How To Get Domain Back? - GoFuckYourself.com

Mutt · 05-21-2003, 06:38 AM

I'm going to try to get a domain back, never done it before - I need to know who provides this service(lawyer,paralegal) and how much the cost is of the process should it go the distance to WIPO. Gotta be laymen who do this, I don't see why a lawyer is
necessary but if they are the only people doing it then I'll have to go with a lawyer.

thanks

dotdude · 05-21-2003, 07:02 AM

you do not need lawyer... here are some good pointers

http://www.icann.org/udrp/
http://www.icann.org/dndr/udrp/provi...al-process.htm
http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/
http://www.arbforum.com/domains/

Mutt · 05-21-2003, 07:30 AM

thanks for the links. Looks like it's $1,500 minimally. you should be able to get those fees passed on to person who you're trying to get the domain from, if the case goes your way.

angelsofporn · 05-21-2003, 07:32 AM

depends on whether it's trademarked and who has it..if it's those chinese guys you're in for a long ride

Mutt · 05-21-2003, 07:36 AM

chinese guys? doing a quick read of this WIPO site, if you win your complaint, they transfer the domain over to the winner of the dispute. It's an international agreement. How do these chinese guys avoid doing what WIPO decides?

m0rph3us · 05-21-2003, 07:37 AM

if you don't own the trademark for it you're out of luck unless it was stolen/hacked. expired/forgotten or using your business name whatever doesn't count

d0se · 05-21-2003, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
I'm going to try to get a domain back, never done it before - I need to know who provides this service(lawyer,paralegal) and how much the cost is of the process should it go the distance to WIPO. Gotta be laymen who do this, I don't see why a lawyer is
necessary but if they are the only people doing it then I'll have to go with a lawyer.

thanks

How did you "Lose" it in the first place?

Dusen · 05-21-2003, 09:57 AM

If it expired, you're sunk. Lots of ICANN agreements that go the way of the person who snapped it up.

Unless you own the trademark or copyright to the name.

Mutt · 05-21-2003, 10:01 AM

it's a trademark, copyright issue, it's a name that belongs to a porn girl, she made the name up. I'm reading up on it now, looks like a slam dunk for her.

p00p · 05-21-2003, 10:23 AM

I think the guy who registered her name is a GFY'er.
He also registered violetblue.com who was the subject of a thread awhile ago on GFY. He is using his registrar to hide his identity on the violet blue domain, but hasn't done it on your girl's name yet.
Once you get the domain back, sue his ass off for the cost and your time.

Simeon Gregory
Simeon Gregory ([email protected])
+1.5094522782
FAX: +1.-
1500 West Mead Ave #16
Yakima, WA 98902
US

If the domain info is forged, go after his registrar to correct it.

Dax · 05-21-2003, 10:41 AM

Well a pornstar name is not a free pass to get it back... Cuz all the person has to do is make it a fan site and is protected.

It is a lot trickier than you think...

but good luck with it...

Mutt · 05-21-2003, 11:24 AM

He says he's a big fan of Felix's so I trust he will do the right thing and give it to her. She can do something nice for him, send him something. But that domain is hers.

twistyneck · 05-21-2003, 01:09 PM

Have you tried just asking the guy? It's probably some lamer that would take $200 for it and you could avoid a huge hassle.

AdultNex · 05-21-2003, 01:29 PM

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Originally posted by angelsofporn
depends on whether it's trademarked and who has it..if it's those chinese guys you're in for a long ride

*ahem* It's actually the team from Hong Kong that owns UltSearch.

rooster · 05-21-2003, 01:30 PM

"Well a pornstar name is not a free pass to get it back... Cuz all the person has to do is make it a fan site and is protected.

It is a lot trickier than you think...

but good luck with it..."

is your jlo site a fan site?

Mutt · 05-21-2003, 01:31 PM

I don't want to ask him for it, the domain will go in her name not mine. she will ask him for it but she's moving or something and I'm not sure she even has a computer and Net access.

Que? · 05-21-2003, 01:41 PM

Whats that site in your sig Mutt?

