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  • elron
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    • Jul 2003
    • 1553
    #1

    adsterra - bunch of scammers

    after holding over 500$ of my money they suddently close my publisher account, when i contacted them they replied that their advertisers asked for refund becasue because the "quality" of my traffic"
    just to make it clear - they put their *own* ads on with code *they* provide for your pages.

    what a bullshit claim, looks like another "ad network" to put on black list.
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    • Adsterra Network
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      • Aug 2015
      • 137
      #2
      Hey there, elron!

      While ad quality depends on us, traffic quality is out of our control. Advertisers can request a refund, if they find the quality of your traffic lacking.

      Send me a DM with your login, I'll see what I can do.

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        • Adsterra Network
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          • Aug 2015
          • 137
          #3
          Nevermind, found it myself.

          Can't say the exact reason, but our Policy team decided that advertisers' claim are true and refunded them.

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            • elron
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              • Jul 2003
              • 1553
              #4
              You can't steal publishers money just because your advertisers can't convert that ads *you* put with *your* code, on the publisher's pages.

              beware of those guys, my pages are just main stream adult movie pages - if they did that to me, they will do this to you as well.

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                • blackmonsters
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                  • Nov 2002
                  • 20970
                  #5
                  Originally posted by elron
                  You can't steal publishers money just because your advertisers can't convert that ads *you* put with *your* code, on the publisher's pages.

                  beware of those guys, my pages are just main stream adult movie pages - if they did that to me, they will do this to you as well.
                  "my pages are just main stream adult movie pages"

                  Sounds like a paradox.

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                    • digitalfantasies
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                      • Sep 2010
                      • 2759
                      #6
                      I just asked google for a refund because my ads didn't convert. They died laughing.

                      But good to know that at adsterra I can simply buy traffic/adspace and only pay if it's profitable

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                        • elron
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                          • Jul 2003
                          • 1553
                          #7
                          Originally posted by blackmonsters
                          "my pages are just main stream adult movie pages"

                          Sounds like a paradox.

                          enlighten me please, Mr 2 cents

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                            • elron
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                              • Jul 2003
                              • 1553
                              #8
                              Originally posted by digitalfantasies
                              I just asked google for a refund because my ads didn't convert. They died laughing.
                              yes and imagine they would refund you from the money earned by their publishers. wouldn't that be something to talk about...

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                                • CaptainHowdy
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                                  • Dec 2004
                                  • 94733
                                  #9
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                                    • peter100
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                                      • Jul 2018
                                      • 176
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Adsterra Network

                                      Can't say the exact reason, but our Policy team decided that advertisers' claim are true and refunded them.
                                      the advertiser should check the traffic quality from first day and decide to continue or block it and not after spending 500$ will say sorry , it is not worth ?? he used your system for free and get his money back and we never know if he get any conversion or no ?
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                                        • peter100
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                                          • Jul 2018
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                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by digitalfantasies

                                          But good to know that at adsterra I can simply buy traffic/adspace and only pay if it's profitable
                                          Yes , it is a good deal , let us try it and see if any conversion, otherwise we will get the refund as they claimed
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                                            • Wautier
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                                              • Feb 2019
                                              • 218
                                              #12
                                              There has to be some type of quality control on the publisher side as well.

                                              I've used Adsterra since their inception, and although I'm not using them right now. I would still like to say that they will accept pretty much _any_ type of traffic as long as it's not 100% botted.

                                              As far as them paying webmasters goes, there are no issues whatsoever there either. Once again, I haven't been paid by them in quite some time now, but it's still the same people. Same mentality.

                                              It would be hard for them to explain to an advertiser why they're not removing a source of traffic if it was proven that all of the traffic is botted.

                                              If you genuinely have nothing to hide, leave an email so I can contact you, and I will check your website to confirm whether or not it has any actual traffic, and if so, I will publicly post my findings here.
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                                                • gar
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                                                  • Feb 2021
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                                                  #13
                                                  Tell me if this is a joke. Ha Ha Ha

                                                  Maybe OP has huge traffic, the guy bought ads $500 first day.
                                                  Last edited by gar; 02-19-2022, 02:28 AM. Reason: Let's hear from both side.
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                                                    • trevesty
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                                                      • Aug 2006
                                                      • 3810
                                                      #14
                                                      Sounds to me like you've got a lot of bot traffic.

                                                      I say that because I'm pretty familiar with Adsterra, and they aren't going to ban a publisher over $500 for no reason. I think you don't know how many really big sites use them.

