50/50 partnerships are bullshit! I say the paysites get only 10%!!!

[TheFLY]

Ok you say you need 50% to produce content and cover your expenses? Fuck that. I say you only deserve 10% profit. I want 90%. 10% profit is better than no profit. You want that 10% profit -- then buy the traffic -- otherwise piss off and keep looking for suckers to fall for your 50/50 plan.

10% is enough. You can pay your bandwidth and credit card processing fees, then make money off exits, upsells, spamming, etc. As for content -- that's part of your startup expense -- not my problem.

All you people still giving your traffic away at 50% -- open your eyes! You are getting dicked over.

[boneprone]

did you forget to take your happy meds again?

you sound a bit bitter.

[boneprone]

the rev share thing is all one big scam.
thats why all the big $$ sites are paying per signup.

If you dont mind being shaved, do all per signup.

[gothweb]

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by boneprone
did you forget to take your happy meds again?

you sound a bit bitter.

I'm not bitter. This is just a realization.

It was you who told me that paysites only make %15 profits from affiliate sales! That means that paysites are making as much as 85% profits off your traffic -- EVEN MORE THAN 50%!!! It's not even 50/50 -- they take more like 85% and you get shafted with 15% for your traffic. I say to hell with that. Give them 10%.

10% profit is better than nothing. Take it or leave it.

The point is:

Traffic can be directed to the highest bidder!

So why are so many webmasters the bitches of affiliate programs? They are just dumb. Sell your traffic to the highest bidder! There are plenty of buyers! Everyone wants money!

Traffic=Money

[pr0]

Revshare was never a scam, it was the perfect setup for the lazy man

[playa]

yea i have to agree on that one,
so far my 80% reveshare is doing pretty good

[TheFLY]

You think it's 50/50? Bullshit. They take 50% profits -- then they make money off exits, email collectors, upsells, webmaster spam, etc... They even subscribe my name to junk mail lists! You aren't getting 50%! You are getting shit.

Sell your traffic to the higest bidder -- that's all I have to say.

[gothweb]

[Honeyslut]

I hope you are talking about the players and not the little GUYS.

[playa]

to tell you the truth
50/50 really means 40% for the webmaster since some of the fees are absorbed on the affiliatate

not to mention the paysite owner also has the valuable email submission,,

plus have you guys seen some of the major per sign up sponsers sign up form? most of the time the surfer puts his name and email prior to the credit card page,, another plus

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by playa
yea i have to agree on that one,
so far my 80% reveshare is doing pretty good

Yeah man -- I remember the 100% program offered by Casting Couch back in the day... But to hell with affiliate programs -- I say sell all your traffic per click to the highest bidder -- you will find plenty of buyers on webmaster message boards. Everybody and their mom has a paysite! They all want traffic! 10% 20% 30% -- it's all the same! Profit they wouldn't have otherwise.

You sell high -- buy low. Why the hell aren't webmasters selling high!

[boneprone]

find me some highest bidders bro.
In with ya. Hook me up.

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by playa
to tell you the truth
50/50 really means 40% for the webmaster since some of the fees are absorbed on the affiliatate

not to mention the paysite owner also has the valuable email submission,,

plus have you guys seen some of the major per sign up sponsers sign up form? most of the time the surfer puts his name and email prior to the credit card page,, another plus

Yeah dude -- playa knows what the fuck he's talking about. Look at every paysite you send traffic to -- many times they got links to other paysites, programs, email collectors... they are making money even if you don't produce a sale! On top of that -- shit -- they gain SEARCH ENGINE popularity at your expense!

[Rictor]

So when are you setting up the 90/10 webmaster affiliate program and where can I sign up?

But then it doesn't matter if it's 100/0 if the site converts at 1:10000000000000.

[playa]

if anyone can bring me 10 sales a day then i'll set them up with
a 90% reveshare,, including console free tours,,
i can still make some money out of it

simple right?

[gothweb]

I am always a little disgusted by any situation where a middleman pays more than someone who makes something. Where would the adult internet be without paysite and new content? Seriously.

