I don't suppose there's an English version of that site. I would like to check it out.

I don't want to bash your ebook but I have to point out that no matter what strategy you use, the house ALWAYS has the odds in roulette. It doesn't matter if an average of 22 numbers come up in 37 spins because you don't know ahead of time <B>which</B> 22 numbers they will be. Also, 37 spins is simply not statistically significant.

Even if you watched the table for 22 spins to see which 22 numbers are going to come up, it wouldn't do you any good because then you only have 15 spins left in your 37 spins, plus you don't know when/where the "first" of the 37 spins was (since the wheel is spun constantly) so your "counting" could overlap two sets of 37 spins. Finally, it still doesn't matter what the minimum/maximum and average are because your odds of hitting the number are still 1/37 and the payouts are still around 35:1.

You can follow a strategy of always making the bets with the best percentages and in the short run the ball could take a couple of hops in your favor but over time you will lose, period. For every "streak" you get on and win, someone at the casino next door got on one and lost. There is no magic and all the analysis in the world doesn't change the fact that each spin has exactly the same odds of doing any given thing as the spin before it did. The only things that makes it look like streaks hot/cold/black/red/even/odd streaks is exist are superstition and small smaples (even if you stand around the table for 1,000 spins, it is not a significant number to work with).

Your point about red not coming up a million times in a row may be true, but that isn't because it came up red too many times before, it's simply because that (approximately) 1/2 chance went one way instead of the other. Red won't come up a million times in a row because the odds of that are (disregarding 0's) 1/2 * 1/2 * 1/2 * 1/2 * 1/2 * 1/2 * 1/2... out to a million. That is only important if you are betting on a combination of spins, though, like betting at the beginning "I bet $500 red won't come up 50 times in a row." Then, the number of times red comes up in a row affects your bet, but the important thing to remember in roulette is that those odds add up as a factor of 1/2 because <B>every single spin has a 50% chance of coming up red and a 50% chance of coming up black</B> no matter what happened before that. In case someone reads this without reading the rest of the message, I <I>know</I> it isn't 50%. I am not including the 0's.

SpaceAce

Nevermind.

SpaceAce

They don't care, I've seen people use this system. It sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. It basically allows you to trade a bunch of small wins for a few huge losses (when you can't double your bet due to the casinos max bet or your bankroll)

That being said, if you watch a table, and think their is a flaw in the table it could work

If your lucky it could work

This is the best site I've ever found about gambling, the guy who runs it is an Adjunct Professor of Gaming Math at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas and an Actuary & Consultant

http://www.wizardofodds.com/

Best advice on every casino game, odds best way to play the game etc...

Heres his quote about this mentioned system.


"This method, known as the Martingale, only works if you have an infinite supply of money and there is no maximum bet. In real life you will eventually either run up against the limit of your bankroll or the maximum bet size. Like most gambling systems this one trades a lot of small wins for a few huge losses. In the long run you will lose. "

Getting comped: think of it as frequent flyer miles. If you have a players card (FREE with your personal info!) they can rate your play. Your comp rating depends on three things:
1) the average amount you bet
2) the amount of time you play
3) the type of game you're playing

Some games have more action than others. For instance, an hour at the craps game averages 140 bets, an hour at the blackjack table averages 70 hands, so you'll get more 'comp' playing the faster games like craps and not the slower games like Pai Gow Poker.

Basically they take your average bet * number of hours played * percentage kickback = your comp.

I tend to play craps, so I usually get

$75 avg bet * X hours played * 20% (craps) = $15 kickback per hour.

Different casinos will rate you better (off the strip) or worse (on the main strip) so your avg bet could vary at each place.

I play craps with full odds (higher the better) because casino edge falls to less than 1/10 of 1%, plus I get free rooms, food, shows, etc. Money management is the most important thing, especially on craps. So far every year I've ended up between $-1500 and $11k from casinos, with overall being +low thousands. I'm rare. Most people lose because they don't know the best way to play/bet/manage money.