                                                      Most ad networks will can you for bot traffic without question. In almost all cases, they will just do it and move on, because pubs like that aren't worth the trouble.
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                                                        • elron
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                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                          • 1553
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by peter100
                                                          the advertiser should check the traffic quality from first day and decide to continue or block it and not after spending 500$ will say sorry , it is not worth ?? he used your system for free and get his money back and we never know if he get any conversion or no ?
                                                          Exactly. I also didn’t mention that before the very first payment I got from them they put my account on hold, then when I asked what is it all about - their rep named “Sonya” replied that they do this to all new accounts - checking the quality of the traffic and I will only have to worry about this for this one time they do it.
                                                          My traffic passed their “test” abd since then I got their payments on schedule - until this incident they decided to be generous to their 3d porn game advertiser (the only ad I ever saw on my pages with their code) - on my expense

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                                                            • elron
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                                                              • Jul 2003
                                                              • 1553
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by trevesty
                                                              Sounds to me like you've got a lot of bot traffic.

                                                              I say that because I'm pretty familiar with Adsterra, and they aren't going to ban a publisher over $500 for no reason. I think you don't know how many really big sites use them.

                                                              Most ad networks will can you for bot traffic without question. In almost all cases, they will just do it and move on, because pubs like that aren't worth the trouble.
                                                              I’ve used them among many other ad networks such as popcash, clickadila, juicy ads, you really think I would last 25 years on this biz with bot traffic?

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                                                                • kuprum
                                                                  Affiliate-Programs.Biz
                                                                  • Oct 2016
                                                                  • 17923
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by elron
                                                                  I’ve used them among many other ad networks such as popcash, clickadila, juicy ads, you really think I would last 25 years on this biz with bot traffic?
                                                                  yes, you are!

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                                                                    • NoWhErE
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                                                                      • Sep 2005
                                                                      • 10583
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by elron
                                                                      I’ve used them among many other ad networks such as popcash, clickadila, juicy ads, you really think I would last 25 years on this biz with bot traffic?


                                                                      popcash and clickadilla are about the lowest tier ad networks when it comes to filtering bot traffic. You could send them direct data center traffic and they would accept it. So yes, there is a good chance you have really shitty traffic OR you're forcing clicks/pops whatever on your ads.

                                                                      For, of all networks, adsterra to ban you, it's because you're doing something really shady. Maybe you BELIEVE what you're doing is ok and are mistakenly sending low-quality traffic, but don't make the mistake of thinking anyone will believe you that you've been scammed.
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                                                                        • trevesty
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                                                                          • Aug 2006
                                                                          • 3810
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by elron
                                                                          I’ve used them among many other ad networks such as popcash, clickadila, juicy ads, you really think I would last 25 years on this biz with bot traffic?
                                                                          Originally posted by NoWhErE
                                                                          popcash and clickadilla are about the lowest tier ad networks when it comes to filtering bot traffic. You could send them direct data center traffic and they would accept it. So yes, there is a good chance you have really shitty traffic OR you're forcing clicks/pops whatever on your ads.

                                                                          For, of all networks, adsterra to ban you, it's because you're doing something really shady. Maybe you BELIEVE what you're doing is ok and are mistakenly sending low-quality traffic, but don't make the mistake of thinking anyone will believe you that you've been scammed.
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                                                                            • elron
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                                                                              • Jul 2003
                                                                              • 1553
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by NoWhErE
                                                                              popcash and clickadilla are about the lowest tier ad networks when it comes to filtering bot traffic
                                                                              you must be the guy who knows everything which happens everywhere

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                                                                                • elron
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                                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                                  • 1553
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by NoWhErE
                                                                                  For, of all networks, adsterra to ban you, it's because you're doing something really shady.
                                                                                  read what i wrote above - they already processed a traffic quality check just before their first payment, so even according to their standarts my traffic was fine.

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                                                                                    • NoWhErE
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                                                                                      • Sep 2005
                                                                                      • 10583
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by elron
                                                                                      you must be the guy who knows everything which happens everywhere
                                                                                      I don't know everything, but I can assure you I know what I'm talking about when it comes to traffic.

                                                                                      There are a few people here with decades of experience and millions in revenue answering you in this thread. Just because it's not what you want to hear doesn't mean it's not true.

                                                                                      We're not an echo chamber for you to come here and feel better. This is an industry board meant for professionals to help each other out.

                                                                                      You got banned? Chances are it was for a very good reason. Sorry if you don't agree, but that's life.
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                                                                                        • NoWhErE
                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                          • Sep 2005
                                                                                          • 10583
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by elron
                                                                                          read what i wrote above - they already processed a traffic quality check just before their first payment, so even according to their standarts my traffic was fine.
                                                                                          I can't comment on their internal process because I don't work for Adsterra. But, with traffic, data and sample size are important.

