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deliriumtremens · 05-17-2003, 06:53 PM

Imagine two squirrels. If squirrel A has managed to store all nuts for the winter, then squirrel B would die and the upcoming generation of squirrels (the descendants of squirrel A) would be better in storing nuts for the winter. So if squirrel A, instead of storing all nuts for the winter, gave half of his nuts to squirrel B, then squirrel B wouldn't die, but the upcoming generation of squirrels (the descendants of A and B) would not be better in storing nuts for the winter. If we help the poor people, there is no evolution. Is there any logic in helping the poor people?

Sly_RJ · 05-17-2003, 06:56 PM

Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for life.

KRL · 05-17-2003, 06:56 PM

I never knew squirrels had balls. Did you?

Libertine · 05-17-2003, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by deliriumtremens
Imagine two squirrels. If squirrel A has managed to store all nuts for the winter, then squirrel B would die and the upcoming generation of squirrels (the descendants of squirrel A) would be better in storing nuts for the winter. So if squirrel A, instead of storing all nuts for the winter, gave half of his nuts to squirrel B, then squirrel B wouldn't die, but the upcoming generation of squirrels (the descendants of A and B) would not be better in storing nuts for the winter. If we help the poor people, there is no evolution. Is there any logic in helping the poor people?

Simpleton.

deliriumtremens · 05-17-2003, 07:10 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld

Simpleton.

Why, punkworld?

rooster · 05-17-2003, 07:14 PM

to a point your right on.

In the usa for example the wrong people are having all the kids. In years past the middle class had a lot of the kids and did a decent job raising them. Now both parents work and these families just arent having as many kids. But some poor welfare bitch is popping out 10 kids by ten different fathers, giving them a shit upbringing, and they grow up to be worthless themself and start the cycle all over again.

Mr.Fiction · 05-17-2003, 07:19 PM

Dumb thread.

iroc409 · 05-17-2003, 07:22 PM

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BJ · 05-17-2003, 07:24 PM

We need poor people in order to produce wealth overall. If we don't have poor people who HAVE TO work, no one will work and nothing will be produced

Raider Mort · 05-17-2003, 07:26 PM

This is a no brainer.

Squirrel B is fucked !!!

Libertine · 05-17-2003, 07:29 PM

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Originally posted by deliriumtremens

Why, punkworld?

The mere fact that you do not see the flaws in that reasoning seems like a good indication to me...

Problems:
#1: Human life is not comparable to squirrels storing nuts. Very few squirrels, for instance, inherit large amounts of nuts from their parents, or nut-companies.
#2: Evolution is not about "making money" or "gathering nuts", it's about passing on genes. Now, one who is susceptible to certain kinds of diseases, will still have far less chances of doing just that in this day and age.
Aside from that, factors such as attractiveness and social skills also play a huge role in passing your genes on or not. The squirrel that gathers 10000000 nuts has less chance of passing on his genes than the squirrel that impregnates 10000000 lady squirrels. Evolutionary success does not necessarily imply financial success, not even when you refuse to help the poor.
#3: Why is it important that we breed a race of exquisit money-makers? What good does that do? Why not go for a race of strong, healthy, attractive people instead of cunning businessmen?
#4: Why would evolution be important in general? Apart from the fact that it will happen anyway, what does it matter? Do we want to win a prize for "best race on the planet" or something? Why shouldn't we place importance in, for instance, morals, instead of efficiency?

You should realize that evolution is not "good" or "bad", it's just adaptation to the environment. There is no "progress", just change. So, no matter what environment there is (e.g. a society that feeds the poor or lets them starve), evolution will occur.

Mr.Fiction · 05-17-2003, 07:32 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld

The mere fact that you do not see the flaws in that reasoning seems like a good indication to me...

