signed up with a smaller min payout, but there are others that will still sign up, see that and just not send traffic.

                                            My accountant wanted to know how many documents I produce a month and priced me out based on that. If I suddenly had to produce 10x the documents because I was doing $50 instead of $500 payouts, it would be much more expensive. Plus the payout fees, I think you have to pay paxum $1 per transaction as a business (also wire fees for instance if you are doing bank transfers etc), Plus the additional labor of doing that many more payouts (more staff hours) etc and the fact that an affiliate that brings in only enough sales to meet a $50 minimum every 3 months isn't really making the program any money - they'd rather focus on larger affiliates making more sales, contacting them, asking what they need to make even more sales...
                                            Get a new accountant, problem solved So looks like the root of this problem is using overpriced accountants

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                                            • The Porn Nerd
                                              Living The Dream
                                              • Jun 2009
                                              • 19784

                                              #23
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                                              • plsureking
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                                                • Aug 2003
                                                • 4903

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Klen
                                                That's not my department


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                                                • NatalieK
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                                                  • Apr 2010
                                                  • 20106

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by fuzebox
                                                  I don't think anyone raises their minimum "not to pay", they raise their minimum because issuing small payments is a pain in the ass.
                                                  Originally posted by Klen
                                                  Why pain in the ass? Is it so hard to write 50$ in internet banking/paxum/whatever instead 500$ ? Lol
                                                  TBH, not even that kind of hassle, isn´t it computerized?

                                                  I think the billing companies have the fault, they up their payment processing costs
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                                                  • NatalieK
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                                                    • Apr 2010
                                                    • 20106

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Denny
                                                    Programs usually charge these fees to the affiliate.
                                                    i´ve always paid the billing fees as a program, and most programs I am with pay the billing fee, the only fee´s I end up paying is banking fees and not the processing as an affiliate
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                                                    • Denny
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                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                      • 17389

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by NatalieK
                                                      i´ve always paid the billing fees as a program, and most programs I am with pay the billing fee, the only fee´s I end up paying is banking fees and not the processing as an affiliate
                                                      I don't mean billing fees, I mean fees involved when affiliates get paid by Paxum, bank wire etc.

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                                                      • k0nr4d
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                                                        • Aug 2006
                                                        • 9231

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Klen
                                                        Get a new accountant, problem solved So looks like the root of this problem is using overpriced accountants
                                                        What about stuff like wire fees? I've seen USD wires cost from $20 to even $50. It's not like in europe where we pay 50 cents.
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                                                        • digitalfantasies
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                                                          • Sep 2010
                                                          • 2759

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by k0nr4d
                                                          What about stuff like wire fees? I've seen USD wires cost from $20 to even $50. It's not like in europe where we pay 50 cents.
                                                          But the cost of transaction/wire fees is for the affiliate, right?

                                                          If not, I've been screwed for years lol

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                                                          • martinandrews
                                                            Registered User
                                                            • Oct 2021
                                                            • 4

                                                            #30
                                                            MyFreeSexStore.com affiliate program is 200.00 before a payout.

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                                                            • brassmonkey
                                                              Pay It Forward
                                                              • Sep 2005
                                                              • 77396

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by digitalfantasies
                                                              But the cost of transaction/wire fees is for the affiliate, right?

                                                              If not, I've been screwed for years lol
                                                              some of the bigger places dont rip affiliates
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                                                              • fuzebox
                                                                making it rain
                                                                • Oct 2003
                                                                • 22351

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                                yeah gamma is wasting their time.
                                                                The largest paysite affiliate program still operating in the industry. Great example.

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                                                                • brassmonkey
                                                                  Pay It Forward
                                                                  • Sep 2005
                                                                  • 77396

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by fuzebox
                                                                  The largest paysite affiliate program still operating in the industry. Great example.
                                                                  they pay when you earn no bullshit. your share is your share. no bitching about how small the amount like you don't have a right to claim your money LOL you trippin!
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                                                                  • LeRoy
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                                                                    • Jul 2007
                                                                    • 13364

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Some affiliate programs don't like working with the little guys. They bitch and complain on the boards and this is an example of that. They just want to work with the whale affiliates. Sad but true.
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                                                                    • brassmonkey
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by LeRoy
                                                                      Some affiliate programs don't like working with the little guys. They bitch and complain on the boards and this is an example of that. They just want to work with the whale affiliates. Sad but true.
                                                                      well let them close the fucking doors. you call it bitching demanding what is owed?? wow
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                                                                      • LeRoy
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                                                                        • Jul 2007
                                                                        • 13364

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                                        well let them close the fucking doors. you call it bitching demanding what is owed?? wow
                                                                        They're not my programs. I'm just telling it how it is. I've met with these types of program owners at shows too. You should know me by now monkey.. I'm not the type to sugar coat shit!
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                                                                        • AMDWarrior
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                                                                          • Nov 2006
                                                                          • 1488

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Tagir
                                                                          Now everything is selling very badly, but they deliberately raise the minimum payout in order not to make a payment, because many webmasters simply will not reach it!

