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Well.....1 SEO company is going to bite the dust

07-31-2022, 07:14 AM

I tried it.....I stopped doing my own SEO and handed it to a "specialist" who has indeed dropped my traffic for the past two months.

Then he wants me to believe that my traffic has been dropping for quite some time, and he's trying to save it.

The graph HE gave shows growth for 5 months (with me doing it) and then a decrease in the two months he took over. Now I have one more month with him.

I think he didn't expect me to know as much as him, and well, this was a shitty experience.

Are there no legit SEO people?
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07-31-2022, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl

Are there no legit SEO people?

Nope. The costs to make a site like say a tube, a blog, whatever are relatively low. Scripts, designs, hosting aren't really all that much money. If someone was able to effectively rank a site, they'd make their own and rank theirs instead of doing it for pocket-change for someone else, and even if they were to do it as a side project - they wouldn't help competition.

As for if it's his fault? I doubt it. Googles algo isn't a static thing. It's constantly changing and it's enough that they changed something in their algo causing you to de-rank despite yours or his best efforts.

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07-31-2022, 08:28 AM

Bare in mind that there also has been a core update not that long ago.

I don't know, just got a feeling that most of these SEO experts will just tell you you'll need backlinks and that's it, ignoring all other factors entirely. That's why I would rather not outsource this.

But if I did...
I would probably take a good look at their own website first.
For example, if a SEO company website doesn't even redirect http to https, therefore causing duplicated content, or doesn't know what a canonical tag or webp format is etc, you'll know you're dealing with morons instead of "experts".

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07-31-2022, 08:28 AM

Sorry to hear about your vendor problems girl

Finding a good SEO for hire is like finding a unicorn. There are a few here on GFY (WG and FB come to mind) but all of the ones I know are already working for big brands or ranking their own sites and laying low vacationing. They're not for hire and don't want the hassle of any sites but their own. Their knowledge is closely guarded and rarely shared.

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07-31-2022, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by k0nr4d

Nope. The costs to make a site like say a tube, a blog, whatever are relatively low. Scripts, designs, hosting aren't really all that much money. If someone was able to effectively rank a site, they'd make their own and rank theirs instead of doing it for pocket-change for someone else, and even if they were to do it as a side project - they wouldn't help competition.

As for if it's his fault? I doubt it. Googles algo isn't a static thing. It's constantly changing and it's enough that they changed something in their algo causing you to de-rank despite yours or his best efforts.

Then why doesn't it de-rank when I'm doing it? Google works the same for me as it does for him.

I mean, things DO de-rank when I am doing it, but I quickly pick them back up with minimal effort.

When you have over 20k organic blogs and 50 new blogs per week going up, there is no reason for traffic to drop. I personally think it's prime real estate for a SEO company.
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09-12-2022, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by k0nr4d

Nope. The costs to make a site like say a tube, a blog, whatever are relatively low. Scripts, designs, hosting aren't really all that much money. If someone was able to effectively rank a site, they'd make their own and rank theirs instead of doing it for pocket-change for someone else, and even if they were to do it as a side project - they wouldn't help competition.

As you said the price of building a website is low, but you forget that, depending on the niche, you need a shitload of links when doing SEO and it could get quite pricey. Nowadays website owners need to have a budget in order to get their sites ranked. Not everybody are ready to spend tenths of thousands each month (for months) in link building.

Originally posted by k0nr4d

As for if it's his fault? I doubt it. Googles algo isn't a static thing. It's constantly changing and it's enough that they changed something in their algo causing you to de-rank despite yours or his best efforts.

I agree. There were two major Google updates in May and August, and a lot of sites lost their ranking for no apparent reason.

So there's a possibility that for whatever technical reason on your site you could have lost traffic. Doesn't necessarily mean it's SEO's fault. A day of downtime costed me more than 6 months of bad ranking. If your SEO was done correctly, you would gain all that traffic back in a few months. But if not, it's time to change companies.

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There is. Feel free to hit me up either here in PM, or on Skype, username: nettrust

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09-12-2022, 09:51 AM

Yeah, looks like half of the internet got fucked by googles updates in the past months
You can't say It wouldn't have happened if you did your own seo
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09-12-2022, 10:20 AM

This shows how necessary it is to read read and read more to keep yourself current on any changes that can affect how you do SEO. I've seen some really good guys who've kept their clients moving forward while others fall behind using technics useful years ago.