Problems:
#1: Human life is not comparable to squirrels storing nuts. Very few squirrels, for instance, inherit large amounts of nuts from their parents, or nut-companies.
#2: Evolution is not about "making money" or "gathering nuts", it's about passing on genes. Now, one who is susceptible to certain kinds of diseases, will still have far less chances of doing just that in this day and age.
Aside from that, factors such as attractiveness and social skills also play a huge role in passing your genes on or not. The squirrel that gathers 10000000 nuts has less chance of passing on his genes than the squirrel that impregnates 10000000 lady squirrels. Evolutionary success does not necessarily imply financial success, not even when you refuse to help the poor.
#3: Why is it important that we breed a race of exquisit money-makers? What good does that do? Why not go for a race of strong, healthy, attractive people instead of cunning businessmen?
#4: Why would evolution be important in general? Apart from the fact that it will happen anyway, what does it matter? Do we want to win a prize for "best race on the planet" or something? Why shouldn't we place importance in, for instance, morals, instead of efficiency?

You should realize that evolution is not "good" or "bad", it's just adaptation to the environment. There is no "progress", just change. So, no matter what environment there is (e.g. a society that feeds the poor or lets them starve), evolution will occur.

Why do you even bother.

Libertine · 05-17-2003, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

Why do you even bother.

Apart from being extremely stupid, social darwinism can also be rather dangerous.

$tandaman · 05-18-2003, 08:42 AM

By helping poor people you are helping yourself.
In reality, you will be eliminating a lot of crime which happens mostly due to poverty, hunger and other mishaps which give people no other choice but to commit those crimes.

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Jakke PNG · 05-18-2003, 08:46 AM

US education system is fucked up. Poor people can't afford decent degrees, hence they stay poor unless they know sports.
It's sad. In finland education is free, but taxation is high.. I actually do prefer it this way.
Slightly besides the point, just thought I'd share.

genomega · 05-18-2003, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by $tandaman
By helping poor people you are helping yourself.
In reality, you will be eliminating a lot of crime which happens mostly due to poverty, hunger and other mishaps which give people no other choice but to commit those crimes.

How about poor people who cannot afford a decent death? Have you ever thought about those people? If you haven't here is a good link for you http://www.valehospice.org
This is ran by a friend completely non-profit, donate if you can!

Nonsense.

$tandaman · 05-18-2003, 09:40 AM

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Originally posted by genomega

Nonsense.

To you...

PowerCum · 05-18-2003, 10:49 AM

The problem are not poor or rich people, the problem are stupid people.
Why not just kill all the persons who have IQ test under 130? That would create evoluted smart people.... but wait...
Now we have to select all the people that are looking good (attractive ones).
So IQ 130 + attractive... but wait, they need to have nuts...
IQ 130 + attractive + lots of nuts.
So we got a small amount of people that should have the right to live and all other would be killed.
Unfortunately some of the non killed people would feel discriminated because they were not killed. So we will need to kill all the people (last person must suicide). This way we finish with the human race that extinguished itself because of stupidity evolution.

On the other hand, I LOVE STUPID PEOPLE. Stupid people are the ones that buy memberships on pay sites and make you some profit from a TGP with 200k free galleries. Stupid people do not know how to use a computer and use your dialers. Stupid people are the ones that buy without questionate.
Also stupid people use to come home after all day work and sit in front of the screen watching and buying porn.

You should fear smart people. The few smart people I know are freeloders or use to hack accounts into pay sites (Like a friend of mine that hacked 30 user accounts on a well known pay site 1 week ago because he got a spam from them and did not feel very good with that spam).

Now think a bit... what do you prefer? A stupid with nuts or a smart person with no nuts?
Ups... smart persons usually have the nuts they need.

theking · 05-18-2003, 11:24 AM

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Originally posted by TeenGodFather
US education system is fucked up. Poor people can't afford decent degrees, hence they stay poor unless they know sports.
It's sad. In finland education is free, but taxation is high.. I actually do prefer it this way.
Slightly besides the point, just thought I'd share.

Any poor person that has an average IQ and the will to do so can get a degree in the USA. There are many programs in place. There are scholarships...there are State and Federal grants (these do not have to be paid back)...there are federal student loans (these have to be paid back)...there are work study programs where you are paid for up to 20 hours per week. It is a fallacy that poor people cannot attend Universities in the USA.