FATPad · 05-21-2003, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
I don't want to ask him for it, the domain will go in her name not mine. she will ask him for it but she's moving or something and I'm not sure she even has a computer and Net access.

You don't want to ask him for it, but you're willing to get a lawyer to ask for it?

funkmaster · 05-21-2003, 01:50 PM

... ahhhh, just let it die and get dwlandscapedesign.com instead, freshly expired, has a dmoz listing and a pagerank of ZERO ...

... what was the name of the domain you lost again ?

Mutt · 05-21-2003, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FATPad
You don't want to ask him for it, but you're willing to get a lawyer to ask for it?

yes, I want HER to ask for it, i would think the chances at getting a favorable response are better if she approaches him, he says he is a big fan of hers.

If not then I will do the WIPO dispute for her which is why I asked whether it would be better to hire a lawyer or some layman - these porn girls are young and most know nothing about the Internet let alone what to do about getting their domain name back from a squatter.

Mutt · 05-21-2003, 02:53 PM

Hey Que?

That's Sex Portraits in my sig. It features some pretty cool portraiture of porn girls, not really a porn site.
It's not Brian's work, it's another good shooter who does more video work but has this unique photo concept that i liked.

FATPad · 05-21-2003, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt

yes, I want HER to ask for it, i would think the chances at getting a favorable response are better if she approaches him, he says he is a big fan of hers.

If not then I will do the WIPO dispute for her which is why I asked whether it would be better to hire a lawyer or some layman - these porn girls are young and most know nothing about the Internet let alone what to do about getting their domain name back from a squatter.

Ahhh. I gotcha now. That makes sense.

Que? · 05-21-2003, 04:03 PM

Quote:

That's Sex Portraits in my sig. It features some pretty cool portraiture of porn girls, not really a porn site.

Looks like a killer paysite in there to me

gruffy · 05-21-2003, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
If not then I will do the WIPO dispute for her which is why I asked whether it would be better to hire a lawyer or some layman - these porn girls are young and most know nothing about the Internet let alone what to do about getting their domain name back from a squatter.

Good luck, even trademarks are having their reach to domain names curbed. If this is a properly REGISTERED trademark in the US you will still have a problem.

Out of my own curioisity, where is the trademark registered and where is the domain name registrant located? When was the mark registered? How does the mark relate to the domain name?

Cindyff · 05-21-2003, 05:29 PM

With Trade marks if there is a dispute you must be able to prove "prior art" in other words show proof that you used the name on a specific date if you cannot you lose simple as that.
This can apply to any models name for example if Aria Giovanni started using her name 3 years ago and their was someone using it 3 years and one day ago and can prove it. Then Aria would lose her right to use the name. Also anyone can call a name a trade mark ? and place ? after it , it doesn't mean much. Few take the time or pay the cost of having a true trade mark ®
I wish you good luck and hope its an easy deal for you

Cindy xx

05-21-2003, 07:02 AM	#2
dotdude Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 16	you do not need lawyer... here are some good pointers http://www.icann.org/udrp/ http://www.icann.org/dndr/udrp/provi...al-process.htm http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/ http://www.arbforum.com/domains/ __________________ Offshore adult hosting services with uptime guarantees. http://www.cyberoffshore.com/ ICQ: 35042927

05-21-2003, 07:30 AM	#3
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	thanks for the links. Looks like it's $1,500 minimally. you should be able to get those fees passed on to person who you're trying to get the domain from, if the case goes your way. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

05-21-2003, 07:36 AM	#5
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	chinese guys? doing a quick read of this WIPO site, if you win your complaint, they transfer the domain over to the winner of the dispute. It's an international agreement. How do these chinese guys avoid doing what WIPO decides? __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

05-21-2003, 09:57 AM	#8
Dusen Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: East Coast. Posts: 2,251	If it expired, you're sunk. Lots of ICANN agreements that go the way of the person who snapped it up. Unless you own the trademark or copyright to the name. __________________ Penis Pill Sponsor List and Reviews: http://www.pillsponsors.com