You can go to the highest bidder. Eventually, your traffic will get sick of getting sent to shitty sites, and stop visiting your sites. Who cares what the payout per signup is? Why not make more money on a more reasonable percentage that actually *converts*?

[Krome]

I do not use exits, I do not upsale, I do not sell email lists...I am also broke!!

[gothweb]

Originally posted by Krome
I do not use exits, I do not upsale, I do not sell email lists...I am also broke!!

That makes two of us. I get like $30 a month in upsale. My sites are there to sell my sites.

[TheFLY]

When other webmasters see a 50/50 program banner on your site -- that's free advertising too that you aren't getting paid for.

You send traffic from two to six weeks to wait for a check? What the hell kind of justice is that? Why wait all that time? Get paid up front.

If you don't have too much traffic -- maybe consider selling to a broker -- or start a traffic pool with your friends and start brokering yourself! In bulk you get the most $ per click... Why waste time sending 500 clicks here and 500 clicks there only to get no conversions??? Get paid for EVERY CLICK!

Every click you send to a sponsor is a wasted click that should make you $. When your "sponsor" uses an exit -- that takes even more traffic away from your sites... Why do you think TheHun doesn't allow advertising that uses exit consoles. He doesn't want to lose business.

These are just facts. My prediction is that we will see more traffic brokers buying traffic at good price$ and fewer suckers selling to affiliate programs.

[BVF]

I'm paying 50% . If they don't like it, FUCK EM! It's more efficient to buy traffic anyway, rather than kiss ass to get an affiliate.

I don't see anything wrong with selling traffic though. If you can get somebody to pay your price, I am all for it.

Personally, I think the future for the survivors of this shakeup will be a dedicated budget to buying traffic. People who rely solely on tgp postings and link trades and the ever so hard to get affiliate will shrivel up and die.

[gothweb]

The internet is built on the idea that you click to choose where you want to go. Selling traffic means non-targetted, usually blind traffic. Not exactly the kind of stuff I want to base my business on.

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by Rictor
So when are you setting up the 90/10 webmaster affiliate program and where can I sign up?

Forget revshare -- sell per click. There are more buyers than sellers -- there are hundreds of paysites that don't even have the resources to push an affiliate program...

But then it doesn't matter if it's 100/0 if the site converts at 1:10000000000000.

Yeah dude -- that's the point. If a paysite can't convert the traffic -- that's not your problem. You have traffic -- it's worth $$$ with or without the paysite. So why gamble it away on a revshare program?

And forget per-signup -- we all know that's a bunch of shit... I won't even argue this point -- it's been said here a hundred times aready.

[playa]

also don't forget the name branding,,

if you got a good domain name then surfers can remember it and tell their friends

[gothweb]

1. Per signup does indeed suck, for all sorts of reasons we don't need to go into here.

2. Per click traffic is pretty shitty traffic. So it won't be valuable to most webmasters.

So, that leaves...

3. Partnership.

[Amputate Your Head]

FLY has gone mad....

[playa]

Originally posted by gothweb


2. Per click traffic is pretty shitty traffic. So it won't be valuable to most webmasters.
.

i think you speaking in terms of blind link traffic

targeted specific text links do work well

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by gothweb
The internet is built on the idea that you click to choose where you want to go. Selling traffic means non-targetted, usually blind traffic. Not exactly the kind of stuff I want to base my business on.

It doesn't have to be that way! This is the internet -- it can be dynamic. A very simple example would be hotlinked banners w/ cgi-redirection.

[gothweb]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
FLY has gone mad....

Or, maybe not... After all, he's doing a better job of selling partnership programs than I ever could, just by doing such a bad job of knocking them. ;)

[gothweb]

Originally posted by TheFLY


It doesn't have to be that way! This is the internet -- it can be dynamic. A very simple example would be hotlinked banners w/ cgi-redirection.

Yeah, but... how much would you sell that for, per click?