The same fallacy applies to poor people not having medical care in the USA. In California for example every county has a designated county hospital where poor people can be treated and payments can be made based upon income. In addition...based upon income every poor person is eligible for a MediCal card. One can even have private insurance and still qualify for a MediCal card. If one qualifies for a MediCal card then based upon income there may be a co-pay, in example...if you became ill and were hospitalized and ran up a bill of lets say $13,000.00 and your particular co-pay (based upon your income) was lets say $780.00 you would be required to pay the first $780.00 and your MediCal card would pay the rest. If you are unemployed and without income there would not be any co-pay at all.

Jakke PNG · 05-18-2003, 11:27 AM

Oh. Nevermind then.

theking · 05-18-2003, 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by TeenGodFather
Oh. Nevermind then.

No problem. The lack of ability for the poor to be educated or recieve medical care in the USA is just not true but is a perpetuated fallacy by people that just are not aware of the system.

theking · 05-18-2003, 11:59 AM

As for the homeless in the USA...the majority of homeless are the mentally ill...drug addicts...alcoholics and those that just choose to be. For the most part they are unsalvageable human wrecks and many will not even take part in what programs are available to them (admittedly there needs to be an improvement upon what is available to them). Virtually every time some community enacts an ordinance that would force the homeless into the available programs that may help them overcome their problems, legal opponents will shoot it down saying that it violates their rights. So in protecting their rights they remain human wrecks.

theking · 05-18-2003, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by punkworld

Apart from being extremely stupid, social darwinism can also be rather dangerous.

Agreed.

Bobby Fissure · 05-18-2003, 04:04 PM

http://www.eugenics.net/

theking · 05-18-2003, 08:53 PM

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Originally posted by Bobby Fissure
http://www.eugenics.net/

Hmm...

lockecole · 05-08-2007, 08:00 PM

Does the frontpaged article at Digg...

kuro5hin.org/story/2007/5/4/16173/49595

...prove the point of deliriumtremens?

Webby · 05-08-2007, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Any poor person that has an average IQ and the will to do so can get a degree in the USA. There are many programs in place. There are scholarships...there are State and Federal grants (these do not have to be paid back)...there are federal student loans (these have to be paid back)...there are work study programs where you are paid for up to 20 hours per week. It is a fallacy that poor people cannot attend Universities in the USA.

So basically that's how ya turn a thread into patriotic bullshit

Of course there's a damned educational problem - it's massive. The living evidence of it is right here on GFY.

GAMEFINEST · 05-08-2007, 10:15 PM

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buck30 · 05-08-2007, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

As for the homeless in the USA...the majority of homeless are the mentally ill...drug addicts...alcoholics and those that just choose to be. For the most part they are unsalvageable human wrecks and many will not even take part in what programs are available to them (admittedly there needs to be an improvement upon what is available to them). Virtually every time some community enacts an ordinance that would force the homeless into the available programs that may help them overcome their problems, legal opponents will shoot it down saying that it violates their rights. So in protecting their rights they remain human wrecks.

The largest group of homeless people are now families. It used to be the mentally ill and drug addicts, but the rate amoung homeless families has grown. A lot of them are single mothers with children who leave abusive homes. There are not even shelters in this country to take them all in. It is really sad to see a homeless child. We have a couple of schools here just for homeless children. When I was at the school in Phoenix to drop off some Christmas presents I talked to the school secretary. She said they had 700 kids there and the school in Tempe at the time had 70. It has more now. As a country, we need to do more about mental illness, abuse, and services for the homeless.

J. Falcon · 05-09-2007, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by KRL

I never knew squirrels had balls. Did you?

rapmaster · 05-09-2007, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deliriumtremens

Imagine two squirrels. If squirrel A has managed to store all nuts for the winter, then squirrel B would die and the upcoming generation of squirrels (the descendants of squirrel A) would be better in storing nuts for the winter. So if squirrel A, instead of storing all nuts for the winter, gave half of his nuts to squirrel B, then squirrel B wouldn't die, but the upcoming generation of squirrels (the descendants of A and B) would not be better in storing nuts for the winter. If we help the poor people, there is no evolution. Is there any logic in helping the poor people?

applying evolutionary theory to social situations is a no-no. That's called social darwinism and it's generally regarded as BS.