05-21-2003, 10:01 AM	#9
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	it's a trademark, copyright issue, it's a name that belongs to a porn girl, she made the name up. I'm reading up on it now, looks like a slam dunk for her. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

05-21-2003, 06:38 AM	#1
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	How To Get Domain Back? I'm going to try to get a domain back, never done it before - I need to know who provides this service(lawyer,paralegal) and how much the cost is of the process should it go the distance to WIPO. Gotta be laymen who do this, I don't see why a lawyer is necessary but if they are the only people doing it then I'll have to go with a lawyer. thanks __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

05-21-2003, 07:32 AM	#4
angelsofporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 3,218	depends on whether it's trademarked and who has it..if it's those chinese guys you're in for a long ride

05-21-2003, 07:37 AM	#6
m0rph3us Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Principality of Sealand Posts: 2,033	if you don't own the trademark for it you're out of luck unless it was stolen/hacked. expired/forgotten or using your business name whatever doesn't count

05-21-2003, 10:23 AM	#10
p00p Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: CanaDUH Posts: 5,125	I think the guy who registered her name is a GFY'er. He also registered violetblue.com who was the subject of a thread awhile ago on GFY. He is using his registrar to hide his identity on the violet blue domain, but hasn't done it on your girl's name yet. Once you get the domain back, sue his ass off for the cost and your time. Simeon Gregory Simeon Gregory ([email protected]) +1.5094522782 FAX: +1.- 1500 West Mead Ave #16 Yakima, WA 98902 US If the domain info is forged, go after his registrar to correct it. __________________ ICQ: 316365783 <a href="http://www.hostultra.com/~p00p" target="_blank">TEST</a>

05-21-2003, 10:41 AM	#11
Dax Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,161	Well a pornstar name is not a free pass to get it back... Cuz all the person has to do is make it a fan site and is protected. It is a lot trickier than you think... but good luck with it...

05-21-2003, 11:24 AM	#12
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	He says he's a big fan of Felix's so I trust he will do the right thing and give it to her. She can do something nice for him, send him something. But that domain is hers. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

05-21-2003, 01:09 PM	#13
twistyneck So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hanging by the neck until dead. Posts: 4,660	Have you tried just asking the guy? It's probably some lamer that would take $200 for it and you could avoid a huge hassle.

05-21-2003, 01:30 PM	#15
rooster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,384	"Well a pornstar name is not a free pass to get it back... Cuz all the person has to do is make it a fan site and is protected. It is a lot trickier than you think... but good luck with it..." is your jlo site a fan site?

05-21-2003, 01:31 PM	#16
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	I don't want to ask him for it, the domain will go in her name not mine. she will ask him for it but she's moving or something and I'm not sure she even has a computer and Net access. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

05-21-2003, 01:41 PM	#17
Que? Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 340	Whats that site in your sig Mutt? __________________ Send ccia out to deep space:<br> Donate to <a href="http://www.impai.org/">IMPA</a>

05-21-2003, 01:50 PM	#19
funkmaster So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: shell beach Posts: 7,938	... ahhhh, just let it die and get dwlandscapedesign.com instead, freshly expired, has a dmoz listing and a pagerank of ZERO ... ... what was the name of the domain you lost again ?

05-21-2003, 02:53 PM	#21
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	Hey Que? That's Sex Portraits in my sig. It features some pretty cool portraiture of porn girls, not really a porn site. It's not Brian's work, it's another good shooter who does more video work but has this unique photo concept that i liked. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

05-21-2003, 05:29 PM	#25
Cindyff Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 1,187	With Trade marks if there is a dispute you must be able to prove "prior art" in other words show proof that you used the name on a specific date if you cannot you lose simple as that. This can apply to any models name for example if Aria Giovanni started using her name 3 years ago and their was someone using it 3 years and one day ago and can prove it. Then Aria would lose her right to use the name. Also anyone can call a name a trade mark ? and place ? after it , it doesn't mean much. Few take the time or pay the cost of having a true trade mark ® I wish you good luck and hope its an easy deal for you Cindy xx