                                                                                          Maybe on a small sample size your traffic seemed OK but with more data, it turned out to be shit. Try media buying a bit and you'll quickly understand what I mean.

                                                                                          Note: Final quality checks on traffic quality made by a different person/department before first payouts are VERY standard for most networks.
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                                                                                            • digitalfantasies
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                                                                                              • Sep 2010
                                                                                              • 2759
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Just looked at their terms and unfortunately you agreed with this when signing up with them.
                                                                                              5.4. You acknowledge and agree that Adsterra may adjust the balance in your Account if there is
                                                                                              5.4.1. a chargeback received from an Advertiser for previously paid actions;
                                                                                              5.4.2. a refund requested by an Advertiser;
                                                                                              5.4.3. a non-paid invoice by an Advertiser;

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                                                                                                • Coybh
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                                                                                                  • Jul 2021
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by digitalfantasies
                                                                                                  I just asked google for a refund because my ads didn't convert. They died laughing.

                                                                                                  But good to know that at adsterra I can simply buy traffic/adspace and only pay if it's profitable
                                                                                                  Yeah, thanks to OP, at least I know where to buy traffic from now
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                                                                                                    • kuprum
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                                                                                                      • Oct 2016
                                                                                                      • 17923
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Elron, demand your money for black PR ))))

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                                                                                                        • elron
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                                                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                                                          • 1553
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by digitalfantasies
                                                                                                          Just looked at their terms and unfortunately you agreed with this when signing up with them.
                                                                                                          5.4. You acknowledge and agree that Adsterra may adjust the balance in your Account if there is
                                                                                                          5.4.1. a chargeback received from an Advertiser for previously paid actions;
                                                                                                          5.4.2. a refund requested by an Advertiser;
                                                                                                          5.4.3. a non-paid invoice by an Advertiser;
                                                                                                          wow so u get screwed not only if their advertisers can't make sales, also if they charge back or just decide not to pay them.
                                                                                                          this post is a big fucking alert for every website owner who still place their code on their pages.

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                                                                                                            • elron
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                                                                                                              • Jul 2003
                                                                                                              • 1553
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by Coybh
                                                                                                              Yeah, thanks to OP, at least I know where to buy traffic from now
                                                                                                              that's in case you believe they actually refunded their advertisers. i wouldn't bet my money on that.

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                                                                                                                • elron
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                                                                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                  • 1553
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by NoWhErE
                                                                                                                  I can't comment on their internal process because I don't work for Adsterra. But, with traffic, data and sample size are important.

                                                                                                                  Maybe on a small sample size your traffic seemed OK but with more data, it turned out to be shit. Try media buying a bit and you'll quickly understand what I mean.

                                                                                                                  Note: Final quality checks on traffic quality made by a different person/department before first payouts are VERY standard for most networks.
                                                                                                                  how do you know if was small sample of traffic?
                                                                                                                  no offense but spreading your opinion on this matter, based on guessing and "maybe" doesn't put you out good on this.

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                                                                                                                    • NoWhErE
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                                                                                                                      • Sep 2005
                                                                                                                      • 10583
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by elron
                                                                                                                      how do you know if was small sample of traffic?
                                                                                                                      no offense but spreading your opinion on this matter, based on guessing and "maybe" doesn't put you out good on this.
                                                                                                                      You're a classic case of why industry veterans don't offer help anymore on these forums.

                                                                                                                      You come here with a problem, we offer you the answer. You don't like the outcome, so you try and argue against us?

                                                                                                                      As explained by me and others in the thread, it's pretty fucking clear for anyone with real experience in this industry what happened, but if you want to keep playing the victim, then, by all means, go ahead and keep wasting everyone's time with your sad story.
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                                                                                                                        • elron
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by NoWhErE
                                                                                                                          You're a classic case of why industry veterans don't offer help anymore on these forums.

                                                                                                                          You come here with a problem, we offer you the answer. You don't like the outcome, so you try and argue against us?

                                                                                                                          As explained by me and others in the thread, it's pretty fucking clear for anyone with real experience in this industry what happened, but if you want to keep playing the victim, then, by all means, go ahead and keep wasting everyone's time with your sad story.
                                                                                                                          you're not explaining anything to me nor offering any help, you took their side without even checking the facts but just bragging about your experience in this biz. if that's what you call "veterans help" then just move on, the rookies will do fine without you.