Sadly you're right in that there are times owners do know more simply because they read and learn - I'm not commenting on your SEO person simply because I don't know why or what they were doing throughout the time. All I'm saying is that just doing basics doesn't work anymore - and ignoring areas you don't know is even worse.

I'd be happy just to go over it and offer some free advice if I can as it seems you're not the typical owner - and maybe help in figuring out a strategy that can happen where if you can maintain it on your own if you're interested in the help. Feel free to contact me.

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09-13-2022, 01:27 AM

i can only jugdge by my own experience , whenever i do significant onsite Seo changes on a exisiting site , especially within the adult sphere, there is no rush of new Traffic to expect, in most case chances are better you loose a bit traffic, that you had before until the google shuffle has settled and then you only see an increase when adding new content over time or other significant offsite seo is going on . i regular can monitor this when i do update sites that rank for years and then do massive content updates. ill allways loose a bit of traffic until it has settled down but most of the time it pickup after 3-6 month.
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09-13-2022, 02:13 AM

yea SEO changes all the time. Google changes direction every few years. you gotta hire one of these guys addicted to it (ie reading SEO blogs and watching SEO tubers every day).

your SEO expert was probably really good at it 3-5 years ago

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09-13-2022, 02:39 AM

I remember back in 2018 (I think?) that Google just finished an update and everyone here at GFY was reporting a huge surge in traffic again and everyone was celebrating, throwing money around again for links, content and new projects.

This after years of Google ignoring porn so it was a breath of fresh air for us all. Now Google's last 2 updates this year have many feeling sad again.

None of the positive or negative changes had anything to do with our link profiles or on-site SEO etc. Google just 'choose' to give us love one day and then a few years later take it away. Of course if you have good content and lots of links you were doing better, but what I'm trying to say is that sometimes you have to just wait for big G to like you again.
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09-13-2022, 03:17 AM

Originally posted by plsureking

yea SEO changes all the time. Google changes direction every few years. you gotta hire one of these guys addicted to it (ie reading SEO blogs and watching SEO tubers every day).

your SEO expert was probably really good at it 3-5 years ago

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The ones reading the "blogs" and watching the "tubers" aren't the ones who know what they're doing. In many cases, even the ones writing those posts and publishing those videos don't know what they're doing. There's a ton of misinformation out there.

If they own sites with a lot of SE traffic, they know what they're doing - especially if they're a smaller operation. Most of the big boys who dominate the SERPs do so because someone at the top or near it have a very solid SEO background.

Konrad was mostly right - there might be a couple guys around who like the guarantee of a pay check each month, but I would guarantee they have their own small network on the side also.

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09-13-2022, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by mopek1

None of the positive or negative changes had anything to do with our link profiles

I know a Penguin who'd like to disagree.
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09-13-2022, 12:06 PM

There are some good points above.

Indeed, there are some great SEO experts, but most of them are either managing their sites or working for big companies. Simple put, they are not publicly available.

SE philosophy hasn’t changed from day 1. If you follow this philosophy and understand how SE think, breathe & work, you will succeed no matter on algo updates.

Many so-called experts still believe that buying tons of links will bring solid results. Obsessed with DA, and PA, keyword difficulty and so on. Those days are long gone.

As an example, this is my hobby project launched in Dec 2021. Not a single link buy.

MakeMeGrrrrowl PM me URL, I will take a quick look.

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09-13-2022, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by ultra100

There are some good points above.

Indeed, there are some great SEO experts, but most of them are either managing their sites or working for big companies. Simple put, they are not publicly available.

SE philosophy hasn’t changed from day 1. If you follow this philosophy and understand how SE think, breathe & work, you will succeed no matter on algo updates.

Many so-called experts still believe that buying tons of links will bring solid results. Obsessed with DA, and PA, keyword difficulty and so on. Those days are long gone.

As an example, this is a hobby project launched in Dec 2021. Not a single link buy.

MakeMeGrrrrowl PM me URL, I will take a quick look.

That is mainstream niche or porn?

BTW OP, if you think that guy is deranking your site... simply hire him to "improve" a competitor instead of your site
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