I unfortunately had to take an evolutionary theory course for my bio degree last quarter.

Although a lot of the homeless do have psychological disorders, which could be inherited... however, how many homeless people mate anyway?

Pornwolf · 05-09-2007, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by $tandaman;

By helping poor people you are helping yourself.
In reality, you will be eliminating a lot of crime which happens mostly due to poverty, hunger and other mishaps which give people no other choice but to commit those crimes.

This is true. Or, you could move to a gated community in Jersey. I think most people in the tri-state choose option B.

Vlad · 05-09-2007, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Webby

So basically that's how ya turn a thread into patriotic bullshit

Of course there's a damned educational problem - it's massive. The living evidence of it is right here on GFY.

LMAO....

good one !

be careful , he might call you a "pigshit" ...

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Why do people bump nearly 4 year old threads?!?

This herd needs thinning...

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 05-09-2007, 02:05 AM

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jdc · 05-09-2007, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly_RJ

Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for life.

in short, education is what a man needs...

Angelo22 · 05-09-2007, 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly_RJ

Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for life.

But this may also be applied as:
Sell your product for cheap, and he'll buy... Teach him how to make it, and he'll never buy again (and might even steal your clients)

ADL Colin · 05-09-2007, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeenGodFather

US education system is fucked up. Poor people can't afford decent degrees, hence they stay poor unless they know sports.
It's sad. In finland education is free, but taxation is high.. I actually do prefer it this way.
Slightly besides the point, just thought I'd share.

TGF,

I grew up poor and have a decent degree. Pell grants, Perkins loans, Stafford loans. Good government programs IMO. Yeah, I borrowed the money but that is fine by me. It's not my education and I don't mind paying for it.

ADL Colin · 05-09-2007, 07:44 AM

Sorry .. didn't realize the thread was so old.

carol.prime · 05-09-2007, 10:05 AM

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PowerCum CjOverkill Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Woldwide Posts: 1,328	The problem are not poor or rich people, the problem are stupid people. Why not just kill all the persons who have IQ test under 130? That would create evoluted smart people.... but wait... Now we have to select all the people that are looking good (attractive ones). So IQ 130 + attractive... but wait, they need to have nuts... IQ 130 + attractive + lots of nuts. So we got a small amount of people that should have the right to live and all other would be killed. Unfortunately some of the non killed people would feel discriminated because they were not killed. So we will need to kill all the people (last person must suicide). This way we finish with the human race that extinguished itself because of stupidity evolution. On the other hand, I LOVE STUPID PEOPLE. Stupid people are the ones that buy memberships on pay sites and make you some profit from a TGP with 200k free galleries. Stupid people do not know how to use a computer and use your dialers. Stupid people are the ones that buy without questionate. Also stupid people use to come home after all day work and sit in front of the screen watching and buying porn. You should fear smart people. The few smart people I know are freeloders or use to hack accounts into pay sites (Like a friend of mine that hacked 30 user accounts on a well known pay site 1 week ago because he got a spam from them and did not feel very good with that spam). Now think a bit... what do you prefer? A stupid with nuts or a smart person with no nuts? Ups... smart persons usually have the nuts they need. __________________ CjOverkill Traffic Trading Script Free, secure and fast traffic trading script. Get your copy now

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deliriumtremens Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 206	helping the poor people Imagine two squirrels. If squirrel A has managed to store all nuts for the winter, then squirrel B would die and the upcoming generation of squirrels (the descendants of squirrel A) would be better in storing nuts for the winter. So if squirrel A, instead of storing all nuts for the winter, gave half of his nuts to squirrel B, then squirrel B wouldn't die, but the upcoming generation of squirrels (the descendants of A and B) would not be better in storing nuts for the winter. If we help the poor people, there is no evolution. Is there any logic in helping the poor people?

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rooster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,384	to a point your right on. In the usa for example the wrong people are having all the kids. In years past the middle class had a lot of the kids and did a decent job raising them. Now both parents work and these families just arent having as many kids. But some poor welfare bitch is popping out 10 kids by ten different fathers, giving them a shit upbringing, and they grow up to be worthless themself and start the cycle all over again.

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