                                                                          $100 has always been the standard! I suggest making a list of these affiliate programs!

                                                                          caramelcash.com - raised to $500

                                                                          sexmexcash.com - raised to $300 (these guys have never paid on time, always had to extort money from them for months.)



                                                                          You have no idea what you're talking about..lol

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                                                                          • brassmonkey
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by LeRoy
                                                                            They're not my programs. I'm just telling it how it is. I've met with these types of program owners at shows too. You should know me by now monkey.. I'm not the type to sugar coat shit!
                                                                            i did not say you sugar coated anything...
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                                                                            • LeRoy
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                                                                              • Jul 2007
                                                                              • 13364

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                                              i did not say you sugar coated anything...
                                                                              Ok then stfu! Why bother to respond to me? You know I don't like you. Get to steppin! Go fuck off!
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                                                                              • brassmonkey
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by LeRoy
                                                                                Ok then stfu! Why bother to respond to me? You know I don't like you. Get to steppin! Go fuck off!
                                                                                why are you responding? hot tempered as usual
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                                                                                • emmasexytime
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                                                                                  • Jan 2015
                                                                                  • 4512

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by k0nr4d
                                                                                  While it's shitty for smaller affiliates, it absolutely makes sense from a financial point of view. It's not to not-pay smaller affiliates - it's to scare them off entirely. You signed up with a smaller min payout, but there are others that will still sign up, see that and just not send traffic.

                                                                                  My accountant wanted to know how many documents I produce a month and priced me out based on that. If I suddenly had to produce 10x the documents because I was doing $50 instead of $500 payouts, it would be much more expensive. Plus the payout fees, I think you have to pay paxum $1 per transaction as a business (also wire fees for instance if you are doing bank transfers etc), Plus the additional labor of doing that many more payouts (more staff hours) etc and the fact that an affiliate that brings in only enough sales to meet a $50 minimum every 3 months isn't really making the program any money - they'd rather focus on larger affiliates making more sales, contacting them, asking what they need to make even more sales...
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                                                                                  • Klen
                                                                                    • Aug 2006
                                                                                    • 32235

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by k0nr4d
                                                                                    What about stuff like wire fees? I've seen USD wires cost from $20 to even $50. It's not like in europe where we pay 50 cents.
                                                                                    Cost of wire is passed on affiliate so not really a reason for high minimum. Tho in this case i would apply minimum by myself since it would be pointless to pay 50$ fee for a amount less then 500$ .

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                                                                                    • k0nr4d
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Aug 2006
                                                                                      • 9231

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by emmasexytime
                                                                                      you don't have an affiliate program do you?
                                                                                      I'm planning to fire one up soon
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                                                                                      • Denny
                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                        • Feb 2005
                                                                                        • 17389

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Of course it doesn't make sense to have $50 minimum when wire fee is $20-$40. Most programs have different minimum for wire (higher) than for Paxum for example.

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                                                                                        • LeRoy
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                                                                                          • Jul 2007
                                                                                          • 13364

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                                                          why are you responding? hot tempered as usual
                                                                                          Nah.When it comes to affiliate programs. You're just dumb as fuck and it shows. Stick to what you're good at..trolling. How many awards do you have for that now?
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                                                                                          • brassmonkey
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by LeRoy
                                                                                            Nah.When it comes to affiliate programs. You're just dumb as fuck and it shows. Stick to what you're good at..trolling. How many awards do you have for that now?
                                                                                            that coming from an affiliate rep on a public forum
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                                                                                            • ANAL PASTE
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                                                                                              • 9070

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by LeRoy
                                                                                              Nah.When it comes to affiliate programs. You're just dumb as fuck and it shows. Stick to what you're good at..trolling. How many awards do you have for that now?


                                                                                              You nailed it.
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                                                                                              • ANAL PASTE
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                                                                                                • Mar 2006
                                                                                                • 9070

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                                                                that coming from an affiliate rep on a public forum
                                                                                                You should open your own affiliate program. www.ClownCash.tk
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                                                                                                • LeRoy
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                                                                                                  • Jul 2007
                                                                                                  • 13364

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                                                                  that coming from an affiliate rep on a public forum
                                                                                                  Wrong again monkey! I left my affiliate manager position back in 2015. I'm a sig whoring affiliate just like you only successful ;)
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                                                                                                  • nikki99
                                                                                                    Supermodel
                                                                                                    • Nov 2004
                                                                                                    • 23087

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                                                                    they didn't increase anything
                                                                                                    my mistake, I misread
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