Stormpay or epassport? - GoFuckYourself.com

Danielle · 05-18-2003, 03:37 AM

Who do you prefer as a Paypal alternative?

Hugs,
Danielle

Tipsy · 05-18-2003, 03:57 AM

Neither.

Storm pay is currently as good as useless because nobody much supports/uses it. It seems likely to remain that way for some time too. Also far to difficult to get money into the account from the little I've read.

Epassporte is no use for me until they get a sensible signup process in place. Certaily seems to have better features though if a tad expensive in places.

It'll probably be epassporte if/when I can actually join it but at this moment in time...

JamesK · 05-18-2003, 04:02 AM

epassporte is good but a few big processors decline the cc, that's a bit shitty.

Danielle · 05-18-2003, 08:57 PM

So far it looks about 50/50.

Hugs,
Danielle

fnet · 05-18-2003, 08:58 PM

everything sucks.

PostWhore · 05-18-2003, 09:01 PM

SEE SIG!!
and make no mistakes

KRL · 05-18-2003, 09:04 PM

Everyone's circumstances are different.

You can easily fund StormPay by the way. And its growing at a faster rate than PayPal did when it started.

The StormPay user base is already in 6 figures. I don't know what ePassporte's is because no one has responded on that number.

buzzard · 05-18-2003, 09:05 PM

alan-l · 05-18-2003, 09:08 PM

In today's global markets, any solution not covering each and every country in the world means trouble. So my vote goes for Stormpay, even over Paypal

alan-l · 05-18-2003, 09:10 PM

however, epassporte is a good idea, once they fix all the troubles they have outside US

pnor · 05-18-2003, 09:13 PM

13-7 til now... I predict a shitload or epassport "supporters" coming by storm

Kimmykim · 05-18-2003, 09:14 PM

My only comments are these.
1. ePassporte is NOT a multi level marketing plan. Something that Visa frowns on.
2. Visa plays an enormous role in the dev and growth of ePassporte. One of the consultants on staff spent more than 15 years working with Visa if I recall correctly (if not I am close), and Visa Int'l actually oversees the deposits on ePassporte so there's no danger of acquiring or issuing closing us down since we've already cleared the rules before we do things.
3. No, eP isn't perfect, of course it's only been around since January. Nearly all the major sponsors have contracts in the works to pay affiliates with eP, and I'm not aware of any that do it with the other one...
4. Last but not least, eP is run by people with a more than intimate knowledge of fraud control in the adult marketplace, which means that there won't be any surprises like suspension of adult transactions like Paypal and Yahoo have done recently.

Brad Mitchell · 05-18-2003, 09:17 PM

Go KK!

pnor · 05-18-2003, 09:17 PM

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Originally posted by alan-l
In today's global markets, any solution not covering each and every country in the world means trouble. So my vote goes for Stormpay, even over Paypal

right now, that's the main eP drawnback

BJ · 05-18-2003, 09:18 PM

doesnt matter its all going down soon enough

KRL · 05-18-2003, 09:21 PM

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Originally posted by PureMeds
doesnt matter its all going down soon enough

VISA / MASTERCARD AGREE TO END ALL PROCESSING FOR ONLINE PORNOGRAPHY!

Ouch that is a seriously scary thought.

BJ · 05-18-2003, 09:27 PM

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Originally posted by KRL

VISA / MASTERCARD AGREE TO END ALL PROCESSING FOR ONLINE PORNOGRAPHY!

Ouch that is a seriously scary thought.

never said that...

Kimmykim · 05-18-2003, 09:29 PM

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Originally posted by SinEmpire
Go KK!

hey Brad, how's the baby

It's really simple, I'm not saying that eP is perfect, just that it's a more than viable option in the scheme of things

KRL · 05-18-2003, 09:31 PM

Try both. That solves this debate easy enough. Then see which ones your customers use the most.

Theo · 05-18-2003, 09:45 PM

Epassporte has been proved pretty useful to me so far. I have an account with stormpay as well, but I haven't used it yet.

Danielle · 05-18-2003, 10:16 PM

Seems that stormpay is taking the lead so far. 60/40

I guess the next step I need to do is compare the fees they charge. And the methods provided to take out cash.

Hugs,
Danielle

KRL · 05-18-2003, 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by Danielle
Seems that stormpay is taking the lead so far. 60/40

I guess the next step I need to do is compare the fees they charge. And the methods provided to take out cash.

Hugs,
Danielle

On StormPay you can take out funds by a check, transfer to the affiliated GlobalPay ATM card or wire transfer to a bank account.