It's fun too. At least for me. I've seen some people go ballistic because they're playing with money they can't afford to lose. Don't be like that.

Oh, and the double up strategy is known as the 'Martingale System'.

I hear what you say but Im still ahead on the roulette table (behind on the bj table) It's still a gamble thats why i don't play 24/7 thats why I just sell my information (which to the average and above player will help them understand more and make them a better player)

I have a strategy that in theory will BEAT the roulette table but it is impossible to play both online and offline... but in theory it wins.

im ready to bet against anyone inhere that if we were to start a roulette tournament then I would either:

a. be the winner or
b. be the last one with bankroll left.

and thats with a betting on all spins rule :P

time to sleep here!

Night night!
Vegas

wait til it hits red three times, then put all your money on black,

HAHAHAHAHAA


The casino will be MORE than happy to allow you to do that.

It's people's inability to understand the dynamics of probability that make the casino's so much money. Well, that and greed.

i used to live with 2 ppl in a share house that did work in a casino they can roll a ball if they have any skill into a part of a wheel but not into 1 # or colour

on the side of a table u have whats called a race track means u can bet on part of a wheel ie 1/4 of the wheel well if they r good at there job they can drop the ball into the part or not

wheres my dvd player :winkwink:

If you say that, I don't doubt it. One person is not a significant study, though. If you play long enough you must lose because there is <B>no</B> roulette bet with odds in your favor. That means you <B>will</B> lose in the long run. The only way to avoid that is to not play enough to constitue a "long run" in which case you need to rely on luck and the best possible odds (all of them being against you) to stay ahead.

Well, I'm not looking to purchase any ebooks but if you want to discuss it here, I'm game. I do not believe there is any twisting of mathematics that can ever, ever, ever "beat" a roulette table. Probability is simply not in your favor. You can only beat the table as long as your 22 numbers keep coming up or the ball doesn't land in the green. There is nothing you can do to turn the odds in your favor. The 22-number thing, streaks, etc, are all <I>illusions</I>, they don't exist. No matter how many millions of spins you study and see that 'x' numbers came up in a row this many times or only 'y' numbers came up in so many spins, taken out across enough spins all those numbers will come up equal numbers of times. 37 spins on one table may yield only 22 numbers, but once you factor in the thousands of tables being spun all around the world at that moment, you'll see that all the numbers came up in what will be reasonably close to a 1/37 probability.

Losing the least is not the same as winning.

SpaceAce

spaceace is right.
u cannot beat the casino.

Hahah yeah right... red or black 30 times in a row happens once every 2 billion or something like that.

40 times in a row... probably NEVER happened at ANY casino. Do the math.

you can't beat roulette in the long run.. i really suggest you to talk to a statistics professor about this if you don't believe me.

now blackjack i heard, can be beaten by card counting techniques etc.. i'm planning on writing a program to calculate all possiblities and find the perfect game, and see if it really gives you more odds.


vegasdude,

of course 37 different numbers in 37 spins never happens, because the odds for that is very small.

37! / 37^37 = 1 / 766879127067901

but this does not help you in any way whatsoever. build any strategy and have everyone follow it perfectly, most of them will lose still at the end.. there is always gonna be the ones that will win and you might be one of them, but even though everyone did the same thing..

i know my game to the bone...

my favorite strategy of play will make me a profit if just 1 repeat comes among the first 22 spins..... (repeat meaning that the 22 spins will have 1 number that have shown between the 22 spins)

100 real casino spins test
result : i win
ppl: luck

1000 real casino spins test
result : i win
ppl: luck

10000 real casino spins test
result : i win
ppl: luck

100000 real casino spins test
result : i win
ppl: luck

10000000 real casino spins test
result : i win
ppl: luck

100000000 real casino spins test
result : i lose
ppl: told you so!

my point is all can lose in gambling but you can also leave as a winner if you threat the game as an investment.