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by gothweb
1. Per signup does indeed suck, for all sorts of reasons we don't need to go into here.

2. Per click traffic is pretty shitty traffic. So it won't be valuable to most webmasters.

So, that leaves...

3. Partnership.

You think that "per click traffic" is shit -- but it's EXACTLY THE SAME traffic... Traffic is traffic if you sell it per click or not. If you have a broker now -- he could determine the value of the traffic ahead of time using key indicators and a filtration system... I'm pretty sure Choker does this already... it's not rocket science.

Once the traffic buyer has established (via a test -- paid or unpaid) the value of the traffic -- he/she can buy in bulk... Like Steve said in another thread -- the traffic broker wants repeat business... It's in his best interest to produce sales for you (if he determines your site to be capable of making $$$ -- which is usually pretty obvious) -- so you come back to buy more.

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by gothweb


Yeah, but... how much would you sell that for, per click?

As high of a price as you can. As long as you have buyers -- just keep raising the price of the traffic. This is what pichunter does on his site -- "due to market demand, the price per click is now $x.xx"

[Desirae]

Hi all, I think the good thing about a referal program from ccbill or ibill is that you know your not getting screwed. I did a thing one time where a guy was going to pay me 35.00 per join. I knew that exit pop got anywhere from 500-800 hits per day on average. With him for some reason I was only getting him 5-16 hits per day on average. Kind of weird huh?

I personally pay out 60%, but I convert crazy high. If you can find a site that converts crazy high and is willing to pay out 90% and you know all is fair, go for it! that would be pretty amazing

Desirae Spencer =)~~~~~~~~

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by TheFLY
Once the traffic buyer has established (via a test -- paid or unpaid) the value of the traffic -- he/she can buy in bulk... Like Steve said in another thread -- the traffic broker wants repeat business... It's in his best interest to produce sales for you (if he determines your site to be capable of making $$$ -- which is usually pretty obvious) -- so you come back to buy more.

But if you wanted to be a greedy bitch -- just sell the traffic to whoever will buy it -- at the highest price possible. If the paysite profits or not -- who gives a shit. As long as you still have buyers, the traffic still has value. When all is said and done -- the paysite will be happy to see that 10% profit for just a little bit of effort.

Profit = MONEY!

If you join a 50/50 program you are just throwing money away!

[Theo]

TheFly is very right,,i understand the 50/50 in cases like bangbus where the production cost is high,it's exclusive content etc,but what about the rest paysites? Some of them grab 50 sets of pics and 5 hours of movies and a plugin and they consider it a paysite....

[Catalinas]

Originally posted by gothweb
1. Per signup does indeed suck, for all sorts of reasons we don't need to go into here.

2. Per click traffic is pretty shitty traffic. So it won't be valuable to most webmasters.

So, that leaves...

3. Partnership.

I don't agree at all... there are only 2 partnership programs that have made it worth my while. When sites are only converting 25 percent of their trials and then retaining less than half of those.... partnerships are last on my list to push.

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by Desirae
Hi all, I think the good thing about a referal program from ccbill or ibill is that you know your not getting screwed. I did a thing one time where a guy was going to pay me 35.00 per join. I knew that exit pop got anywhere from 500-800 hits per day on average. With him for some reason I was only getting him 5-16 hits per day on average. Kind of weird huh?

I personally pay out 60%, but I convert crazy high. If you can find a site that converts crazy high and is willing to pay out 90% and you know all is fair, go for it! that would be pretty amazing

Desirae Spencer =)~~~~~~~~

If someone offered you $1000/month, would you turn it down? No. That's why you would accept 10% of $10,000 worth of traffic. It's that simple.

You are right though -- only the best converting sites will be able to afford to buy traffic at these high prices. The only reason you have webmasters selling to you at such a loss now -- is because they are ignorant. That's why I'm here ;)

[nocostporn]

simple solution if you go by Pete's logic..HEY GUYS?! HOW ABOUT STARTING YOUR OOOWN SITE? why wouldnt you? because you wouldnt make a dime!..you greedy fucks be happy with 50/50...Even if you send a minimal amount of joins you can usually just ask for a higher % ... The guy with the site/product is always supposed to be the rich one,never forget that

I guess my local dealership should make more on a car they sell than Ford does huh?