You can deposit funds by 900 #, E-Gold, E-Bullion, an online check deposit from a bank account, NetPay, Via Kagi with MC or Visa, EvoCash, Money Order by Mail, and PrePaidATM.

Transaction processing is:

2.9% plus $0.39 USD per transaction

Withdraw Fees are:

Check from StormPay = $2.00
Check by mail: $2
Electronic Transfer (US Customers) $2
To Global Pay Card: $2

jact · 05-18-2003, 10:36 PM

Hmm, perhaps I should take another look at StormPay and see if it's a viable option. When one isn't enough, use em all....

Danielle · 05-19-2003, 12:16 AM

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Originally posted by KRL

On StormPay you can take out funds by a check, transfer to the affiliated GlobalPay ATM card or wire transfer to a bank account.

You can deposit funds by 900 #, E-Gold, E-Bullion, an online check deposit from a bank account, NetPay, Via Kagi with MC or Visa, EvoCash, Money Order by Mail, and PrePaidATM.

Transaction processing is:

2.9% plus $0.39 USD per transaction

Withdraw Fees are:

Check from StormPay = $2.00
Check by mail: $2
Electronic Transfer (US Customers) $2
To Global Pay Card: $2

Stormpay is starting to look better and better all the time. The fees seem very reasonable.

Looks like there global ATM card is free if I am reading it correct on there site.

Hugs,
Danielle

Bobby Fissure · 05-19-2003, 12:22 AM

Neteller

SGS · 05-19-2003, 01:28 AM

Tried to get an Epasporte account back at the beginning but the site kept locking up and never got a response to the numerous emails I sent.

psyko514 · 05-19-2003, 01:49 AM

Why not use both?

jovigirl · 05-19-2003, 03:27 AM

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Originally posted by Danielle

Stormpay is starting to look better and better all the time. The fees seem very reasonable.

Looks like there global ATM card is free if I am reading it correct on there site.

Hugs,
Danielle

Global ATM is 39'50$
and they don't do wire transfers out of the US
https://www.stormpay.com/globalcard/

Any other options?
What about Yambo.biz?

okdesign · 05-19-2003, 04:20 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Andersen
Epassporte is good stuff

I agree

nevermind · 05-19-2003, 06:43 AM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
Last but not least, eP is run by people with a more than intimate knowledge of fraud control in the adult marketplace, which means that there won't be any surprises like suspension of adult transactions like Paypal and Yahoo have done recently.

Yeah Kimmy. Really great job. Your Epoch associates, who also operate Epassporte, have done such a great job that their clients may lose Mastercard processing all together.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...4&pagenumber=5

Shall I go through it all again? Or, are you going to save yourselves the embarassment this time?

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Jakke PNG · 05-19-2003, 06:52 AM

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Originally posted by jovigirl

Any other options?
What about Yambo.biz?

So far I've used epassporte which rocks. Yambo also looks damn good. I have an account with them with a bit of cash.

DjSap · 05-19-2003, 07:40 AM

Well Stormpays site looks like it has been designed by a 12 year old. If I would be a surfer I would think it was a scam.

KRL · 05-19-2003, 07:57 AM

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Originally posted by DjSap
Well Stormpays site looks like it has been designed by a 12 year old. If I would be a surfer I would think it was a scam.

For the record, so does Google's page.

nevermind · 05-19-2003, 07:57 AM

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Originally posted by DjSap
Well Stormpays site looks like it has been designed by a 12 year old. If I would be a surfer I would think it was a scam.

I have to agree. I don't like the fact that they're located in the West Indies either.

Quite frankly, there aren't many credible options with either company.

KRL · 05-19-2003, 08:00 AM

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Originally posted by nevermind

I have to agree. I don't like the fact that they're located in the West Indies either.

Quite frankly, there aren't many credible options with either company.

Do you have any idea how many companies are based offshore these days?

No one's located on these islands. Its just where the corps. are registered for legal and taxation purposes.

You think porn guys are going to be living on some little island in the caribbean thats 5 sq. miles?

Jakke PNG · 05-19-2003, 08:00 AM

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Originally posted by KRL

For the record, so does Google's page.

No. They have colors set right, it looks pretty high-quality yet simple.

nevermind · 05-19-2003, 08:06 AM

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Originally posted by KRL

Do you have any idea how many companies are based offshore these days?

No one's located on these islands. Its just where the corps. are registered for legal and taxation purposes.

You think porn guys are going to be living on some little island in the caribbean thats 5 sq. miles?

Of course not.

I totally understand why they are located overseas. It's for their protection --- but not necessarily for the webmasters.

I just prefer U.S. companies. There's more regulation here. And, if they screw me, I have more avenues --- legal and what not --- for MY protection.

