Betray

Has anyone made a site and lost alot of money because of no sales or traffic? Do you own multi-sites?

im just curious, i was wondering the percentage of people who fail when making a site.

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AdultNex

My percentage of failing to earn a lucrative business with my sites is approx 90.5%.

PostWhore

i know you did

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tony286

Womens fetish/lingerie wear site called voluptousvalues.com, it was a pain in the ass. Between customers that were bitchy to having to drive to the post office to mail out one item. We made most of our money back and were able to use the rest of the inventory as props for the website. As far as people failing I hear about 95% fail the first year, most dont have the patience or dont want to do the hard work and doing it for kicks wears thin after a while.

Yo Adrian

Most people fail miserably before finding the right niche or technique, or meeting the right people to be successfull. This holds true in any industry.

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I'd forgotten about 1005.

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lil2rich4u2

i made a dvd site ... pleasuredvds.com

was my first venture into this biz.

I had super high dreams for it, paid $3k for design and ALOT more on dvd's (that still sit in my room)

I had paypal as a processor, and now they wont take my sales. But even when they did, i made very few sales. Basically i gave up on it a long time ago.

Betray

Very good points, i find my self very lazy on making a site.. so i havnt been to the point of failing, but i feer it, if i put money into it. i think i lack the information of maintianing a website.

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Betray

thats alot of wasted time and money.. why dont you work around it? and bring it back?

bstrawse

You still have these DVDs? Might be interested. Drop me a note at [email protected]

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lil2rich4u2

I was concidering a redisign so that it sell's someone elses DVD's .... im not as hungry as i used to be, and id never have the drive to keep up with that end of it at this point in time.

To do that means a complete redesign of my backend i think .... not sure.

Libertine

I've never actually *lost* money. I've lost time on bad projects though, and lots of it.

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Angelonfire

Interesting question hun !

I think in this "BIZ" everything is a gambble...
It can be stressfull and draining...
You have to work you ass off and never get discourage. Just ambitious......

I've invested very little money yet ! I wont spend money I don't have... However, I invested myself as the model and my time and energie to learn all that come being a webmistriss.

I take thing one day at a time. I don't expect result ASAP I am being patient and trying to do built my website gradulally becasue a amateur site is never Static its alwasy changing...

Step by step and one day at a time and being realistic and down to hearth is the way to go.

gothweb

My sites have turned a profit, my content operation has widened it. It's all one business, and it has made money overall. Not necessarily time-efficient all the time, though.

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mastamindz

I had a really good paysite. My girlfriend was the model. We made some good cash, converted like crazy and had awesome retention. This was all before I even knew anything about the adult industry. She decided she didnt want to be on the web anymore so we closed our doors. It was up for 4 months.

Blah, If I knew then what I know now, I wouldnt be living in my parents basement.

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lil2rich4u2

Seems to short a time to test any conversions, let alone to say they were good.




Like anything you need to run through a bunch of trial and error, and constant tweaking after tests and tests and tests and more tests.

Not sure how much of that is possible on a 4 month run.


Not saying you didnt have a good run, im sure you did ... im saying i bet it coulda done alot better had you tweaked it correctly.

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Libertine

First of all, bullshit. After 4 months you should know quite a bit about your conversions. Not everything, but a lot.
Secondly, duh. Ofcourse tweaking the site helps. That's stating the obvious.

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mastamindz

I agree, I also had no knowledge of the business. I woke up one day and said "Hey, you have a nice ass, lets take pics of you and put it on a website."

I searched around on some of the amateur sites and seen what they used as a processor (I used ccbill) built the tour and members area, took a shit load of pics and put it up. Even had my own affiliate program with some good webmasters I met at afternic.com haha.

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lil2rich4u2

depending on the traffic you dump on it, you may be right.

But he said he was new and didnt know much back then ... how can he possibly get his hands on a good amount of startup hits?

Ofcourse im doing as you said "stating the obvious" because i have no experience in paysites yet.

Was just my opinion.

freeadultcontent

Lets see what failures my brain will allow me to remember.

1. Mid to late nineties, was told by some people giving newbie advice (I was just into content back then) on building sites, sponsors etc. to build some free sites. 30 thumbs, 30 full sized pictures on html minimum. Make one every day and submit them to the search engines, persian kitty, and the hun. Explained to me that my super simple designs would do sell, and that they needed fancy graphics etc, so I did as instructed.

Made 1 site a day, 30 pictures each non optimized, very graphics heavy pages. Submitted them to PK, the hun, and the engines. Made sales each day, was stoked, got my bandwidth bill from my provider which was at 9.00 a gig and well there went my savings.