[Desirae]

lol, you think bangbus is the only one with costs? lol I have a streaming cam that is 15 frames per sec in my bedroom with sound and chat that runs live 24hrs a day. you think that is cheap? i have over 100 full length movies of me. 4k pics, that are exculsive of me. bang bus isnt the only one with costs boys.

i just cant do 90%, i would lose money.

Desirae Spencer =)~~~~~~

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by nocostporn
I guess my local dealership should make more on a car they sell than Ford does huh?

If I can determine how many people drive past your dealership -- YES.

Besides we aren't selling Fords. This is not socialism. On the internet there's something called competition. There's lots of great little paysites out there that are converting like mad that nobody even knows about.

[Desirae]

there ya go, after a good relationship wtih someone and they are getting me a good amount of joins i would be more than willing to up them a good 10-15%

Desirae Spencer =)~~~~~

[quiet]

just open your own paysite. nothing to it.

[Catalinas]

Des, do you have a tour with no leaks and no trial? I would try out your site ; )

[nocostporn]

Originally posted by quiet
just open your own paysite. nothing to it.

LOL! exactly,if you think your traffic is that valuable and can easily make profit at 90%,why not take 100%?? start your own site,send your own traffic...come back in 6 months and I'll buy your shitty,unsuccesful site from you

I agree,maybe 50/50 isnt enough,but 90/10? come on now...

[nocostporn]

oh yeah,somebody is going to come in with their "bottomline" theory so get your defense ready for that one Pete lol

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by Desirae
there ya go, after a good relationship wtih someone and they are getting me a good amount of joins i would be more than willing to up them a good 10-15%

Desirae Spencer =)~~~~~

See guys -- there's 10-15% to be made all over the damn place -- and this is only one site.

[MarkTiarra]

Who gives a fuck what percentage they give or keep? All that should matter to you as the person sending traffic is how big your check is every month. One site says they pay 90% but you make $1000 per month with them and another gives you 50% but you make $1250 per month... who you gonna choose?

Plus, who retains traffic better? If you're getting paid on rebills you want a site that has enough money to get content to keep members so you make more money as the months pile up. Just selling to the "highest bidder" is a great way to ensure you stay a small timer.

Anyone with half a clue how to builld a spreadsheet can see where each sponsor is going for them and project what it would do over 12 or 24 months. Try a bunch then compare projections. Simple as that.

[BV]

Originally posted by TheFLY
On top of that -- shit -- they gain SEARCH ENGINE popularity at your expense!

what the fuck you smokin Flyman??

also note some 50/50 programs like www.bikinivoyeur.com/cctour pay the processor fees out our 50%! thus leaving us with around 35%! Still we then have to deduct all our expenses on top of that! Fuck Man I'm lucky to end up with 5% much less the 10% you want to leave me with.

The simple fact is that the man with the traffic makes the most on a 50/50 partnership sale. It's a fuckin good deal.












Cheers!
BV

[Desirae]

hi catalinas, i can make one for you so nothing leaks out. icq me at #166568198 =)~

Desirae Spencer =)~~~~~

[buster]

Originally posted by TheFLY


If I can determine how many people drive past your dealership -- YES.

Besides we aren't selling Fords. This is not socialism. On the internet there's something called competition. There's lots of great little paysites out there that are converting like mad that nobody even knows about.

Ya but for those smaller sites it hard to play the "buy per click game" becuase webmasters wanna sell big chunks when smaller sites need to take smaller risk.. i dont mind wasting 500 to 750 tring someones traffic but most people want to sell 2500 to 3500 chunks and for small sites that sucks.

Fly man you got a wild mind man and i admire you. You are correct there can be great money in seling traffic per click. But there are also webmasters who make a great living with partner programs and only send a few hundred hits a day.