DjSap · 05-19-2003, 08:06 AM

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Originally posted by KRL

For the record, so does Google's page.

For the record, google doesn't want me to deposit cash.

jact · 05-19-2003, 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by nevermind

Of course not.

I totally understand why they are located overseas. It's for their protection --- but not necessarily for the webmasters.

I just prefer U.S. companies. There's more regulation here. And, if they screw me, I have more avenues --- legal and what not --- for MY protection.

And it's that same regulation that's driven them for the most part offshore.

max.yambo · 05-19-2003, 08:08 AM

If I had to choose between ePassport and StormPay, I would go with ePassporte definitely.

MikeEP · 05-19-2003, 08:11 AM

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Originally posted by nevermind

I have to agree. I don't like the fact that they're located in the West Indies either.

Quite frankly, there aren't many credible options with either company.

I agree...though i really don't care where a company is located as long as i know who the people behind the company. Might not be the best choice either, but hell...got to throw caution to the wind sometime or another.

I have no idea who runs either program. I thought Epoch owned epassporte, but as explained in another thread, i believe they just have some invested interest. Please correct me if i'm wrong.

And if not wrong, who runs Epassporte?

max.yambo · 05-19-2003, 08:19 AM

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No one's located on these islands. Its just where the corps. are registered for legal and taxation purposes.

if you were located in an offshore jurisdiction and at the same time had a company incorporated there - that wouldn't be called offshore company anymore

tony286 · 05-19-2003, 09:41 AM

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Originally posted by MikeEP

I agree...though i really don't care where a company is located as long as i know who the people behind the company. Might not be the best choice either, but hell...got to throw caution to the wind sometime or another.

I have no idea who runs either program. I thought Epoch owned epassporte, but as explained in another thread, i believe they just have some invested interest. Please correct me if i'm wrong.

And if not wrong, who runs Epassporte?

One of the people that represents epassporte here said some of the owners of epoch may also be owners of epassporte, she doesnt know for sure. A little vague dont cha think?

Paul Markham · 05-19-2003, 10:30 AM

We are looking to go with ePassporte, but to date we've had three buyers opt for them and not pay, the form was too complicated. Then one who did buy, but he is already registered with them.

But I think ePassporte is only for B2B today, it may change in the future.

Kimmykim · 05-19-2003, 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by nevermind
Yeah Kimmy. Really great job. Your Epoch associates, who also operate Epassporte, have done such a great job that their clients may lose Mastercard processing all together.

Oh wow, look, confusion rears its ugly head again. Wouldn't you feel like even more of an idiot if you realized that every IPSP is now looking at ways to join in the suit against Visa? And that several of the people who still run their own merchant accounts or ran them recently are also looking to get into the mix on that?

Your presumptions are on about the level of a 4th grade comprehension, so by all means continue to post your witty little bonmots, apparently the best way for you to come by them is to appropriate them, as you've done with my tag line. So charmingly original...

And further for the record, ePassporte is not a high risk transaction base, and is completely unassociated with Epoch's lawsuit against Mastercard.

As to the ownership issue, it's been answered multiple times as well, so I'm not going over it again. There is no confusion, and no thinking about anything... eP is a Curacao company, for obvious reasons to most people that think about the possibilities for the system.

MikeEP -- the bottom line with ePassporte is this -- if you have a problem, you know where to go to get immediate service and resolution of that problem. If an email doesn't get a response fast enough for you, there is always this board or any other in the business to voice your concerns and get a resolution

tony286 · 05-19-2003, 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

As to the ownership issue, it's been answered multiple times as well, so I'm not going over it again. There is no confusion, and no thinking about anything... eP is a Curacao company, for obvious reasons to most people that think about the possibilities for the system.

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Here I will quote it in your words, so you dont have to go over it again. You said this on this board on 4/24 "Some of the staff is the same for both, certainly not all of it, and the investors may or may not be the same people that own Epoch, since I am not privy to, nor did I ask to be informed, of who held what percentages of ownership in either company." You're a smart business woman doesnt it bother you, that you dont know who owns the company you work or consult for?

nevermind · 05-19-2003, 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by jact

And it's that same regulation that's driven them for the most part offshore.

I agree. But that same regulation also protects webmasters, at least to some degree.

If you were one of the PayPal merchants who lost a lot of money, you could at least sue them in the U.S. (and, that's already being done.)

And bank regulators did get on their case when both consumers and webmasters filed complaints against PayPal.

But I doubt there's many remedies available with these offshore entities.