2. Had idea for content selling. Paid to have a custom script written. Out the cash, never got the script.

3. Paid Net Sol. a crap load of money for a bunch of domain names. Mostly all non adult ones, great one word .coms dumped a bunch of cash into building up the rebates one. Partner at the time decided to sell them all out from under me. Never got a dime, Net Sol. fucked me on it, and wasted several k on the rebates site.

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mastamindz

Im not saying I made 10k + a month, but I did make a few bucks.

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Libertine

Well, in my personal experience, you can get a rather nice traffic flow going within a month, without any experience whatsoever. While a few days would indeed be too short a time to find out about conversions with low traffic, in 4 months you should have a fairly good idea of your conversions even if you get very few hits a day. (1k hits a day - 120 days - 120k hits, which is a decent test run)

Paysites are in one thing no different from any site imagineable, and that is that tweaking can always help, and 99% of the time indeed does help.

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Libertine

Didn't I install an open source shopping script for you once?

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lil2rich4u2

Im imagining you have more experience than i do, so im going to agree with you on this one.

I just figured even 1k a day is tough to pull for a new guy.

I was there as well once, and i had no clue how to get traffic other than to trade links with people .... didnt pull anything near 1k a day, more like 200 hits per day TOPS.

But im going to assume i was alot newer than the average newb, lol

freeadultcontent

You may have, when we were thinking of adding a paid area to our site, Would have been long after the incident I was speaking of. Back then there were no open source scripts for much of anything.

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tony286

Oh by the way vv wasnt my only failure in business there was execommerce a headhunting firm focusing on the dot.com boom. I was a headhunter and my boss retired. He told me Anthony get a cheap office so you have some place to go to work everyday to keep your head straight. I said no I know better I will work out of my house save money .Now for those that never worked on the phone selling it makes this look like a party. Making 100's of cold calls every day and looking out the window seeing how beautiful the weather is outside, just got married to a young very horny wife. I would earn a commission(they avg 7000 to 10,000) and then we would go out and fuck off. We fucked off most of the summer. When you dont hit the phone everyday it gets harder everytime to go back, the phone becomes 10,000 pounds after a while and you dont want to pick it up. So that ended execommerce and then did vv and then finally our latest venture thats is doing well. Thank God lol, remember Macy's failed 7 or 8 times before getting it right

Libertine

When I started making sites I got to that rather easily, but you could be right that it might be harder for some people.
Still, even at 200 hits a day, 24k hits is a pretty decent testrun, considering that most people stop using a sponsor if it doesn't convert well on 10k hits...

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Betray

ive been into porn for a while... not the selling part, the jerking off part.. and i used to never pay for it.. it makes it so much harder to make people wanna buy it...

like why would they buy it when its free? time to knock out kazaa and tgps

gornyhuy

I'm not trying to bust your balls here, lil2rich, but can you give a brief synopsis of exactly what the fuck you do? It seems like 2 months ago that you were bitching that you were homeless or something. Now you are reminiscing about your newbie days as if it was a hundred years ago.

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Paul Markham

When the WWW was first born I tried putting up my content on a website and selling it surfers. Miserable failure. Wish I had got into selling the content to webmasters back then because this is a bit better.

But at the same time a magazine editor conned some investors into putting in a quarter of a million UK pounds for a website. The site was awesome, it had good content, lots of it and was designed very well.

When they launched it, they just put the URL into the search engines. Miserable failure for the investors, but I sold them some content.

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Gutterboy

I've had sites that didn't work, but never one that lost me a significant amount of money.

I always test my paysite ideas as an AVS site first. If it works on that scale, I know I can sink money & time into content and setting up a billing system without fear of it being a dud.

Paul Markham

Two months here just feels like a hunderd years.

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StupidFuckingWhore

when i first started it was my goal to make one good high traffic free site a month, but getting traffic was harder than i anticipated. so few sites only got a few thousand a day and eventually died off. i might still do something with them sometime, still got em on my hard drive, good sites, just couldn't get the traffic but i wouldn't say i lost any money.

Probono

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but hiring a good lawyer might eat into those profits soon.

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robfantasy

i dont know much about what im doing..

i dont have any affiliates...

i am making nice profits and converting the targeted traffic i get from my magazine and offline ads..

i cant imagine what kind of money could be pulled in if i had more affiliates..

the only good thing about having no affiliates is that the money is all mine

but i want to share it, let me know if you are interested.

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psyko514

Time is money

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Rochard

I don't remember the name of my first site, or even the girl. She lived in the apartment upstairs. I paid her a fistful of money, we took lots of pictures, opened up a site.

Got one sign up the first week.

I said "fuck this", and went to work for Lightspeed.

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