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                                                                                                                            • AmeliaG
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                                                                                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                              • 10663
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by digitalfantasies
                                                                                                                              Just looked at their terms and unfortunately you agreed with this when signing up with them.
                                                                                                                              5.4. You acknowledge and agree that Adsterra may adjust the balance in your Account if there is
                                                                                                                              5.4.1. a chargeback received from an Advertiser for previously paid actions;
                                                                                                                              5.4.2. a refund requested by an Advertiser;
                                                                                                                              5.4.3. a non-paid invoice by an Advertiser;
                                                                                                                              Isn't this a pretty standard clause?
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                                                                                                                                • sandman!
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                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2001
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  A lot of ad networks do this , nothing you can do but move on,.
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                                                                                                                                    • hamiltonsteele
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                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2003
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Adsterra Network
                                                                                                                                      Hey there, elron!

                                                                                                                                      While ad quality depends on us, traffic quality is out of our control. Advertisers can request a refund, if they find the quality of your traffic lacking.

                                                                                                                                      Send me a DM with your login, I'll see what I can do.
                                                                                                                                      I had a few problems with Adsterra too.

                                                                                                                                      It was the ads the kind of ads that kept being displayed which were ransom ads and browser hijacking.

                                                                                                                                      I spoke to support and they would fix the problem but within a day or two the bad ads were
                                                                                                                                      back.
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                                                                                                                                        • elron
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                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2003
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                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by hamiltonsteele
                                                                                                                                          I had a few problems with Adsterra too.

                                                                                                                                          It was the ads the kind of ads that kept being displayed which were ransom ads and browser hijacking.

                                                                                                                                          I spoke to support and they would fix the problem but within a day or two the bad ads were
                                                                                                                                          back.
                                                                                                                                          they should be banned for good

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                                                                                                                                            • elron
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                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2003
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by sandman!
                                                                                                                                              A lot of ad networks do this , nothing you can do but move on,.
                                                                                                                                              that's the place to name them

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                                                                                                                                                • bugmenot4real
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                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2013
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by hamiltonsteele
                                                                                                                                                  I had a few problems with Adsterra too.

                                                                                                                                                  It was the ads the kind of ads that kept being displayed which were ransom ads and browser hijacking.

                                                                                                                                                  I spoke to support and they would fix the problem but within a day or two the bad ads were
                                                                                                                                                  back.
                                                                                                                                                  I don't think they will ever fix that. after getting 40k+ from them asked if they can put me on some prem list so i wont have bad ads on my site and all they said was we don't have bad ads we are a clean ad network. and their answer to my deleting them from my site was have a nice day

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                                                                                                                                                    • trevesty
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                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2006
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by elron
                                                                                                                                                      how do you know if was small sample of traffic?
                                                                                                                                                      no offense but spreading your opinion on this matter, based on guessing and "maybe" doesn't put you out good on this.
                                                                                                                                                      Because it's only $500. That's small. Tiny. Puny. Itty bitty.

                                                                                                                                                      You sound like the typical has been. "after so many years in this biz, blah blah blah, I still don't know a fucking thing".
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                                                                                                                                                        • trevesty
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                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by AmeliaG
                                                                                                                                                          Isn't this a pretty standard clause?
                                                                                                                                                          Yes. I would imagine it's pretty rare that it gets enforced, though.
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                                                                                                                                                            • elron
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                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by trevesty
                                                                                                                                                              Yes. I would imagine it's pretty rare that it gets enforced, though.
                                                                                                                                                              no one enforce it because most ad network plays fair, simple as that.

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                                                                                                                                                                • elron
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by trevesty
                                                                                                                                                                  Because it's only $500. That's small. Tiny. Puny. Itty bitty.

                                                                                                                                                                  You sound like the typical has been. "after so many years in this biz, blah blah blah, I still don't know a fucking thing".
                                                                                                                                                                  small sample refers to the precentage of the totall traffic and not as absolute figure in cash, i guess that was too much for you to comprehend.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • trevesty
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                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by elron
                                                                                                                                                                      small sample refers to the precentage of the totall traffic and not as absolute figure in cash, i guess that was too much for you to comprehend.
                                                                                                                                                                      I know exactly what it means. If a small sample (percentage) of your measly $500... still back to my point of "itty bitty".

                                                                                                                                                                      You seem pretty hell bent on playing a big man baby over a few bucks, though, so have at it.
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                                                                                                                                                                        • trevesty
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                                                                                                                                                                          lol

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                                                                                                                                                                          I see a pattern. ;)
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