I'd rather have some regulation than little or none, but that's just my personal preference.

nevermind · 05-19-2003, 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by tony404

Here I will quote it in your words, so you dont have to go over it again. You said this on this board on 4/24 "Some of the staff is the same for both, certainly not all of it, and the investors may or may not be the same people that own Epoch, since I am not privy to, nor did I ask to be informed, of who held what percentages of ownership in either company." You're a smart business woman doesnt it bother you, that you dont know who owns the company you work or consult for?

As always, you raise an excellent point Tony404. All we do know for sure is that the Epoch people have relentlessly promoted Epassporte on this board.

Despite the obvious confusion this would cause, they go out of their way to say it's a seperate company. But, at the same time, specific questions about Epassporte ownership, management and the like remain unanswered.

Kimmykim · 05-19-2003, 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by tony404

Here I will quote it in your words, so you dont have to go over it again. You said this on this board on 4/24 "Some of the staff is the same for both, certainly not all of it, and the investors may or may not be the same people that own Epoch, since I am not privy to, nor did I ask to be informed, of who held what percentages of ownership in either company." You're a smart business woman doesnt it bother you, that you dont know who owns the company you work or consult for?

I know who to talk to in the company that I consult for if I need anything, and depending on what I need or want to do, I consult with different people. The actual ownership on a piece of paper neither concerns nor bothers me, since my wires are always on time (early if my wire date falls on a weekend), any concerns I have with my personal or business ePassporte accounts are addressed in a timely manner, and suggestions that I make are discussed and implemented if they make sense from a legal and monetary standpoint.

I don't make it my business to know how other sponsorship programs are set up or how their ownership looks on paper or the distribution of ownership percentages either -- I simply expect that the reputable ones will pay as they are supposed to, and if they don't, I call or email and ask why.

At the end of the day it's not my business as to the details of any company, be it ePassporte, CCBill, CEN, CE, RJB, ARS, or any other company that I don't own.

bryany · 05-19-2003, 03:01 PM

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05-18-2003, 03:37 AM	#1
Danielle Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: My Coffin Posts: 1,227	Stormpay or epassport? Who do you prefer as a Paypal alternative? Hugs, Danielle

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KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	Everyone's circumstances are different. You can easily fund StormPay by the way. And its growing at a faster rate than PayPal did when it started. The StormPay user base is already in 6 figures. I don't know what ePassporte's is because no one has responded on that number. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

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05-18-2003, 03:57 AM	#2
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	Neither. Storm pay is currently as good as useless because nobody much supports/uses it. It seems likely to remain that way for some time too. Also far to difficult to get money into the account from the little I've read. Epassporte is no use for me until they get a sensible signup process in place. Certaily seems to have better features though if a tad expensive in places. It'll probably be epassporte if/when I can actually join it but at this moment in time...

05-18-2003, 08:57 PM	#4
Danielle Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: My Coffin Posts: 1,227	So far it looks about 50/50. Hugs, Danielle

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alan-l Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: look behind you Posts: 2,477	In today's global markets, any solution not covering each and every country in the world means trouble. So my vote goes for Stormpay, even over Paypal

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alan-l Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: look behind you Posts: 2,477	however, epassporte is a good idea, once they fix all the troubles they have outside US

05-18-2003, 09:13 PM	#11
pnor Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 110	13-7 til now... I predict a shitload or epassport "supporters" coming by storm

05-18-2003, 09:14 PM	#12
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	My only comments are these. 1. ePassporte is NOT a multi level marketing plan. Something that Visa frowns on. 2. Visa plays an enormous role in the dev and growth of ePassporte. One of the consultants on staff spent more than 15 years working with Visa if I recall correctly (if not I am close), and Visa Int'l actually oversees the deposits on ePassporte so there's no danger of acquiring or issuing closing us down since we've already cleared the rules before we do things. 3. No, eP isn't perfect, of course it's only been around since January. Nearly all the major sponsors have contracts in the works to pay affiliates with eP, and I'm not aware of any that do it with the other one... 4. Last but not least, eP is run by people with a more than intimate knowledge of fraud control in the adult marketplace, which means that there won't be any surprises like suspension of adult transactions like Paypal and Yahoo have done recently.

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BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	doesnt matter its all going down soon enough

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05-18-2003, 09:45 PM	#20
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Epassporte has been proved pretty useful to me so far. I have an account with stormpay as well, but I haven't used it yet.

05-18-2003, 10:16 PM	#21
Danielle Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: My Coffin Posts: 1,227	Seems that stormpay is taking the lead so far. 60/40 I guess the next step I need to do is compare the fees they charge. And the methods provided to take out cash. Hugs, Danielle

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DjSap Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,869	Well Stormpays site looks like it has been designed by a 12 year old. If I would be a surfer I would think it was a scam.

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